Did Jesus Return in AD 70?

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Yes, the Gospel has gone out and apostles did their job, but it is still going out by the work God did through them. I wouldn't say that the work of the great commission is over, because the Gospel is still going out.
I agree that not everyone in the world knows about Jesus right now, but at that time they did - The "Great Commission" was completely fulfilled - The end of that age (not the end of the world) did happen - However I do believe that the "Temple" is still being built with the addition of each new Christian.
 

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The bible speaks of 3 comings of God.
1) a physical coming, manifestation of God. The 1st advent and the 2nd advent.
2) a spiritual coming, upon salvation. If anyone opens the door, I will come and dine with Him (Rev. 3:20)
3) a judgment coming, in which He comes to destroy a city or nation. Also know as the day of the Lord.

You seem to have a hard time grasping the 3rd, and many others. So I'm going to post some scriptures that give us an Idea of God coming. My question to you, Does God clearly say He is coming or will come? and did God actual make a visible appearance?

Isaiah 19:1
The Burden against Egypt.
Behold, the Lord rides on a swift cloud.
And will come into Egypt;...


Psalm 18:9
He bowed the heavens also and came down
With darkness under His feet.


Isaiah 34:5
"For My sword shall be bathed in heaved;
Indeed it shall come down on Edom,..."


Micah 1:1-2
The word of the Lord that came to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. 2. Hear, all you peoples! Listen, O earth, and all that is in it! Let the Lord God be a witness against you, The Lord from His holy temple. 3. For behold, the Lord is coming out of His place; He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.

Isaiah 26:21
For behold,the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;...

Revelation 2:16
"Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth..."
(regarding to the things of the Pergamos Church, false doctrine).

Those who interpret most of Matt. 24 as already past, as the destruction of Jerusalem, are simply recognizing the genre of prophesy of destruction, decreation language, and applying it here as well. We are simply interpreting the Bible with the bible!
My question involved 70AD...literally 70AD
 
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I agree that not everyone in the world knows about Jesus right now, but at that time they did - The "Great Commission" was completely fulfilled - The end of that age (not the end of the world) did happen - However I do believe that the "Temple" is still being built with the addition of each new Christian.
There were people in North and South America during AD 70. Did the Mayans receive the word of God during that time?
 
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There were people all over the world in 70 AD, they were not just located around the middle east. Go back and read about the tower of babel when God separated and put every tribe, nation, and tongue around the world.

I agree that not everyone in the world knows about Jesus right now, but at that time they did - The "Great Commission" was completely fulfilled - The end of that age (not the end of the world) did happen - However I do believe that the "Temple" is still being built with the addition of each new Christian.
 

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I agree that not everyone in the world knows about Jesus right now, but at that time they did - The "Great Commission" was completely fulfilled - The end of that age (not the end of the world) did happen - However I do believe that the "Temple" is still being built with the addition of each new Christian.
This is exactly what I am talking about, having to work hard to make it pan out, instead of hacking Bible Texts to death its now basic history!

Seriously, 231 million people knew about Jesus? I do not think so.
 

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My question involved 70AD...literally 70AD
Right, so why is hard to believe that Jesus came in Judgment against prostate Israel, and uses the same language that He used in past, as to regards of His coming?
 

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This is exactly what I am talking about, having to work hard to make it pan out, instead of hacking Bible Texts to death its now basic history!

Seriously, 231 million people knew about Jesus? I do not think so.
It is not "hard to make it pan out", you just won't except that the apostles taught everyone, just like Paul says that they did.
 

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There were people all over the world in 70 AD, they were not just located around the middle east. Go back and read about the tower of babel when God separated and put every tribe, nation, and tongue around the world.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” [SUP]35 [/SUP]Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. [SUP]36 [/SUP]As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” [SUP]37 [/SUP][And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] [SUP]38 [/SUP]And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. [SUP]39 [/SUP]When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. [SUP]40[/SUP]But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.


How did Philip get to Azotus? Don't you think that God can do this anytime that He wants? The apostles went everywhere that there were people, and everyone was taught. This does not mean that everyone accepted the teaching.
 

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There were people all over the world in 70 AD, they were not just located around the middle east. Go back and read about the tower of babel when God separated and put every tribe, nation, and tongue around the world.
I believe the Gospel went out and filled the Roman world, is what the Greek word "oikoumene" means.

Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world (oikoumene) as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (the end of Roman and Jewish persecution I think from context verse 9).

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οἰκουμένη
oikoumenē
oy-kou-men'-ay
Feminine participle present passive of G3611 (as noun, by implication of G1093); land, that is, the (terrene part of the) globe; specifically the Roman empire: - earth, world.
 

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There were people in North and South America during AD 70. Did the Mayans receive the word of God during that time?
Yes, I watched a documentary that said that the Mayan hieroglyphs told about men that taught them about God. This was not, if I recall correctly, even a Christian documentary.
 

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[SUP]34 [/SUP]The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” [SUP]35 [/SUP]Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. [SUP]36 [/SUP]As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch *said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” [SUP]37 [/SUP][And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] [SUP]38 [/SUP]And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. [SUP]39 [/SUP]When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. [SUP]40[/SUP]But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.


How did Philip get to Azotus? Don't you think that God can do this anytime that He wants? The apostles went everywhere that there were people, and everyone was taught. This does not mean that everyone accepted the teaching.
Don't you think we'd have someone's ancient writing from outside the Roman empire, if the disciples transfiguration took place? This is the only transfiguration account of the disciples and hardly anything substantial to build a doctrine off of, IMO. Interesting thought however.
 

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I believe the Gospel went out and filled the Roman world, is what the Greek word "oikoumene" means.

Matthew 24:14
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world (oikoumene) as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (the end of Roman and Jewish persecution I think from context verse 9).

G3625
οἰκουμένη
oikoumenē
oy-kou-men'-ay
Feminine participle present passive of G3611 (as noun, by implication of G1093); land, that is, the (terrene part of the) globe; specifically the Roman empire: - earth, world.
We don't preach the Gospel of the Kingdom.That was rescinded when the Jews rejected their King in Matt 12. It will once again be preached in the Tribulation after the Church is gone and many Jews will have received their King ; then there will be a worldwide spreading of the Kingdom message.
 

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Don't you think we'd have someone's ancient writing from outside the Roman empire, if the disciples transfiguration took place? This is the only transfiguration account of the disciples and hardly anything substantial to build a doctrine off of, IMO. Interesting thought however.
My point is that we cannot limit God's power when deciding whether or not is was possible for this to occur so quickly. Again, I believe that Paul said that it did. I also find it frustrating that the apostles asked when the end of the age would be and everyone interprets this as the end of the world. We see several examples of Jesus saying something and the apostles not understanding. I believe that is still very common among today's disciples.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the disciples came to the other side of the sea, but they had forgotten to bring any bread. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” [SUP]7 [/SUP]They began to discuss this among themselves, saying, “He said that because we did not bring any bread.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]But Jesus, aware of this, said, “You men of little faith, why do you discuss among yourselves that you have no bread? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Or the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets full you picked up? [SUP]11 [/SUP]How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

This is not the only example. We must read with a sincere desire to know what God is saying. Without preconceived ideas. I have changed many of my beliefs after much reading with the desire to know what the bible says.
 

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How did Philip get to Azotus? Don't you think that God can do this anytime that He wants? The apostles went everywhere that there were people, and everyone was taught. This does not mean that everyone accepted the teaching.
He walked it in a few days. He "Found himself" there as God made him walk there without Phillip knowing why. You do know where Azotus is right? names starting with AZ are not all in South America. The Apostles hardly made it out of the region, Christians were small in number. A couple may have made it to China, but certainly would not have been able to spread the word to all Chinese. then what about Australia, small populations scattered around tens of thousands of jungle, we still find the odd tribe living in the jungle we never knew off even today.

Here is map of Phillips journey, hardly the great march Eastwards is it.
CNM14-Philip.gif
 
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The kingdom's message is the same as the Gospel, which is Christ crucified for our sins, there is no other gospel. Once we come a child of God through faith in Christ we are transferred into His kingdom. Your kingdom citizenship starts the moment you were born-again.

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
 

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He walked it in a few days. He "Found himself" there as God made him walk View attachment 77753 there without Phillip knowing why. You do know where Azotus is right? names starting with AZ are not all in South America.
If you try to make me look dumb, does that make you feel better? When did I say that Azotus was in South America? And no, he did not walk to Azotus. God placed him there.
 

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My point is that we cannot limit God's power when deciding whether or not is was possible for this to occur so quickly. Again, I believe that Paul said that it did. I also find it frustrating that the apostles asked when the end of the age would be and everyone interprets this as the end of the world. We see several examples of Jesus saying something and the apostles not understanding. I believe that is still very common among today's disciples.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the disciples came to the other side of the sea, but they had forgotten to bring any bread. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And Jesus said to them, “Watch out and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” [SUP]7 [/SUP]They began to discuss this among themselves, saying, “He said that because we did not bring any bread.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]But Jesus, aware of this, said, “You men of little faith, why do you discuss among yourselves that you have no bread? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Do you not yet understand or remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets full you picked up? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Or the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many large baskets full you picked up? [SUP]11 [/SUP]How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread? But beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then they understood that He did not say to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

This is not the only example. We must read with a sincere desire to know what God is saying. Without preconceived ideas. I have changed many of my beliefs after much reading with the desire to know what the bible says.
We share the same frustration.
 

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If you try to make me look dumb, does that make you feel better? When did I say that Azotus was in South America? And no, he did not walk to Azotus. God placed him there.
Ok then have it your way, God teleported everyone around the world, that works to support your theories.
 

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The kingdom's message is the same as the Gospel, which is Christ crucified for our sins, there is no other gospel. Once we come a child of God through faith in Christ we are transferred into His kingdom. Your kingdom citizenship starts the moment you were born-again.

Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
John the Baptist and Jesus and His disciples preached the Kingdom message up until His rejection in Mt 12. After that you don't see it,
 

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Right, so why is hard to believe that Jesus came in Judgment against prostate Israel, and uses the same language that He used in past, as to regards of His coming?
70 AD was judgement with the same language as in the past but not the same occuring events as in His next (2nd Coming).
Otherwise His first coming has no meaning since he came in judgment a number of times againt Israel in the OT.