Should we follow Christ, or follow Christ’s Father or follow a triune God?

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I have been told that Christ rebelled against His Father like so many of our Teenagers do.That it isn’t a triune God, or God as One, but Christ is a new God.

People say He did away with all the old ways His Father said to behave and made brand new ones.His Father had a special people, and some of those people turned out to be just rotten, like the Pharisees, so the Father’s people were all to be shunned and even punished. Anything those people did, we are not to do.It wasn’t just the Pharisees, it was all the Jews that were chosen by Christ’s Dad.Besides, a lot of them rejected Christ, so people said they all had to be ignored.

His old fashioned Father told people to have special Holidays, with prophecies in them and celebrations of some of what the Father had done.Followers of Christ said those holidays had to be gotten rid of.The new holidays got rid of any idea of following His old fashioned Father.They still wanted holidays, so they changedthe ones they were used to so they would be about Christ.It didn’t take long for those new holidays to be thought of as the only right ones, their beginnings were forgotten completely.They soon became tradition, and tradition was taken as scripture.

His Father had made some legal contracts with the people.Christ made some, too.So the new contract Christ made was to wipe out any promise or contract the outdated Father made.The Father had a rainbow as part of one of these legal documents and they couldn’t get rid of that, but most people forgot about that.The rainbow itself is just too hard to dispose of.

There were letters they say explains the new way and how His Father had been all wrong and Christ was right.The Father helped write those letters, but the people said they proved the Father was an outdated fuddy duddy.

But, if you really study what Christ said and even what the letters say about Christ, He doesn’t sound at all like a rebellious Teen.He sounds like one with His Father and in complete unity with Him.One that truly obeyed His Father and did just what His Father had said He would do all along.His Father even prepared the world just for His Son.Actually, everything the Father did was about the Son and what the Son did for us.I don’t think Christ was a rebellious teen at all, but it is people who are rebellious and blame the Son.

God is a God of all mankind, but the bible explaining God is written by Hebrew people from a Hebrew culture, and mostly in a unique Hebrew language very difficult to translate.God counseled Hebrews to be sure that they would welcome anyone who wanted to join them, but for 4,000 years those who joined also joined the Hebrew race.

When Paul was put in charge of taking Christ to the gentiles, Paul was also charged with separating Jewish culture from God’s principles.On top of all this, Christ became the spirit and truth of these principles, taking away the symbols.When scripture says this is a change, we read it as cancelling old and replacing it with something entirely new when it is always based on the same basic thing, except now in spirit and truth.

The Christian Jews had a terrible time accepting that it did not require Jewish customs to be saved in Jesus.Gentiles are still having a terrible time learning exactly what Jesus changed and how.Blood remained, but Christ’s blood worked much better.The high priest remained the same, but Christ took his place and it was perfected.Many things were perfected, but always had a base in what was before.Scripture about the change is exact and complete, but it requires reading the Torah and believing it to understand the entire story.

The Jews in Jerusalem charged Paul.Acts 21:28They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, shouting, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everybody everywhere to despise our people, our Law and this place.It was decided to stone him to death. It is an interesting story, please read it, through Acts 26.

This is the final outcome:26:30-31 - Then the king rose to his feet and so did the governor and Bernice and those sitting with them, and when they had retired from the assembly they discussed the matter among themselves and agreed, "This man is doing nothing to deserve either death or imprisonment."

We need to come to the same conclusion.

What a mixed up mess people have made of this!In Acts it tells us that when Paul was trying to explain all of this, they thought, like many do today, that the teaching was against the Father’s principles.They even wanted to kill Paul by stoning for teaching against God the Father.He was freed of that charge, then, we should free him of that charge today.

Today, many believe that it is right to be against the Father’s principles and that is what Paul said to do.I don’t think that is what Paul is saying at all.Paul is saying to both Jew and gentile: Col_2:16Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.

Look at some of the mistakes missionaries made when they went to other cultures, like in the south seas.They were so determined to change the culture that often they forgot the scripture.Just as the Jews told Paul he was to teach gentiles to obey Jewish ways to be included in the church in the first century.

Paul preached the gospel, Paul preached the Lord, not the rituals that became cultural.We are to go to scripture, not our culture.God accepts people from all cultures.
 

p_rehbein

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A continuation of the Law/Sabbath Saturday justification?

please use a larger font............I simply can not read your posts in that size font (just asking, not criticizing)
 
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I have been told that Christ rebelled against His Father like so many of our Teenagers do.That it isn’t a triune God, or God as One, but Christ is a new God.

People say He did away with all the old ways His Father said to behave and made brand new ones.His Father had a special people, and some of those people turned out to be just rotten, like the Pharisees, so the Father’s people were all to be shunned and even punished. Anything those people did, we are not to do.It wasn’t just the Pharisees, it was all the Jews that were chosen by Christ’s Dad.Besides, a lot of them rejected Christ, so people said they all had to be ignored.

His old fashioned Father told people to have special Holidays, with prophecies in them and celebrations of some of what the Father had done.Followers of Christ said those holidays had to be gotten rid of.The new holidays got rid of any idea of following His old fashioned Father.They still wanted holidays, so they changedthe ones they were used to so they would be about Christ.It didn’t take long for those new holidays to be thought of as the only right ones, their beginnings were forgotten completely.They soon became tradition, and tradition was taken as scripture.

His Father had made some legal contracts with the people.Christ made some, too.So the new contract Christ made was to wipe out any promise or contract the outdated Father made.The Father had a rainbow as part of one of these legal documents and they couldn’t get rid of that, but most people forgot about that.The rainbow itself is just too hard to dispose of.

There were letters they say explains the new way and how His Father had been all wrong and Christ was right.The Father helped write those letters, but the people said they proved the Father was an outdated fuddy duddy.

But, if you really study what Christ said and even what the letters say about Christ, He doesn’t sound at all like a rebellious Teen.He sounds like one with His Father and in complete unity with Him.One that truly obeyed His Father and did just what His Father had said He would do all along.His Father even prepared the world just for His Son.Actually, everything the Father did was about the Son and what the Son did for us.I don’t think Christ was a rebellious teen at all, but it is people who are rebellious and blame the Son.

God is a God of all mankind, but the bible explaining God is written by Hebrew people from a Hebrew culture, and mostly in a unique Hebrew language very difficult to translate.God counseled Hebrews to be sure that they would welcome anyone who wanted to join them, but for 4,000 years those who joined also joined the Hebrew race.

When Paul was put in charge of taking Christ to the gentiles, Paul was also charged with separating Jewish culture from God’s principles.On top of all this, Christ became the spirit and truth of these principles, taking away the symbols.When scripture says this is a change, we read it as cancelling old and replacing it with something entirely new when it is always based on the same basic thing, except now in spirit and truth.

The Christian Jews had a terrible time accepting that it did not require Jewish customs to be saved in Jesus.Gentiles are still having a terrible time learning exactly what Jesus changed and how.Blood remained, but Christ’s blood worked much better.The high priest remained the same, but Christ took his place and it was perfected.Many things were perfected, but always had a base in what was before.Scripture about the change is exact and complete, but it requires reading the Torah and believing it to understand the entire story.

The Jews in Jerusalem charged Paul.Acts 21:28They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, shouting, "Men of Israel, help! This is the man who is teaching everybody everywhere to despise our people, our Law and this place.It was decided to stone him to death. It is an interesting story, please read it, through Acts 26.

This is the final outcome:26:30-31 - Then the king rose to his feet and so did the governor and Bernice and those sitting with them, and when they had retired from the assembly they discussed the matter among themselves and agreed, "This man is doing nothing to deserve either death or imprisonment."

We need to come to the same conclusion.

What a mixed up mess people have made of this!In Acts it tells us that when Paul was trying to explain all of this, they thought, like many do today, that the teaching was against the Father’s principles.They even wanted to kill Paul by stoning for teaching against God the Father.He was freed of that charge, then, we should free him of that charge today.

Today, many believe that it is right to be against the Father’s principles and that is what Paul said to do.I don’t think that is what Paul is saying at all.Paul is saying to both Jew and gentile: Col_2:16Therefore, don't let anyone judge you in regard to food and drink or in the matter of a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day.

Look at some of the mistakes missionaries made when they went to other cultures, like in the south seas.They were so determined to change the culture that often they forgot the scripture.Just as the Jews told Paul he was to teach gentiles to obey Jewish ways to be included in the church in the first century.

Paul preached the gospel, Paul preached the Lord, not the rituals that became cultural.We are to go to scripture, not our culture.God accepts people from all cultures.
I truly believe in God and scripture, and do want to report it accurately. "justification"!! Wow. I believe God created the seventh day, and what scripture says about that, is that justification? Or that we are to read all scripture, like scripture says, and this post says so. I believe in One God for all mankind, and this post says so. I am nothing, if what I say is wrong, so be it, correct me! God, though, is not wrong and neither is scripture.

If you can't read something, hold down the "control" key and push the wheel on the mouse forward, it will enlarge the print. Simple.
 
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Or go to the top of the screen, you will see a house, a star, and a wheel. Click on the wheel. You will see "zoom". It will make the print larger.
 

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[h=2]Should we follow Christ, or follow Christ’s Father or follow a triune God?[/h]
YES!!!
 

p_rehbein

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Or go to the top of the screen, you will see a house, a star, and a wheel. Click on the wheel. You will see "zoom". It will make the print larger.
Well, not for nothing, but isn't it in the Law that folks MUST WRITE in a script large enough for others to read?

:)
 

p_rehbein

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Red Tent...............I ALSO believe in ONE GOD.........in THREE PERSONS..........GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT............IN PERFECT HARMONY.......

Reading your statement.........it seems you are denying the Holy Trinity...............is this so? Do not want to misunderstand you.
 
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Red Tent...............I ALSO believe in ONE GOD.........in THREE PERSONS..........GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT............IN PERFECT HARMONY.......

Reading your statement.........it seems you are denying the Holy Trinity...............is this so? Do not want to misunderstand you.
Thanks!! If I was denying the Holy Spirit I should be called on it, for the Holy Spirit is part of God, it is our guide, it is truth! We need to watch each other for truth!
 

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Thanks!! If I was denying the Holy Spirit I should be called on it, for the Holy Spirit is part of God, it is our guide, it is truth! We need to watch each other for truth!
It? Don't you mean He?
Part of God? Don't you mean fully God as is the Father and Son?
 

p_rehbein

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Thanks!! If I was denying the Holy Spirit I should be called on it, for the Holy Spirit is part of God, it is our guide, it is truth! We need to watch each other for truth!
Honestly, I didn't think you were............but............. :)
 
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Thanks!! If I was denying the Holy Spirit I should be called on it, for the Holy Spirit is part of God, it is our guide, it is truth! We need to watch each other for truth!
the holy spirit is the spirit of God not a God

  • 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

[h=3]John 16:12-16[/h]King James Version (KJV)


[SUP]12 [/SUP]I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
 
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Way I see this question so far, and I am by no means perfect myself at all; is that really does this question even much matter?

Jesus is the Messiah in all undeniable ways, therefore Jesus is Son of God, so since the Son leads to the Father, just try to get better following the Son. The Son is Christ obviously and Christians are followers of Christ. So, in a fun way just the title Christian itself as a word answers the question of who was sent here to lead us.
 

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Ive never heard that Jesus rebelled, not sure where this came from, but Im limited in what I remember at times.:)
I do though remember and know that Jesus said, "the Father and I are one."
"I do nothing on my own, all is the will of the Father above , all I am and do comes from the Father above, from which there is no change or turning. "

If another can give the exact quote Id be greatful. :):):) Thankyou.

In Jesus, God bless:)
pickles
 
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John 14: 8-9
8. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Our God cannot be separated. Seeing is not with natural eyes, but with the Spiritual eyes.

Jesus is the Creator of all things including the law given to Moses. He is the Creator of the old and the new for the purpose of completing that which was for ordain before heaven and earth existed.

John 12:28 Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was .

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist .
 
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My God is ONE PERSON... ONE SPIRIT, ONE GOD. If my God was three persons He would have three personalities, but HE HAS ONE! Even when HE FILLS 5000 men, HE IS STILL ONE PERSON...

How is that possible? Well this is how that is possible.... Eph 4:6.... One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

I will attempt once again with Scripture to you all that God has only ONE PERSONALTY, and that makes HIM ONE PERSON. The personality God has in flesh.... Jesus Christ as MAN ON EARTH..... The personality as Father God in heaven...Jesus Christ as Holy Spirit in all the glory of GOD the FATHER. And the personality as the Holy Ghost in all people he fills.... God the Holy Spirit (Christ Jesus) the infilling spirit of all saits he perfected..... Christ Jesus (ONE GOD AND FATHER) above, in and through all of His people....

So God truly is only ONE PERSON (FATHER) in, above and through all GODLY PEOPLE! This is a good verse to beleive.... Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

TRIUNE TRINITY? Verse please! No verse no truth... Come on stop adding lies to the Bible... GOD IS ONE! Perfectly ONE! Alays were only ONE LORD and always will be only ONE LORD, ONE GOD, ONE SPIRIT, ONE FATHER, ONE SON, And they are ONE! Not trinity or triune or any satananmes you want to add... HE IS ONE!

How do I follow God? Jesus said... No man cometh unto the Father, but by ME...
This is easy to understand if you know what the role of God is as Chrsit Jesus the MAN WITH US NOW! Let us look at what the ONE God did for us..... God begot a Son he had crucidied so we can SEE what a MAN looks like when He has the Spirit of God (The Father) IN Him.

Jesus Christ as MAN was God the Father in a lesser glory as God the Spirit in the FULNESS of God. Look all God's glory cannot even be contained by the whole EARTH. God's glory strech into infirnity. The Alpha and the Omega... God's Glory CANNOT ALL fit into a body as small as a human body. But! If God does fill teh flesh with His Spirit in the measure Jesus had that would be the FATHER in flesh. (Fully God, but not fully to the all glory of God.) God in ll His glory can fill ALL people on earth and make them FULLY GOD, but not FULL GLORY of GOD! God as Spirit and Father fills ALL heaven, ALL angels, ALL people, and then ALL of HIMSELF way more than all heavens and angels and people. God is MASSIVE, and even all He makes Godly is not enough to contain all of Him.

Jesus says this in JOhn 17, indicating that when Jesus was confined to the ONE BODY as the MAN he was, he did not have the glory to the measure HE had before the earth was made... The FULL glory of God in ALL HIS GLORY....


Read this and take time with God to understand this.....
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

And the glory He had on earth? what did God do with that glory.... He gives it to us the moment we are BORN OF GOD....And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Do you all see it is the GLORIFICATION OF US THAT MAKES US ONE WITH GOD? To the same glory measure Jesus had on earth? If you do not know what this means, Start in Genesis 1:1 with God as your teacher.... I did, that is why I know God and His work.

Thank You Father for Your faithfulness... You said SEEK and thou shalt find, I seeked Your truth and you had me found it, I praise You for Your faithfulness. Lord Yo truly did give us a Spirit that seeketh into the depths of You, Amen!
 
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Follw ME says JEsus the word of /God

Genesis to revelation
 

Dan_473

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Hi RedTent,

this is a bit off-topic (maybe?)... i asked this question of a sabbath-keeper here on cc, but they haven't (or aren't planning to ) answered yet... i'm interested in knowing how the sabbath-keeping works in practice, and how the keepers deal with issues that come up... so, here's my q: is it lawful to lift a sheep out of a pit on the sabbath?

blessings!
 
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Hi RedTent,

this is a bit off-topic (maybe?)... i asked this question of a sabbath-keeper here on cc, but they haven't (or aren't planning to ) answered yet... i'm interested in knowing how the sabbath-keeping works in practice, and how the keepers deal with issues that come up... so, here's my q: is it lawful to lift a sheep out of a pit on the sabbath?

blessings!
This is NOT off topic, this is right on. Scripture, if it all is of God must be listened to, all of it. Otherwise, it is saying that Christ is rebelling about His Father, not that they are one!

Scripture says to honor the Sabbath and it tells us just how to do that, by stopping our usual work we do as for the Lord, and tell the Lord we trust only Him for our well being. Christ, who is God, said that we cannot withhold love for others on the Sabbath, it is not honoring it.

Mar_3:4 Then He said to them, "Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do what is good or to do what is evil, to save life or to kill?" But they were silent.

 
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Ive never heard that Jesus rebelled, not sure where this came from, but Im limited in what I remember at times.:)
I do though remember and know that Jesus said, "the Father and I are one."
"I do nothing on my own, all is the will of the Father above , all I am and do comes from the Father above, from which there is no change or turning. "

If another can give the exact quote Id be greatful. :):):) Thankyou.

In Jesus, God bless:)
pickles
This is my point, isn't it silly to say Christ rebelled? Yet people say that when Christ made what Moses did for us complete and fulfilled, it was to cancel what the Father did, and I think Christ would NEVER rebel against the Father. I was hoping there would be lots of posts saying that idea was completely wrong. I never said Christ did rebel, I said people keep saying He rebelled.

I get so scolded for saying we must listen to the Father and see how Christ completed what the Father said, didn't cancel it, so they would see what a foolish statement that was. I would get scolded for sounding like I agreed with them.

I don't think there is a quote in the entire scriptures to say Christ rebelled!! Because Christ didn't.
 

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This is NOT off topic, this is right on. Scripture, if it all is of God must be listened to, all of it. Otherwise, it is saying that Christ is rebelling about His Father, not that they are one!

Scripture says to honor the Sabbath and it tells us just how to do that, by stopping our usual work we do as for the Lord, and tell the Lord we trust only Him for our well being. Christ, who is God, said that we cannot withhold love for others on the Sabbath, it is not honoring it.

Mar_3:4 Then He said to them, "Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do what is good or to do what is evil, to save life or to kill?" But they were silent.


Thanks for the response! If u don't mind me asking again, is it OK to lift a sheep out of a pit on the sabbath? Blessings!