Is the Gift of Tongues for everyone???

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This POST is not to debate because debating is division and Christ prayed for unity so if you disagree that is fine Just Go after Jesus with everything you have in you
I seen a video that really gave a perspective to me in which i knew but just elaborated on it simply in 8 min. do i believe tongues is for every believer can every believer speak in tongues yes! and that is my view point on the matter because even Jesus said those who believe would speak in a new tongue read mark 16! Read acts one account i remember vividly is when Peter took the Gospel to the gentiles the Holy Spirit fell on them just the way it fell when the Disciples got baptized meaning they spoke in tongues all of them!! you can too ima post a 8 min. video down below you can watch it
:) i will discuss my viewpoint but i will not debate and even if we disagree we still walk as brethren in the Lord and Sister in the Lord we should not be in discord but unity

[video=youtube;8BeUop4HBAQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BeUop4HBAQ[/video]
 
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NO ONE can speak on tongues. That is just made up gibberish meant to show the gullible how "holy" the person speaking it is pretending to be.
 

notuptome

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Amos 3:3 Can two walk together except they be agreed?

Tongues are going to divide and not unite. Scripture poses the issue as one where tongues cease. 1 Corinthians 13:8 There is much disagreement over just what tongues are from a biblical perspective. Languages or utterances that cannot be understood. Mysterious prayer languages and all kinds of dubious exercises. It is an utterly false premise that you suggest. Makes me wonder if many who profess such things are truly saved or just pretenders sent in to scatter the sheep.

Every time this issue is brought up and it is brought up with regularity it divides and sets at naught the joy of many.

More study of God's word and more dedication to loving the Lord God is the only resolution to the issue. Obey Christ and love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul and strength. This alone will correct your perspective about tongues.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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It does not have to divide the Body i have a good brother in the Lord he is a Youth pastor at a baptist church we disagree with each other but we can still walk together even been to some of there services i enjoy them praise God for the Baptist brethren does he believe in speaking in tongues no but that doesnt mean we can't walk together :)
 
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NO ONE can speak on tongues. That is just made up gibberish meant to show the gullible how "holy" the person speaking it is pretending to be.
Brother this is totally false i do not proclaim to be more holy then anyone i am just a man after God's heart be careful what you say and not to mock the Holy Ghost or Grieve Him He is so precious and we need to be wise with our words and what we say because you will have to answer for them
 

jb

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Is the Gift of Tongues for everyone?
Basically, the vast majority of answers given to the OP will be given by persons completely ignorant on the gifts of the Holy Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11), however, for those who REALLY want to know, you can find a short study Here on this subject, the gift of tongues is the 8th gift dealt with...

Yahweh Shalom...
 

notuptome

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Basically, the vast majority of answers given to the OP will be given by persons completely ignorant on the gifts of the Holy Spirit (as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11), however, for those who REALLY want to know, you can find a short study Here on this subject, the gift of tongues is the 8th gift dealt with...

Yahweh Shalom...
Really? How condescending.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

notuptome

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Brother this is totally false i do not proclaim to be more holy then anyone i am just a man after God's heart be careful what you say and not to mock the Holy Ghost or Grieve Him He is so precious and we need to be wise with our words and what we say because you will have to answer for them
Really? You are like King David? Your humility is underwhelming.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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The "gift of tongues" as per 1Corinthians is not the same thing as the different operations of tongues. The Holy Spirit is the source of both, and gives the utterance to both. However, one operation of tongues is evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is thought of as receiving a car battery, powering the power locks, the power windows, and it is the power supply that initially starts the car. My point is very specific, everyone in the book of Acts that received the Holy Spirit had spoken in tongues, which we will examine in just a moment. This was the evidence of having received the battery.

The exhaust coming out of the running car did not start the car, it is simply proof that the car is running.

Now, having received the Holy Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues, which EVERYONE had done because they received the battery (the Holy Spirit). Therefore, now having the battery, they then became a candidate to receive the "GIFTS" of the spirit as per 1Corinthians (one of which is the gift of tongues).


The differences are as follows:

1. the "gift of tongues" (1Corinthians 12:10 - this is the one that everybody talks about)
2. intercession (Romans 8:26 - speaking in tongues through intercessory prayer)
3. upon first receiving the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4 - initially receiving the car battery)


Lets examine these and begin with the book of Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[8] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9] To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[10] To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Tongues and the interpretation takes place within a gathering of believers, usually taking place in church. Being moved by the Holy Spirit, a person stands up, speaks in tongues and sits down. A second person then stands up, speaks in tongues and sits down, and so a third. Then comes the interpretation. This is all done in an orderly fashion. The message is for time and place, and is for the edification of that body of believers.


However, that is not the only mode of tongues, and thereby controversy through misunderstanding. Lets turn to the book of Romans:

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

This speaks of an intercessory mode of tongues. With this we make intercessory prayer, and have confidence that our prayers are in God’s will.

Intercessory tongues is a mode or operation whereby the spirit moves. The Holy Spirit giving the utterance. This is something on a personal level, meeting a personal need, either for us or interceeding on someone's behalf.


The amazing thing about tongues, is that the Lord wants us to know it is available to everyone that has, or will have, the Holy Spirit as seen in the book of Acts. Which brings us to speaking in tongues as initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit the Bible way:

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Throughout the book of Acts, everyone that received the Holy spirit had received with speaking in tongues as the spirit gave the utterance. Now, within the controversy there are some quick to point out a few scriptures whereby it is simply not recorded either one way or the other. However, they cannot provide a single scripture that says someone failed to speak in tongues. We do have tons of scripture that folks did speak in tongues, but simply a non-statement does NOT mean that anyone has not spoken, it is simply not mentioned.

Here is a scriptural example:

This is an account of the exact same event. Only one account offers more information than the other. See if you can spot it:

Matthew 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.

John 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

You are correct, it was John that lists the name of the servant who's ear was smote off, AND lists the name of the person that had drew the sword. We have observed that the other scripture did not mention these facts, but where it is not mentioned does not mean that it did not happen.



Lets continue and find out how we can receive what God has offered to us:

Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
[13] Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
[14] But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
[15] For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


To apply Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, we need to do exactly what Peter said to do...

1. Death = Repent
2. Burial = water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection = Holy Spirit

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

I have spoken to people from around the world and find it amazing, those that do not speak in tongues, presume to be the foremost authority on the subject. Please don't let anyone tell you that you cannot receive something, that God himself, has waiting.


God Bless!
 
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NO ONE can speak on tongues. That is just made up gibberish meant to show the gullible how "holy" the person speaking it is pretending to be.
I always wondered why people who believe in tongues refuse to fulfill the rest of the Mark passage that so many of them quote to prove their stance.....

I suggest a cup of bleach or liquid draino.....if you can speak in tongues you can drink the two listed and have no harm come unto you.....Just like the snake handler who quotes Mark and then dies because of his bite...guess his faith was in vain...so...drink up those of you who claim tongues!
 

Dan58

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No, it was a one time event in Acts 2:1-21. This was a miracle of the Holy Spirit, which enabled each person to hear what was said in their own language; "And how hear we every man in our own tongue" (Acts 2:8). Paul said it was given for a sign; "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not" (1 Corinthians 14:22). But after the miracle on Pentecost, speaking in tongues was a simple reference to speaking in foreign languages. When this occurred, Paul said; "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret." (1 Corinthians 14:27). A person who spoke in tongues simply spoke multiple languages. Paul himself spoke in different tongues, meaning more than one language "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all" (1 Cor 14:18). But he also emphasized not speaking in an unknown tongue at the church in Corinth "if there be no interpreter" (vs 28).
 
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Very well said endtimes. That is what the bible teaches.

Dan58, if what you say is true, and it was a one time event, then how do you explain Acts 8:17-18? Simon saw that they received the Holy Ghost. How did he know that they had the Holy Ghost? Or how do you Explain acts 10:44-46? And also Acts 19:6?
 

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In these last days, we speak the gospel which is giving our witness as we have experienced Christ in our lives. And our experience lines up with scripture. I speak in tongues in a personal prayer language, but it is not forced, it is as the Holy Spirit leads. This was given to me and I received it through the Holy Ghost about 40 days after I was baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of my sins. I have also witnessed other types of tongues that the Lord has done through me, which is completely different from a personal prayer language. It is for edification for the body of Christ, for breaking off strongholds and done only through the Lord. This has been my witness and experience. Some have this, and some do not experience this. This is my experience of the Lord in my life.
 
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I always wondered why people who believe in tongues refuse to fulfill the rest of the Mark passage that so many of them quote to prove their stance.....

I suggest a cup of bleach or liquid draino.....if you can speak in tongues you can drink the two listed and have no harm come unto you.....Just like the snake handler who quotes Mark and then dies because of his bite...guess his faith was in vain...so...drink up those of you who claim tongues!
We are not to be foolish the Bible als says not to tempt God if some one was trying to poison you diffrent story if a snake bites you and your not provoking it ok move on and continue we walk in faith and these things will not harm us cause we believe in Jesus and follow Him but we are not to tempt God in these things
 
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First tongues is not a gift. It is a manifestation of the gift of holy spirit.

1 Cor. 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit . . . and then it lists the manifestations - word of wisdom, word of knowledge faith, gifts of healing, working of miracles, prophecy, discerning of spirits, kinds of tongues and interpretation , , , the only one considered 'gifts' is healing because healing is a gift.

ONE GIFT - 7b is given to every man to profit withal. The gift of holy spirit is given to every man with distinction - those born again of the Spirit.

just as there is ONE FRUIT with nine manifestations - love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance

 
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I always wondered why people who believe in tongues refuse to fulfill the rest of the Mark passage that so many of them quote to prove their stance.....

I suggest a cup of bleach or liquid draino.....if you can speak in tongues you can drink the two listed and have no harm come unto you.....Just like the snake handler who quotes Mark and then dies because of his bite...guess his faith was in vain...so...drink up those of you who claim tongues!
I believe in verse 18 . . . should be taken in the context of (If) they shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them . . .

Acts 28:3 And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. And he shook off the beast into the fire and felt no harm. Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him they changed their minds and said that he was a god.

We are not to do these things on purpose - I think that would be testing God.


 

notuptome

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The "gift of tongues" as per 1Corinthians is not the same thing as the different operations of tongues. The Holy Spirit is the source of both, and gives the utterance to both. However, one operation of tongues is evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit, which is thought of as receiving a car battery, powering the power locks, the power windows, and it is the power supply that initially starts the car. My point is very specific, everyone in the book of Acts that received the Holy Spirit had spoken in tongues, which we will examine in just a moment. This was the evidence of having received the battery.

The exhaust coming out of the running car did not start the car, it is simply proof that the car is running.

Now, having received the Holy Spirit, evidenced by speaking in tongues, which EVERYONE had done because they received the battery (the Holy Spirit). Therefore, now having the battery, they then became a candidate to receive the "GIFTS" of the spirit as per 1Corinthians (one of which is the gift of tongues).


The differences are as follows:

1. the "gift of tongues" (1Corinthians 12:10 - this is the one that everybody talks about)
2. intercession (Romans 8:26 - speaking in tongues through intercessory prayer)
3. upon first receiving the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4 - initially receiving the car battery)


Lets examine these and begin with the book of Corinthians:

1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
[8] For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[9] To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[10] To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Tongues and the interpretation takes place within a gathering of believers, usually taking place in church. Being moved by the Holy Spirit, a person stands up, speaks in tongues and sits down. A second person then stands up, speaks in tongues and sits down, and so a third. Then comes the interpretation. This is all done in an orderly fashion. The message is for time and place, and is for the edification of that body of believers.


However, that is not the only mode of tongues, and thereby controversy through misunderstanding. Lets turn to the book of Romans:

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

This speaks of an intercessory mode of tongues. With this we make intercessory prayer, and have confidence that our prayers are in God’s will.

Intercessory tongues is a mode or operation whereby the spirit moves. The Holy Spirit giving the utterance. This is something on a personal level, meeting a personal need, either for us or interceeding on someone's behalf.


The amazing thing about tongues, is that the Lord wants us to know it is available to everyone that has, or will have, the Holy Spirit as seen in the book of Acts. Which brings us to speaking in tongues as initial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit the Bible way:

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
[2] And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
[4] And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Throughout the book of Acts, everyone that received the Holy spirit had received with speaking in tongues as the spirit gave the utterance. Now, within the controversy there are some quick to point out a few scriptures whereby it is simply not recorded either one way or the other. However, they cannot provide a single scripture that says someone failed to speak in tongues. We do have tons of scripture that folks did speak in tongues, but simply a non-statement does NOT mean that anyone has not spoken, it is simply not mentioned.

Here is a scriptural example:

This is an account of the exact same event. Only one account offers more information than the other. See if you can spot it:

Matthew 26:51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.

John 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

You are correct, it was John that lists the name of the servant who's ear was smote off, AND lists the name of the person that had drew the sword. We have observed that the other scripture did not mention these facts, but where it is not mentioned does not mean that it did not happen.



Lets continue and find out how we can receive what God has offered to us:

Acts 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
[13] Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
[14] But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
[15] For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
[16] But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
[17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
[18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
[38] Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[39] For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.


To apply Jesus death, burial, and resurrection, we need to do exactly what Peter said to do...

1. Death = Repent
2. Burial = water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
3. Resurrection = Holy Spirit

Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[5] For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

I have spoken to people from around the world and find it amazing, those that do not speak in tongues, presume to be the foremost authority on the subject. Please don't let anyone tell you that you cannot receive something, that God himself, has waiting.


God Bless!
Did I miss your exegesis on 1 Corinthians 13:8? If you are not Jewish why do you covet tongues? Are not the signs for the Jews? Why are tongues for Jewish people? Thrilling study of what the Jewish person see when tongues are evidenced.

God is not the author of confusion but of order and discipline. Tongues are out of order in the modern Gentile church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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NO ONE can speak on tongues. That is just made up gibberish meant to show the gullible how "holy" the person speaking it is pretending to be.
This can be easily resolved.

Someone claiming the gift of speaking in tongues should post a video of him/her speaking in tongues to include the person doing the interpreting.
 

Billyd

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Brother this is totally false i do not proclaim to be more holy then anyone i am just a man after God's heart be careful what you say and not to mock the Holy Ghost or Grieve Him He is so precious and we need to be wise with our words and what we say because you will have to answer for them
Brother, I believe it is possible, but I don't believe it happens in most churches that have people claim they are speaking in tongues really do, and I don't know anyone who really can. One of my favorite things to do is to speak "outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion" when I attend a church where tongues are being spoken. You wouldn't believe many different ways it has been translated over the past 60 years. It'll be properly translated here before the night is over.
 
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Brother, I believe it is possible, but I don't believe it happens in most churches that have people claim they are speaking in tongues really do, and I don't know anyone who really can. One of my favorite things to do is to speak "outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion" when I attend a church where tongues are being spoken. You wouldn't believe many different ways it has been translated over the past 60 years. It'll be properly translated here before the night is over.
is that from John 3? i can't get a translator to work