Is the Gift of Tongues for everyone???

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This POST is not to debate because debating is division and Christ prayed for unity so if you disagree that is fine Just Go after Jesus with everything you have in you
I seen a video that really gave a perspective to me in which i knew but just elaborated on it simply in 8 min. do i believe tongues is for every believer can every believer speak in tongues yes! and that is my view point on the matter because even Jesus said those who believe would speak in a new tongue read mark 16! Read acts one account i remember vividly is when Peter took the Gospel to the gentiles the Holy Spirit fell on them just the way it fell when the Disciples got baptized meaning they spoke in tongues all of them!! you can too ima post a 8 min. video down below you can watch it
:) i will discuss my viewpoint but i will not debate and even if we disagree we still walk as brethren in the Lord and Sister in the Lord we should not be in discord but unity
I didn't have any problem understanding understanding what he said at all. Mind you, I don't believe exactly the same way SOE does, but I read this plain as day, NO DEBATE.

I don't know SOE personally. I hope he is a genuine believer..... because it would take the grace of God to put up with all of those naysayers coming out of the woodwork half-cocked & ready to argue.

While everyone is entitled to their opinions & beliefs, it's not Christlike at all looking for a full-blown argument.

If you think he's just getting everybody's dandruff up with these posts, guess what? You bit, & made a donkey of yourself.

If he's just being honest in his beliefs, then in jumping on him you really made a donkey of yourself.


So which is it?
 
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Brother, I believe it is possible, but I don't believe it happens in most churches that have people claim they are speaking in tongues really do, and I don't know anyone who really can. One of my favorite things to do is to speak "outwV gar hgaphsen o qeoV ton kosmon wste ton uion ton monogenh edwken ina paV o pisteuwn eiV auton mh apolhtai all ech zwhn aiwnion" when I attend a church where tongues are being spoken. You wouldn't believe many different ways it has been translated over the past 60 years. It'll be properly translated here before the night is over.
John 3:16:) (Greek)
 
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Enclosed is a link to a video of tongues in church. It is the real deal. Tongues in this video is orderly, the Bible way. This is the statement (followed by the video) ...


The world AND many indoctrinated denominationalists are fiercely attacking, finding fault and trying to destroy the Church of the Living God. Yet many of these same church members think nothing about attending a ball game or a concert, and getting "in the spirit" of another sort, as they scream, holler and clap their hands while rooting for their favorite team OR expressing their excitement, enthusiasm, satisfaction and enjoyment in whatever form of "entertainment" they are being exposed to. Furthermore, the sad truth is that many of these same church members do NOT understand what true worship and praise is all about. They've been mis-led and mis-informed. And, as a result, they would reject the notion that the above referenced Scriptures have any relevance at all for true worship and praise, today. As a result, they miss many blessings associated with true worship and praise. Instead, many churches and church members today have become steeped in traditions, and are accustomed to their form of worship and praise services being nothing more than a place to sit in silence under the power and control of one of the many "spirits of religion" in the world, today.

The true Church of the Living God is NOT a denomination. Nor does it consist of bricks, mortar and sound equipment. Instead, it is dynamic, alive, thriving AND growing. While the vast majority of religious meetings are nothing more than mundane, dry, dead, dull and boring social gatherings. And, many of these same church members are like the religious people in Acts Chapter 2 who did not know or understand what true worship and praise is all about, either. As a result, true worship and praise is ridiculed, mocked and even considered demonic.

In the video clip you are about to see you will actually witness what true worship and praise is all about, as well as the operation of some of the Gifts and Fruit of the Spirit, which many have been mis-lead and mis-informed about. And, sadly enough many church members today think nothing of condemning, criticizing, speaking evil of and even denying true worship and praise, today. Also, what you are about to see should be found in every Church of the Living God. You're going to witness the real thing ... the moving of the Holy Spirit with the laying on of hands, praying for one another AND the Gift of Tongues AND the Interpretation of Tongues. Enjoy!


True Worship and Praise recorded on Dec. 5, 2010


God bless!
 

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When I was in high school a friend and I visited a church that her brother was attending. I wasn't a Christian at the time but something compelled me to go to the alter when they were inviting people up to the alter to be saved. When I went up front a group of people circled around me holding hands and started trying to get me to speak in tongues. They kept going on and on and they were all crowding against me and I was getting freaked out and so (to my eternal shame) I pretended to speak in tongues. Same thing happened to my friend. After I "spoke in tongues" they started singing and dancing around me. Afterwards my friend admitted to me that she had pretended to speak in tongues too because she had been so scared of them (remember we were only teens and they were adults). We both decided at that point that the whole church thing wasn't for us and it was years before I entered another one. I've been wary of talking in tongues since then.
 
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Did I miss your exegesis on 1 Corinthians 13:8? If you are not Jewish why do you covet tongues? Are not the signs for the Jews? Why are tongues for Jewish people? Thrilling study of what the Jewish person see when tongues are evidenced.

God is not the author of confusion but of order and discipline. Tongues are out of order in the modern Gentile church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger dear boy, this is the type of uninformed (and unscriptural) answer I was referring to in Post #6! :p

I knew you wouldn't disappoint me!
 
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So when you say tongues are we saying known languages? Or are we talking about prayer language which is no where mentioned in scripture? The groanings of the Holy Spirit on our behalf are not that.

I am a cessationist, meaning the miraclious gifys have ceased. Can God do what he has in the past yes He could, but he has no need of it as the church has been built and the gospel speaks for its self as being true and Gods word said it is everything we need for life and Godliness. So its not normative or normal for Him to do so in the church age.

Is there another spirit at work here masquerdaing as a angel of light? You betcha.
Is seeking more than what God has all ready given you (the Holy Spirit) a sin? You bet
Is elevating one member of the trinity and being so focused on them almost entirely a problem? Yep!
Does it set up the mindset that one Christian has a better standing in Christ? Those that do verse those that dont. Yes it does! (The assemblies of God used to say if you didnt you wernt saved, some no longer do)
In the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit came on someone it was to complete a task for God Like Samson with his Strengh or Saul for being the first king.
Food for thought then, if we look at the roots of those beliefs and see that they were born of a combination and igorance (men uneducated theologically) and african superstitution have been set out of the church because of race and doing the best that they know how.
The house of cards starts to fall.
Lastly its based on a heresy called gnosticism which the apostles always rejected and labled as false teachers.
 
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Sorry it timed out as I was fixing the typos and errors.

So when you say tongues are we saying known languages? Or are we talking about prayer language which is nowhere mentioned in scripture? The groaning’s of the Holy Spirit on our behalf is not that.

I am a cessationist, meaning the miraculous gifts have ceased. Can God do what he has in the past yes He could, but he has no need of it as the church has been built and the gospel speaks for its self as being true and Gods word said it is everything we need for life and Godliness. So it’s not normative or normal for Him to do so in the church age.

Is there another spirit at work here masquerading as an angel of light? You betcha.
Is seeking more than what God has already given you (the Holy Spirit) a sin? You bet
Is elevating one member of the trinity and being so focused on them almost entirely a problem? Yep!
Does it set up the mindset that one Christian has a better standing in Christ? Those that do vs those that don’t. Yes it does! (The assemblies of God used to say if you didn’t you weren’t saved, some no longer do)
In the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit came on someone it was to complete a task for God like Samson with his Strength or Saul for being the first king.
Food for thought then, if we look at the roots of those beliefs and see that they were born of a combination and ignorance (men uneducated theologically) and African superstition have been set out of the church because of race and doing the best that they know how.
The house of cards starts to fall.
Lastly it’s based on a heresy called Gnosticism which the apostles always rejected and labeled as false teachers
 

Dan58

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Dan58, if what you say is true, and it was a one time event, then how do you explain Acts 8:17-18? Simon saw that they received the Holy Ghost. How did he know that they had the Holy Ghost? Or how do you Explain acts 10:44-46? And also Acts 19:6?

My point was that it was a one time event during the initial proclamation of the gospel. It was a miracle to convince non-believers during the apostolic age, as was healings and other miracles (1 Corinthians 14:22). The miracle wasn't speaking in unknown tongues, but that others could understand and heard in their own language without the need of interpreters. So it wasn't unknown rantings as we see in some churches today, God did not create confusion in the form of undistinguishable vain babbling. but it was the intercession of the Holy Spirit that caused all to understand. Every tongue (language) was understood, that was the miracle. jmo
 

notuptome

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Roger dear boy, this is the type of uninformed (and unscriptural) answer I was referring to in Post #6! :p

I knew you wouldn't disappoint me!
What is unscriptural about 1 Corinthians 13:8?

You believe in tongues because of feeling not because of scripture. Scripture protests strongly against your position and clearly the evidence in the modern Gentile church confirms what scripture teaches. Tongues are not operating in the modern charismatic or Pentecostal churches.

You do not know these things because you choose not to know them. They are not hidden but clearly revealed in the prophecy given to all men, the written word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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No, it was a one time event in Acts 2:1-21. This was a miracle of the Holy Spirit, which enabled each person to hear what was said in their own language; "And how hear we every man in our own tongue" (Acts 2:8). Paul said it was given for a sign; "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not" (1 Corinthians 14:22). But after the miracle on Pentecost, speaking in tongues was a simple reference to speaking in foreign languages. When this occurred, Paul said; "If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret." (1 Corinthians 14:27). A person who spoke in tongues simply spoke multiple languages. Paul himself spoke in different tongues, meaning more than one language "I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all" (1 Cor 14:18). But he also emphasized not speaking in an unknown tongue at the church in Corinth "if there be no interpreter" (vs 28).
Dan58 Acts 2 was not a one time event. First off, this "speaking in tongues" gibberish is a lie from the pit of hell. You are right in what you posted, each person heard the wonderful works of God in their own language.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost... The Holy Spirit translated the original Hebrew scriptures into the native tongues of all that were assembled there. That is exactly what Acts 2 is about. God is showing that the wonderful works of God (the scriptures) are given to all languages by the Holy Spirit speaking through holy men. This is proof positive that God preserves his word through the Holy Spirit and men.

This didn't end then, eventually the scriptures were translated into English.
 
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Dan58 Acts 2 was not a one time event. First off, this "speaking in tongues" gibberish is a lie from the pit of hell. You are right in what you posted, each person heard the wonderful works of God in their own language.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost... The Holy Spirit translated the original Hebrew scriptures into the native tongues of all that were assembled there. That is exactly what Acts 2 is about. God is showing that the wonderful works of God (the scriptures) are given to all languages by the Holy Spirit speaking through holy men. This is proof positive that God preserves his word through the Holy Spirit and men.

This didn't end then, eventually the scriptures were translated into English.
Have you ever done a study on how badly King James persecuted the religious practices of those that founded the United States?
 
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Sorry it timed out as I was fixing the typos and errors.

So when you say tongues are we saying known languages? Or are we talking about prayer language which is nowhere mentioned in scripture? The groaning’s of the Holy Spirit on our behalf is not that.

I am a cessationist, meaning the miraculous gifts have ceased. Can God do what he has in the past yes He could, but he has no need of it as the church has been built and the gospel speaks for its self as being true and Gods word said it is everything we need for life and Godliness. So it’s not normative or normal for Him to do so in the church age.

Is there another spirit at work here masquerading as an angel of light? You betcha.
Is seeking more than what God has already given you (the Holy Spirit) a sin? You bet
Is elevating one member of the trinity and being so focused on them almost entirely a problem? Yep!
Does it set up the mindset that one Christian has a better standing in Christ? Those that do vs those that don’t. Yes it does! (The assemblies of God used to say if you didn’t you weren’t saved, some no longer do)
In the Old Testament when the Holy Spirit came on someone it was to complete a task for God like Samson with his Strength or Saul for being the first king.
Food for thought then, if we look at the roots of those beliefs and see that they were born of a combination and ignorance (men uneducated theologically) and African superstition have been set out of the church because of race and doing the best that they know how.
The house of cards starts to fall.
Lastly it’s based on a heresy called Gnosticism which the apostles always rejected and labeled as false teachers
I would urge you study about Gnosticism before you start painting people with the gnostic brush...
 
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The bible is indisputably clear. Yes, tongues are real....No, not everyone has this gift. Paul spoke in tongues and so did the disciples on the day of Pentecost. But when Paul was speaking at a latter time he posed the question " Do all speak with tongues ?" The unspoken answer to that question was No, ALL do not speak with tongues. 1 Corinthians 12 tells us that God has by the same Spirit given out gifts to men and dividing them severally as He wills. Not everyone has the same gift actively working through them. God does this so there is a balance in the body of his church. It helps us to work together and to depend on each other just like our physical body does with it's different functions that all work together. I think people are making way too much of telling people they need to speak in tongues, and saying if they don't something is wrong with their walk with Christ. Especially when Paul says " For greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying." In my experience when I have been around those who are claiming to speak in tongues, none of them interpret what they are supposed to be saying...and it even disrupts the services at times because people are sitting down waiting for the person to stop so services can continue. God does not intend for this "gift" to disrupt the church, especially when it is only benefitting the one person who is using it.
 

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The bible is indisputably clear. Yes, tongues are real....No, not everyone has this gift. Paul spoke in tongues and so did the disciples on the day of Pentecost. But when Paul was speaking at a latter time he posed the question " Do all speak with tongues ?" The unspoken answer to that question was No, ALL do not speak with tongues. 1 Corinthians 12 tells us that God has by the same Spirit given out gifts to men and dividing them severally as He wills. Not everyone has the same gift actively working through them. God does this so there is a balance in the body of his church. It helps us to work together and to depend on each other just like our physical body does with it's different functions that all work together. I think people are making way too much of telling people they need to speak in tongues, and saying if they don't something is wrong with their walk with Christ. Especially when Paul says " For greater is he that prophesies than he that speaks with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying." In my experience when I have been around those who are claiming to speak in tongues, none of them interpret what they are supposed to be saying...and it even disrupts the services at times because people are sitting down waiting for the person to stop so services can continue. God does not intend for this "gift" to disrupt the church, especially when it is only benefitting the one person who is using it.
How many times in the last year have you experienced people in your church who were unsaved that could not understand English? Did someone in the congregation converse with them in their native tongue?

For the cause of Christ
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I would urge you study about Gnosticism before you start painting people with the gnostic brush...
So how is seeking special wisdom or knowelege any differnt?
Late Latin gnosticus, from Greek gnōstikos of knowledge, from gignōskein
1. gnostic Of, relating to, or possessing intellectual or spiritual knowledge
I didnt say which form or that you believe matter is evil!
 
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NO ONE can speak on tongues. That is just made up gibberish meant to show the gullible how "holy" the person speaking it is pretending to be.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do...

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

1 Corinthians 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.



I would be the first to say that the devil has his fake tongues. However, it is not wise to make such a derogatory statement and apply it to all tongues, especially since we know speaking in tongues is the Holy Spirit giving the utterance.

Joh 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
Joh 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The Bible does require being born again “the Bible way”. Let’s look at the next verse:

Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Here, Jesus used the analogy of the wind in reference to being born again “the Bible way”. In His analogy notice He said that “so is EVERY ONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT”. Now, in the analogy Jesus used regarding the wind, He said that, while you can’t tell where it came from or where it’s going, you can very definitely hear the “sound” of it ... and that is pertaining to EVERY ONE THAT IS BORN OF THE SPIRIT. So, my question is, “What is the sound?” Well, on the Day of Pentecost, when the original New Testament Church was born and inaugurated, there was a sound.

Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

So, is the sound that of a rushing mighty wind? Well, in this case there was a sound hear like that of a rushing mighty wind. But, let’s continue reading a little further.

Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

OK, so all of them were filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. So what does that mean? While that is certainly a “sound” what does that mean? Let’s continue reading.

Act 2:5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

We find that this event created quite a stir in Jerusalem that day. And, some were amazed and marvelled when they hear everyone who had just received the Holy Ghost speaking with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. And, they even recognized these tongues as being “the wonderful works of God”, but were amazed in in doubt as to what it all meant. So let’s continue on.

Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine

Oops! There was some spoiler there, too, who just had to make fun and ridicule what was going on. Some things never change. It’s still true, today. But, let’s continue on.

Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

Peter takes the bull by the horns, and begins to explain. He tells them that what they were witnessing wasn’t due to anybody being drunk. After all it was only 9 AM. Instead, all this commotion that was noised abroad throughout Jerusalem that day was, in fact, a fulfillment of prophecy. And, he started quoting from the Old Testament Book of Joel, Chapter 2.

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Acts 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
Acts 2:19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
Acts 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:
Joel 2:29 And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.
Joel 2:30 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


Tongues continues throughout the Book of Acts. Chapter 10, at Cornelius’ house. Peter and those who came with him were bringing the gospel to them, NOT vice versa. And, everyone at Cornelius’ house received the Holy Ghost. So, who needed to hear the tongues spoken in order to propagate the gospel? Instead, the tongues was evidence to the Jews who had come with Peter, that the Gentiles had indeed received the Holy Ghost “the Bible way” just as they had.

Act 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

And, likewise, tongues in Acts Chapter 19, when Paul met the twelve disciples of John the Baptist...

Act 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
Act 19:2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Act 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.

All twelve got re-baptized, and in the precious name of Jesus by Paul, and all twelve spoke in tongues. Again, just like in Acts Chapter 2 and Acts Chapter 10, these twelve disciples of John the Baptist received the Holy Ghost “the Bible way” and spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave utterance. That’s all. Plain and simple.


God bless!
 
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Copied from the other thread.

Then why did Paul say that I speak in tongues more than you all. He was not present at the day of Pentecost he was killing Christians at the time. Why did Paul give instruction to the church as to how tongues were to be used? Why did Paul write not to forbid speaking in tongues?
 

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I would be the first to say that the devil has his fake tongues. However, it is not wise to make such a derogatory statement and apply it to all tongues, especially since we know speaking in tongues is the Holy Spirit giving the utterance.
Show us an example of a counterfeit and the real thing for comparison. Can you even tell the difference in the two? I doubt it.
 
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Show us an example of a counterfeit and the real thing for comparison. Can you even tell the difference in the two? I doubt it.
So you don't want to get that close to God. I understand, The Israelite's didn't want to either. When God showed Himself before them. They said never do that again, lest we die and we don't want to die. They said send us your prophet.