Eternal Punishment
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"everlasting" - aionios - of or belonging to an age, literally age-lasting.
aionios does not mean infinity, but rather a time referred to as an age, as long as the age is, in Hebrew the word is olam which means 'the hidden time or age', for example Jonah 2:6 "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for-ever (olam)"
Jonah did not go under the water for never-ending infinity amount of time, it was just a time period that was beyond his ability to know, it was hidden from him, this is called olam and it is translated as 'for-ever', 'everlasting', eternal', this is the Biblical root of the Greek aionios which is translated in this same way.
aionios does not mean infinity, but rather a time referred to as an age, as long as the age is, in Hebrew the word is olam which means 'the hidden time or age', for example Jonah 2:6 "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for-ever (olam)"
Jonah did not go under the water for never-ending infinity amount of time, it was just a time period that was beyond his ability to know, it was hidden from him, this is called olam and it is translated as 'for-ever', 'everlasting', eternal', this is the Biblical root of the Greek aionios which is translated in this same way.
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It does not say "into the ages" it says "age-lasting" in this case, also we must use the Bible to interpret the Bible not Platonic thought, 'eternal' and 'everlasting' are interpreted to mean age lasting or 'age of ages', but not infinity, not never-ending, beyond all time, but within a time unseen, hence I referred you to the Hebrew which agrees with the Greek.
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Yes, but little more depth, then you will begin to see what I am saying, I am quite aware of the reference you have given, but it's not enough in this particular case, this is an important word. Try 'Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible' & 'Liddel & Scott' for the Greek, then cross reference the Hebrew as I pointed out.
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Yea, I worked on this word for about 3 months, part time of course, it's a difficult one, I mean, what I'm saying is that there is more to it than Strong's, but of course one would have to be lead by the Spirit on this matter, think about how important this word is, like I said I spent 3 months studying one word when I approached the Hell Doctrine, if we can call it that, and what I found was 'everlasting' 'forever' and 'eternal' do not mean infinity, but let the Spirit testify to this.
Perhaps you will allow me to speculate, since I don’t know the answer:
On this earth, when we sin, the Lord allows us to feel miserable because of our sin. This is hell. When we don’t sin, we don’t suffer—this is heaven. This will be true forever. When we die, we don’t go to heaven or hell. We go to another place, called the resurrection. A person’s “sentence is up” when t he Lord decides the person has suffered enough.
Does this make sense?
On this earth, when we sin, the Lord allows us to feel miserable because of our sin. This is hell. When we don’t sin, we don’t suffer—this is heaven. This will be true forever. When we die, we don’t go to heaven or hell. We go to another place, called the resurrection. A person’s “sentence is up” when t he Lord decides the person has suffered enough.
Does this make sense?
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You understand someone can use that argument and say "everlasting life isn't really eternal". Not only that - but..
Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
How long is day and night forever and ever ?
Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
How long is day and night forever and ever ?
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eternal really is eternal
in fact the flow of time as we experience it is peculiar to this physical realm
God is in the spiritual and is therefore outside of time
that is why he can give prophecies; because he can see the end from the beginning
that is also why sinning doen't lose your salvation; God always knew you were gonna sin at a particular time; what sinning does do to a believer is cut them off from fellowship from God
not from the relationship with God
in fact the flow of time as we experience it is peculiar to this physical realm
God is in the spiritual and is therefore outside of time
that is why he can give prophecies; because he can see the end from the beginning
that is also why sinning doen't lose your salvation; God always knew you were gonna sin at a particular time; what sinning does do to a believer is cut them off from fellowship from God
not from the relationship with God
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I am not a Platonist, so that was a wierd reference. You don't read Greek, you don't know how to use the Greek helps correctly, do you even know what preposition would be used for the expression "into the ages"? Do you know what case aionas would be in that example? So, why don't you use Greek to interpret Greek?
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