The law of moses the law giver or the go between ?

[Zinzerio]

[h=3]Hi all below is the time when Moses was in direct communication and talking with God in the tabernacle.

Exodus 18:13-27King James Version (KJV)
[/h] [SUP]13 [/SUP]And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses sat to judge the people: and the people stood by Moses from the morning unto the evening.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And when Moses' father in law saw all that he did to the people, he said, What is this thing that thou doest to the people? why sittest thou thyself alone, and all the people stand by thee from morning unto even?


[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Moses said unto his father in law, Because the people come unto me to enquire of God:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]When they have a matter, they come unto me; and I judge between one and another, and I do make them know the statutes of God, and his laws.

[h=3]The Appointment of Judges good news trans
[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]The next day Moses was settling disputes among the people, and he was kept busy from morning till night. [SUP]14 [/SUP]When Jethro saw everything that Moses had to do, he asked, “What is all this that you are doing for the people? Why are you doing this all alone, with people standing here from morning till night to consult you?”

[SUP]15 [/SUP]Moses answered, “I must do this because the people come to me to learn God's will. [SUP]16 [/SUP]When two people have a dispute, they come to me, and I decide which one of them is right, and I tell them God's commands and laws.”



[h=1] Exodus 18:13-27New International Version (NIV)
[/h] [SUP]13 [/SUP]The next day Moses took his seat to serve as judge for the people, and they stood around him from morning till evening. [SUP]14 [/SUP]When his father-in-law saw all that Moses was doing for the people, he said, “What is this you are doing for the people? Why do you alone sit as judge, while all these people stand around you from morning till evening?”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Moses answered him, “Because the people come to me to seek God’s will. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Whenever they have a dispute, it is brought to me, and I decide between the parties and inform them of God’s decrees and instructions.”



Exodus 18:13-27New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And so it was, on the next day, that Moses sat to judge the people; and the people stood before Moses from morning until evening. [SUP]14 [/SUP]So when Moses’ father-in-law saw all that he did for the people, he said, “What is this thing that you are doing for the people? Why do you alone sit, and all the people stand before you from morning until evening?”

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And Moses said to his father-in-law, “Because the people come to me to inquire of God. [SUP]16 [/SUP]When they have a difficulty, they come to me, and I judge between one and another; and I make known the statutes of God and His laws.”.

Ok i have bolded out each important bit on each translation. now if you read on in this scripture you will know that this scripture has to do with disputes that where breaking out among the people and the laws that where given for them disputes, i believe this scripture speaks of how the 633 laws came about... as you can see verse 16 in the kjv versions says and I judge between one and another; and I make known the statutes of God and His laws.”.

where as the niv says [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whenever they have a dispute, it is brought to me, and I decide between the parties and inform them of God’s decrees and instructions.”

So to be clear the niv says he decides bewteen the parties (who are the parties) and the kjv says and I judge between one and another,

I think that the parties means the person who is making the dispute and the person who is responsible for causing the dispute.. correct me if i am wrong please. (could this be seen by some why they call moses the law giver or the law of moses ? i

but what is more important in verse 16 is in all translations it says
(NKJV) and I make known the statutes of God and His laws.”.

(NIV)

and inform them of God’s decrees and instructions.”


Ok now from theese two verses i think its pretty fair to say that it was God who gave the 633 laws yes or know ? and if that is so is it pretty fair to say that this is not the law of moses and moses is not a law giver but a law keeper of the lord ?

Ok what ever people wanna say on this feel free have your own ideas or can shed lite or you wish to dispute fine ok

 

[KohenMatt]

Ok now from theese two verses i think its pretty fair to say that it was God who gave the 633 laws yes or know ? and if that is so is it pretty fair to say that this is not the law of moses and moses is not a law giver but a law keeper of the lord ?

Ok what ever people wanna say on this feel free have your own ideas or can shed lite or you wish to dispute fine ok

While I agree with your ultimate conclusion of the Law being given by God and not Moses, I think the definition of Moses as a "keeper" of the Law is a bit vague. I think your thread title probably makes more sense in that Moses was the "go-between" between God and man.

 

[directline2iam]

The Law of Moses is the list of rituals, moral laws, and guidance that are recorded in the the Books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The are called the Law of Moses because God gave them to the nation of Israel through a man called Moses:

Remember the law of Moses My servant, even the statutes and ordinances which I [God] commanded him in Horeb for all Israel. (Mal. 4:4, NASB

)
​

The Jews were to follow the Law of Moses (Deut. 4:1

).
The New Testament tells us that God added (Gal. 3:17

,19

) the Law of Moses to the life of his people to teach them: the Law taught people about sin (Gal. 3:19

, 22-23

), and it taught people about Christ (Gal. 3:24, NASB

). Now that Christ has come, the Law has been abolished (Gal. 3:25

; Rom. 10:4

: i.e. we do not need to follow the Law of Moses nowadays). Instead, nowadays we need to follow the Lord Jesus Christ himself (Gal. 6:2

; Phil. 2:5

; 1Peter 2:21

).

On top of that, if Moses was a law keeper he would have entered the promised land, but as it is plainly recorded, he didn't keep the law, however, his soul was saved through some acts of righteousness by his faith.

 

[2Thewaters]

Moses is not the lawgiver

that is a satanic myth given through hollywood

Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

you really ought to turn off your tv and get rid of it, it screws up your mind.

 

[Zinzerio]

Deuteronomy 4:1New International Version - UK (NIVUK)


Obedience commanded

4 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. -
[h=1] Deuteronomy 4:1King James Version (KJV)
[/h] 4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.


where does it say here the jews where to follow the law of moses ? i havent even begun to research the rest of your post yet

 

[directline2iam]

Deuteronomy 4:1New International Version - UK (NIVUK)


Obedience commanded

4 Now, Israel, hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors, is giving you. -
Deuteronomy 4:1King James Version (KJV)


4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.


where does it say here the jews where to follow the law of moses ? i havent even begun to research the rest of your post yet

4 Now, Israel (Jews), hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow (Do) them...
Do you know who wrote the book of Deuteronomy? Moses.
Who was given 2 stones with the law written on them? Moses.
Who taught the Jews (Israel) to learn them and do them? Moses.
That is why Jesus Himself said in the NT to do according to the Law of Moses.
Even though God gave His Laws...they (the Laws) are well known (in the OT and NT) by anyone who actually can read and comprehend, as the Law of Moses.
If you can't believe God's word at face value...ask for help in believing.
Wisdom isn't in REP POWER it's in Christ...........

 

[crossnote]

I know Scripture states Moses gave the law, where does it say he 'kept' the law?
Answer and I'll leave.

 

[Zinzerio]

4 Now, Israel (Jews), hear the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow (Do) them...
Do you know who wrote the book of Deuteronomy? Moses.
Who was given 2 stones with the law written on them? Moses.
Who taught the Jews (Israel) to learn them and do them? Moses.
That is why Jesus Himself said in the NT to do according to the Law of Moses.
Even though God gave His Laws...they (the Laws) are well known (in the OT and NT) by anyone who actually can read and comprehend, as the Law of Moses.
If you can't believe God's word at face value...ask for help in believing.
Wisdom isn't in REP POWER it's in Christ...........

I have bolded out what i thought was worth a research
and
[h=1] Matthew 5:17-42New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
[/h] [h=3]The fulfilment of the law[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter,

[h=1] Matthew 5:17-42King James Version (KJV)
[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


[h=1] Matthew 5:17-42New International Version - UK (NIVUK)[/h] [h=3]The fulfilment of the law[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]‘Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For truly I tell you,




as you can see not one of theese translations refers to it being the law of moses so what ever translation you have that refers to it as the law of moses then quite clearly there is an error,

because prohesy comes from god,, not man. and even if you do refer to it as the law of moses then fine ,, but you can not think that law came from moses him self.
a man who is a law untoo himself does not not stand with Jesus.

talk about a thread derail geess

 

[Zinzerio]

I know Scripture states Moses gave the law, where does it say he 'kept' the law?
Answer and I'll leave.

ah keeper is someone who guards a lock in my book not sure about yours perhaps you would care to explain

 

[crossnote]

ah keeper is someone who guards a lock in my book not sure about yours perhaps you would care to explain

ok, I wasn't thinking of that definition for 'keeper'...I'll leave.

 

[directline2iam]

You came to argue I came to help you understand. So I'll repeat it again, Even though God gave His Laws...they (the Laws) are well known (in the OT and NT) by anyone who actually can read and comprehend, as the Law of Moses.
Here is a small list and you try and read them with understanding from the Spirit:
[h=3]Moses as Lawgiver[/h]

• Purification, Law of Moses (Luke 2:22)
• Cleansing of lepers (Matthew 8:4 ; Mark 1:44; Luke 5:14)
• Divorce (Matthew 19:7-8; Mark 10:3-5; Luke 20:28)
• To Pharisees who cheated widows: Mark 7:10)
• Sadducees on Levirate marriage (Matthew 22:24; Mark 12:19)
• Parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man (Luke 16:29, 31)
• Moses is accuser of Pharisees (John 5:45-46)
• Law of Moses to be observed (John 7:23)
• Moses commanded adulteress be stoned (John 8:5)
• Disciples of Moses (John 9:28-29)
• Stephen accused of blasphemy against Moses (Acts 6:11, 14)
• Stephen relates history of Moses (Acts 7:20-44)
• Circumcision taught by Moses (Acts 15:1, 5)
• Paul accused of turning people from Moses (Acts 21:21)
• Quotes Moses positively (Romans 9:15; 10:5, 19; 1 Corinthians 9:9)
• Baptized into Moses in the cloud (1 Corinthians 10:2)
• Veil over Moses' face (2 Corinthians 3:7, 13, 15)
• Jannes and Jambres (Egyptian magicians) opposed Moses (2 Timothy 3:8)

I can't help you if you are going to be puffed up.

 

[Zinzerio]

Holy Moses
17 After six days Jesus took with him Peter, James and John the brother of James, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. [SUP]2 [/SUP]There he was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and his clothes became as white as the light. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Just then there appeared before them Moses and Elijah, talking with Jesus.

 

[Tintin]

Moses is not the lawgiver

that is a satanic myth given through hollywood

Isa 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.

you really ought to turn off your tv and get rid of it, it screws up your mind.

Haha! What is this nonsense? The only good thing about your post is the Bible verse you've included.
I suggest you throw away your computer. First, it would do us a world of good. Secondly, it has access to far more evil than TV.

 

[Zinzerio]

Moses at the Burning Bush
…4When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am." 5Then He said, "Do not come near here; remove your sandals from your feet, for the place on which you are standing is holy ground." 6He said also, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." Then Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.…

Acts 7:33
"Then the Lord said to him, 'Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground.

2 Peter 1:18
We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

Exodus 19:21
and the LORD said to him, "Go down and warn the people so they do not force their way through to see the LORD and many of them perish.

Deuteronomy 23:14
For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.

Joshua 5:15
The commander of the LORD's army replied, "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy." And Joshua did so.

Ecclesiastes 5:1
Guard your steps when you go to the house of God. Go near to listen rather than to offer the sacrifice of fools, who do not know that they do wrong.

Jeremiah 30:21
Their leader will be one of their own; their ruler will arise from among them. I will bring him near and he will come close to me-- for who is he who will devote himself to be close to me?' declares the LORD.

 

[Timeline]

Ez 20
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Also I swore to them in the wilderness that I would scatter them among the nations and disperse them among the lands, [SUP]24 [/SUP]because they had not observed My ordinances, but had rejected My statutes and had profaned My sabbaths, and their eyes were on the idols of their fathers. [SUP]25 [/SUP]I also gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live; [SUP]26 [/SUP]and I pronounced them unclean because of their gifts, in that they caused all their firstborn to pass through the fire so that I might make them desolate, in order that they might know that I am the Lord.”’

God says here that He gave them statutes that were not good - Do you believe that they were not good?

Of course they were good, but they were unachievable by men! It was not that the Law that was not good, but that the flesh is weak.

If a bird were to give us instruction could we fly? If we were gently pushed out of the nest we would fall on our face - And that is what happened to Israel. And that is why Jesus was always the plan. To fulfill/satisfy the Law, because we can't.

Just food for thought.

 

[didymos]

Moses didn't 'give' the Law, he merely passed it on. Ultimately it came from God.

 

[Zinzerio]

If a bird were to give us instruction could we fly? If we were gently pushed out of the nest we would fall on our face - And that is what happened to Israel.
Just food for thought.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You saw what I, the Lord, did to the Egyptians and how I carried you as an eagle carries her young on her wings, and brought you here to me. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Now, if you will obey me and keep my covenant, you will be my own people

 

[Zinzerio]

Israel at Mount Sinai
…3Moses went up to God, and the LORD called to him from the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob and tell the sons of Israel: 4You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings, and brought you to Myself. 5'Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be My own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is Mine;…


Revelation 12:14
The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach.

Deuteronomy 29:2
Moses summoned all the Israelites and said to them: Your eyes have seen all that the LORD did in Egypt to Pharaoh, to all his officials and to all his land.

Deuteronomy 32:11
like an eagle that stirs up its nest and hovers over its young, that spreads its wings to catch them and carries them aloft.

Isaiah 40:31
but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

Haggai 2:5
This is what I covenanted with you when you came out of Egypt. And my Spirit remains among you. Do not fear.'

Malachi 2:10
Do we not all have one Father? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?

 

[Zinzerio]

holy moses
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy of the leaders of Israel went up the mountain [SUP]10 [/SUP]and they saw the God of Israel. Beneath his feet was what looked like a pavement of sapphire, as blue as the sky. wow

 

[john832]

While I agree with your ultimate conclusion of the Law being given by God and not Moses, I think the definition of Moses as a "keeper" of the Law is a bit vague. I think your thread title probably makes more sense in that Moses was the "go-between" between God and man.

Moses was a type of Jesus Christ. A shadow...

Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;