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1) Jn 10:27 Christ sheep are in God's hand and God is faithful to those sheep not to allow them to be snatched away for those sheep are faithful in their hearing and following Christ. Eternal security is not even in the context of Jn 10:27,28 but must be added to God's word thereby perverting the context.
2) Jn 17:11,12 Judas was one that Christ kept but Judas ended up lost.
3) The church at Ephesus were sealed, Eph 1:13 but became unsealed, Rev 2:1-7
4) God created the heavens and earth but they are not eternal, 2 Pet 3:10-12. Salvation is eternal for those Christians that remain faithful unto death, Rev 2:10. Those that become unfaithful will be lost.
5) as long as I faithfully walk in the light Christ's blood cleanses me from all sins, 1 Jn 1:7. That faithful walking must be unto death.
How many sins that one will not repent of will he carry into heaven with him? None for he will carry all those unrepented sins with him into eternal condemnation.
2) Jn 17:11,12 Judas was one that Christ kept but Judas ended up lost.
3) The church at Ephesus were sealed, Eph 1:13 but became unsealed, Rev 2:1-7
4) God created the heavens and earth but they are not eternal, 2 Pet 3:10-12. Salvation is eternal for those Christians that remain faithful unto death, Rev 2:10. Those that become unfaithful will be lost.
5) as long as I faithfully walk in the light Christ's blood cleanses me from all sins, 1 Jn 1:7. That faithful walking must be unto death.
How many sins that one will not repent of will he carry into heaven with him? None for he will carry all those unrepented sins with him into eternal condemnation.
2 Cor 1:22 "Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts"
Eph 1:13 "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise"
The "us" in 2 Cor 1:22 and the "ye" in Eph 1:13 both refer to the group "Christian". So it is the GROUP that is sealed for not one single individual outside of the group "Christian" is sealed unconditionally. So as long as one conditionally, faithfully remains within this GROUP "Christian" he is sealed. IF he becomes unfaithful and unrepentant he will no longer be in the GROUP that is sealed.
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if this is truth, then there was no need for Yeshua on the cross for us. In the whole First Testament from Adam on, not one could be perfect, and only belief (Faith) was ever counted for ritghteousness. Even Job stated this in Job 19:25, I know my redeemer lives and will stand on the earth in later days, and today this is done in Yeshua. Chirst divorced us from our sins so that we can be married to Father and get te free gift in Sirit and truth of new life to walk by Faith as Churast already did
Savior-Deniers Explain These -- Better Just Believe Them!
Greetings all Ye Who cannot bring yourself to trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal destiny, who dismiss the Savior making Him a mere chance-giver. You are invited to repent of that sin & to trust the Savior.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ, the author & perfecter of our faith!
Greetings all Ye Who cannot bring yourself to trust the Lord Jesus with your eternal destiny, who dismiss the Savior making Him a mere chance-giver. You are invited to repent of that sin & to trust the Savior.
Thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.
Jehovah redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Col 3
When Christ, who is our life, shall be manifested, then you also with him shall be manifested in glory.
2 Thes 2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
End of Rom 8:
And we know that to them that love God all things work together for good, even to them that are called according to his purpose. For whom
he foreknew,
he also foreordained to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren: and whom
he foreordained, them
he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom
he justified, them
he also glorified.
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? 3He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not also with him freely give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth; who is he that condemneth? It is Christ Jesus that died, yea rather, that was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? Even as it is written,
For thy sake we are killed all the day long;
We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
< 1 Pet 1
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
THE OVERCOMER
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of the throne saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he shall dwell with them, and they shall be his peoples, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God: and he shall wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more; neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain, any more: the first things are passed away. And he that sitteth on the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he saith, Write: for these words are faithful and true. And he said unto me, They are come to pass. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes shall inherit these things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But for the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their part shall be in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.
< 2 Tim 4:18
The Lord will deliver me from every evil work, and will save me unto his heavenly kingdom;
Rm 6:23b
the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
John 6:37
All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Corinthians 1:22
And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Philippians 1:6
And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ, the author & perfecter of our faith!
First of all note that the doctrine of eternal security concerns salvation. Salvation is the loving Savior helping sinners, changing them to God's children; giving them the free gift of eternal life.
Now in you passage about salvation is not mentioned. Neither is eternal life mentioned. My impression is that Ezekiel 33 speaks about physical death, a different subject. Physical death can even be the means of eternal security, not being damned. The body is destroyed so that the spirit may be saved.
But really, if you want to discuss the topic of eternal security, you need to focus on verses that have such words as Savior, save(s), and salvation. Judgment is a different topic from salvation.
Now in you passage about salvation is not mentioned. Neither is eternal life mentioned. My impression is that Ezekiel 33 speaks about physical death, a different subject. Physical death can even be the means of eternal security, not being damned. The body is destroyed so that the spirit may be saved.
But really, if you want to discuss the topic of eternal security, you need to focus on verses that have such words as Savior, save(s), and salvation. Judgment is a different topic from salvation.
The above passage (Ezekiel 33:12,13,18) is a Scriptural passage which is pointed Doctrinally at the Nation of Israel.
Therefore, Ezekiel 33 is not written Doctrinally to born again Christians.
Notice in verse 12, Ezekiel is referred to as son of man, and he is to give the word of the LORD to the children of his people (Israel). To Jews.
When reading a passage of Scripture it is important and crucial to rightly divide the word of truth.
In the Old Testament, they were saved by doing the works of the Law. And also, for the most part, there was no Eternal Security in the Old Testament.
No one was ever saved by doing good works, for there is none righteous, no not one. And all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags. There is only one way of salvation in the Bible, namely trusting YHWH, though now we understand the Trinity & thus focus the faith on the Lord Jesus.
Yes, there was eternal security in Old Testament times. Salvation has always been salvation.
ps 34
YHWH redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
Compare
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
Yes, there was eternal security in Old Testament times. Salvation has always been salvation.
ps 34
YHWH redeems the soul of his servants;
And none of them who take refuge in him shall be condemned.
Ps 52
But as for me, I am like a green olive-tree in the house of God:
I trust in the lovingkindness of God for ever and ever.
I will give thee thanks for ever, because thou hast done it;
Compare
1 Thes 5 end:
"And the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved entire, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Faithful is He Who calls you, Who will also do it.
SeaBass, what God's promises require is man believing them & trusting them.
O ye of little faith.
God is not a man that He should lie,
Neither the son of man that He should repent;
Hath He said & shall He not do it?
Or hath He spoken & it not come to pass?
Behold, I have received commandment to bless,
& He hath blessed, & I cannot reverse it;
For God is not a man that He should lie;
Neither the son of man that He should repent.
O ye of little faith.
God is not a man that He should lie,
Neither the son of man that He should repent;
Hath He said & shall He not do it?
Or hath He spoken & it not come to pass?
Behold, I have received commandment to bless,
& He hath blessed, & I cannot reverse it;
For God is not a man that He should lie;
Neither the son of man that He should repent.
Mt 7:21 he that DOETH he will of the Father enter the kingdom
Heb 5:9 Christ saves those that OBEY Him.
1 Jn 3:10 he that DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God
Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Jn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Jn 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
"Doeth" being the opposite of "worketh not"
Heb 5:9 Christ saves those that OBEY Him.
1 Jn 3:10 he that DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God
Mt 7:24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mt 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Jn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Jn 9:31 Now we know that God heareth not sinners: but if any man be a worshipper of God, and doeth his will, him he heareth.
"Doeth" being the opposite of "worketh not"
James 4:17 "Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin."
The Christian must do good works to keep from sinning for no good works = sin = eternal condemnation. So doing good works keep the Christian saved/out of sin. IF the Christian does no good works he sins becoming lost.
The Christian must do good works to keep from sinning for no good works = sin = eternal condemnation. So doing good works keep the Christian saved/out of sin. IF the Christian does no good works he sins becoming lost.