Illegal Aliens

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Anonimous

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I am completely against beings from another planet coming here...legal or not...
 

VCO

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I know, we not help people to break the rule. It is not the will of God. But love them.

Don't make hate command. Teach them not to break the law with love. Teach them that breaking the law is not for his benefit. . . .
Insisting that people go by rules is not HATE, it is tough Love. You do it with your own Children. At least I hope and pray you do.

Please READ my post #118 on this thread on page 6.
 

Jackson123

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Insisting that people go by rules is not HATE, it is tough Love. You do it with your own Children. At least I hope and pray you do.

Please READ my post #118 on this thread on page 6.
I myself still in the learning process, A lot of time I fail. I still hate people that harm me. I know it's shame. Jesus the big boss, make Himself available to be humiliated in the cross and still love his killer, who am I, mad to other that harm me.

I agree that we have to teach illegal to go by rule. But as a christian, I believe we do it with love. We have to disregard our losses cause by illegal, but we do it for their benefit, so they know to fear to the Lord and the Lord will bless them in the end of the day.

I know it not easy, I not able to do it yet. But it is what the bible teach us to do.

Say we tell illegal to go by the rule, but our motivation is, so they not harm us. It mean our motivation is not because we love them but because we love our self. I admit, after investigate myself, this is what I do. I know it's not the will of God, I still cray to the Lord, please, give me a power to love other. I am so self center and I know it is not the will of God at all.


In line with my aging, I realized it must be change, for preparation to meet with My Lord Jesus Christ, I must be more and more like Him rather then like myself.

I know in your post, some people do accept illegal not because he love them but because cheaper, for more profit.

In the end of the day the Lord will say, Well done my servant, when I am a stranger your help me.
 

VCO

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I myself still in the learning process, A lot of time I fail. I still hate people that harm me. I know it's shame. Jesus the big boss, make Himself available to be humiliated in the cross and still love his killer, who am I, mad to other that harm me.

I agree that we have to teach illegal to go by rule. But as a christian, I believe we do it with love. We have to disregard our losses cause by illegal, but we do it for their benefit, so they know to fear to the Lord and the Lord will bless them in the end of the day.

I know it not easy, I not able to do it yet. But it is what the bible teach us to do.

Say we tell illegal to go by the rule, but our motivation is, so they not harm us. It mean our motivation is not because we love them but because we love our self. I admit, after investigate myself, this is what I do. I know it's not the will of God, I still cray to the Lord, please, give me a power to love other. I am so self center and I know it is not the will of God at all.


In line with my aging, I realized it must be change, for preparation to meet with My Lord Jesus Christ, I must be more and more like Him rather then like myself.

I know in your post, some people do accept illegal not because he love them but because cheaper, for more profit.

In the end of the day the Lord will say, Well done my servant, when I am a stranger your help me.
And my point is if you have to break an immigration law to show what you think is Christian Love, you have an unbiblical definition of Christian Love and are trying to whitewash a sin on your part.

Matthew 22:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They said to Him, "Caesar's." And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

That certainly would include obedience to immigration laws.
 
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Ukorin

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i support libertarian isolationism from a political perspective, but I regularly help illegal immigrants get greencards, and help them to get out of the underworld of society.

i support the government cracking down on the borders, but i also support citizens having compassion.

as in all civil matters, I believe that the people should be generous, charitable, and communal,
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the government should be stingy, unsympathetic, and isolatory.
 
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Ukorin

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go ahead and patrol the borders, but i don't ever want to hear about another US citizen's property being invaded by Immigration, looking for illegals.

they take too many liberties away from us. now they just have another excuse to randomly walk into any home they want.
 

Jackson123

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And my point is if you have to break an immigration law to show what you think is Christian Love, you have an unbiblical definition of Christian Love and are trying to whitewash a sin on your part.

Matthew 22:21 (NKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They said to Him, "Caesar's." And He said to them, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

That certainly would include obedience to immigration laws.
It is the will of God to follow the law of the land, as long as the law of the land in line with the bible.

In communist country where worship the Lord is forbidden, Christian break the law of the land. And if authority ask you who and where is your pastor, do you tell them in order to follow the law? Hide what so call fugitive is break the rule.

Our government is not here, we are heavenly bound.

Anyway, If you report illegal because deep in your heart you love them I think it is OK with Him.

If you do it because you heat them and because you love yourself I don't think it is the will of the Lord.

The Lord see what is in your heart.
 

PennEd

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I have heard what happens to illegal aliens and how a lot are treated. i also know that they are hard working willing to work for low pay and are happy just to be in america. I could have sworn this country was called the land of the free but maybe I was mistaken. Why is there such a problem allowing illegal aliens to live and work here and to be treated with the same kindness and fairness? Jesus loves them just as much as us right? i noticed how even in the bible there were ppl who were treated less than others like servants or slaves and i guess I figured since this is the 20th century we were past all that. i mean this country was founded on Christian values, i just dont think this is what the founding fathers had in mind
This is a classic one dimensional thought process post.

When you, or someone you love, wonders why they can't get a raise, has their wages lowered, or outright gets fired, please blame no one but yourself and others who support illegal aliens. When your real estate, and school taxes skyrocket and 35 kids are in a classroom, when your prison system is overwhelmed to the point of releasing criminals, when your kids contract various diseases from illegals, when your social welfare safety net breaks, when more and more of daily life is conducted in spanish, and a litany of other consequences arise please blame yourself.

There is a legal process for people to enter the U.S. and become citizens, and I fully support people coming here in that fashion.
Ask yourself WHY these people are coming here. Doesn't it make sense to transform THEIR countries so they can be prosperous too rather than turn our country into the socialist-dictatorlike nations they fled from? We are the most charitable nation on earth by a long shot. Myself, and my Church go to some of these countries personally with our time and resources. The idea that if we don't let everybody and anybody in we are un-Christian is absurd and frankly, insulting.
 

maxwel

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When nice, decent Mexicans come here to live and work without permits, they are defined as "illegal".
It seems very unfair.

However, if YOU went to THEIR country to live and work without permits...
YOU WOULD ALSO BE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN, AND YOU WOULD BE DEPORTED!
(Possibly you'd just be thrown in jail... and left there a very long time.)

No nation on earth lets people immigrate willy-nilly without some kind of process.


We may have bad policies right now.
We probably need better policies.

But we do need policies of some kind.
 

Jackson123

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This is a classic one dimensional thought process post.

When you, or someone you love, wonders why they can't get a raise, has their wages lowered, or outright gets fired, please blame no one but yourself and others who support illegal aliens. When your real estate, and school taxes skyrocket and 35 kids are in a classroom, when your prison system is overwhelmed to the point of releasing criminals, when your kids contract various diseases from illegals, when your social welfare safety net breaks, when more and more of daily life is conducted in spanish, and a litany of other consequences arise please blame yourself.

There is a legal process for people to enter the U.S. and become citizens, and I fully support people coming here in that fashion.
Ask yourself WHY these people are coming here. Doesn't it make sense to transform THEIR countries so they can be prosperous too rather than turn our country into the socialist-dictatorlike nations they fled from? We are the most charitable nation on earth by a long shot. Myself, and my Church go to some of these countries personally with our time and resources. The idea that if we don't let everybody and anybody in we are un-Christian is absurd and frankly, insulting.
it is complicated If the company pay higher wage, it cost more for the product. Than he can't compete with Mexican product then they move to mexico and no Job in US.

It Global system for the benefit of the corporation. not for small guy like us.

Let say the company not hire illegal, then he must sale high price for his product, than no body buy, than the company either close or move to mexico.
 

know1

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I could have sworn this country was called the land of the free but maybe I was mistaken.
You are.
It was the land of the free, but many of the freedoms we once had, are no more, and it is going to ge worse before it gets better.
 

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You are.
It was the land of the free, but many of the freedoms we once had, are no more, and it is going to ge worse before it gets better.
I got news for you, "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!"










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Jackson123

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You are.
It was the land of the free, but many of the freedoms we once had, are no more, and it is going to ge worse before it gets better.
It will not get better before the King of king take over.
 

Angela53510

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This post sparked my memory! My great-grandfather was an illegal alien. He was a salilor and jumped ship in Halifax, Nova Scotia. He did not break any laws, worked hard all his life and paid taxes. He raised his children the same way, and his grandchildren raised their children the same way, etc! His son, my grandfather, fought in the trenches of WWI. His grandson was a summa cum laude research chemist, moved legally to the US, where he made valuable discoveries of new medications!

Actually, I'm rather glad he left his home in Norway, jumped ship and settled in New Brunswick, or I wouldn't be here!

PS we also have an illegal alien problem. Chinese are flown into Seattle, then smuggled in tunnels across the American border, to slip into the country to live! I guess Americans somewhere are making money on illegal aliens! I saw a show on illegal Chinese slipping into Japan for years, until the economy picked up. This problem is not unique to the USA!
 

PennEd

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This post sparked my memory! My great-grandfather was an illegal alien. He was a salilor and jumped ship in Halifax, Nova Scotia. He did not break any laws, worked hard all his life and paid taxes. He raised his children the same way, and his grandchildren raised their children the same way, etc! His son, my grandfather, fought in the trenches of WWI. His grandson was a summa cum laude research chemist, moved legally to the US, where he made valuable discoveries of new medications!

Actually, I'm rather glad he left his home in Norway, jumped ship and settled in New Brunswick, or I wouldn't be here!

PS we also have an illegal alien problem. Chinese are flown into Seattle, then smuggled in tunnels across the American border, to slip into the country to live! I guess Americans somewhere are making money on illegal aliens! I saw a show on illegal Chinese slipping into Japan for years, until the economy picked up. This problem is not unique to the USA!

Nice story Angela, however to compare Canada's illegal alien problem to America's is laughable. We have more illegal aliens than your entire nation's total population! Would you be willing to have 30 million people invade your country right now?
 

know1

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I got news for you, "FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!"
And what happens when marshal law is enforced and the US become a police state?
You still going to say those words to me and fight?
Most wars we didn't have to fight for our freedom. The only real wars that I know of that was for our freedoms was the one from the British and the civil war.
The others were for national security at best, I believe.
 

Jackson123

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And what happens when marshal law is enforced and the US become a police state?
You still going to say those words to me and fight?
Most wars we didn't have to fight for our freedom. The only real wars that I know of that was for our freedoms was the one from the British and the civil war.
The others were for national security at best, I believe.
Real freedom is when Jesus in our heart.
 

VCO

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And what happens when marshal law is enforced and the US become a police state?
You still going to say those words to me and fight?
Most wars we didn't have to fight for our freedom. The only real wars that I know of that was for our freedoms was the one from the British and the civil war.
The others were for national security at best, I believe.

This should answer your FALSE conspiracy theory phobias:


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NO, YOU ARE WRONG.
No matter how ungreatful SOME people are,
No matter how many lined up to spit at us as we came home during the Vietnam Era,
No matter how many un-American speeches they want to spout, and
No matter how many phony Government Conspiracy theories they want to believe,
WE SERVED TO PRESERVE YOUR RIGHT TO BELIEVE AND SAY WHAT EVER YOU WANT,
NO MATTER HOW WRONG YOUR ARE. ASK ANY VET!
 

VCO

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And what happens when marshal law is enforced and the US become a police state?
You still going to say those words to me and fight?
Most wars we didn't have to fight for our freedom. The only real wars that I know of that was for our freedoms was the one from the British and the civil war.
The others were for national security at best, I believe.

AND ONE MORE:

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know1

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This should answer your FALSE conspiracy theory phobias:

NO MATTER HOW WRONG YOUR ARE. ASK ANY VET!
Conspiracy?!
Aren't you taking that a little too far?
The freedoms that will be taken will not be from outside the US from foreign nations by force, but from within through policies.
The freedoms that have been taken away have been done so by the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the US government that write the laws of this land. It is the laws that have been enacted that have taken away many of our freedoms. Like someone chipping away at a big stone till there ain't no more stone to chip away.
You say, "...ASK ANY VET"? Well I did, and this vet just told you contrary.