The ark saves

[granpa]

because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit, in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach,
who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water; The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth. Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,
who is at the right hand of God, having gone on to heaven -- messengers, and authorities, and powers, having been subjected to him

the ark represents the Holy Spirit. You need to be baptized by the Holy Spirit in order to get a spiritual ark in order to undergo the spiritual baptism of spiritual water (without getting wet as it were). That also explains the connection with the resurrection of Jesus.

 

[IAm3rd]

sigh......

What disturbing translation did that come from ?

Stay away from "bibles" that insert interpretation directly into the text.

 

[granpa]

here is the original greek

 

[SeaBass]

The OT type to NT antitype Peter is making:

The OT type: saved by water (flood)
NT antitype: saved by water (baptism)

The antitype is a mirror reflection of the type. The world was not flooded with "spirit" nor Noah saved by "spirit" but literal water. So the antitype cannot be "spirit" but must reflect the OT type: water.

 

[jdbear]

Isn't it kind of weird how Peter says 8 souls were saved by water when the water was the destructive force? The Ark actually saved them.

 

[granpa]

an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water;

 

[ROEH]

because also Christ once for sin did suffer -- righteous for unrighteous -- that he might lead us to God, having been put to death indeed, in the flesh, and having been made alive in the spirit, in which also to the spirits in prison having gone he did preach,
who sometime disbelieved, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water; The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth. Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,
who is at the right hand of God, having gone on to heaven -- messengers, and authorities, and powers, having been subjected to him

the ark represents the Holy Spirit. You need to be baptized by the Holy Spirit in order to get a spiritual ark in order to undergo the spiritual baptism of spiritual water (without getting wet as it were). That also explains the connection with the resurrection of Jesus.

​Say what?!!!!

 

[SeaBass]

Isn't it kind of weird how Peter says 8 souls were saved by water when the water was the destructive force? The Ark actually saved them.

God could use the water in more than one way. One way God used the water was to destroy that wicked, disobedient world but at the same time God used the water to lift the ark to safety from the destruction. Had the water not lifted the ark then it would have remained under water and all occupants destroyed. God also used the water to save Noah from that wicked generation. By destroying that wicked generation, Noah could exit the ark into a new "clean" "fresh" world with a new life apart from the wickedness that once engulfed the world. So as water separated Noah from the lost world, water baptism separates the saved from the lost.

Peter did not say Noah was saved by "water alone". Heb 11:7 "By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith." Noah was saved by a combination of water and his obedient faith. To be saved Noah had to do the work of building and entering the ark. For us today, we are saved by obediently entering Christ by water baptism Gal 3:27.

 

[dcontroversal]

The OT type to NT antitype Peter is making:

The OT type: saved by water (flood)
NT antitype: saved by water (baptism)

The antitype is a mirror reflection of the type. The world was not flooded with "spirit" nor Noah saved by "spirit" but literal water. So the antitype cannot be "spirit" but must reflect the OT type: water.

That is where your COC doctrine gets confused...

Separated by water is what is being taught and in like manner BAPTISM is our PUBLIC testimony and separates us PUBLICALLY from unbelievers........and IDENTIFIES us with JESUS....one day too late you will figure this out.....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Isn't it kind of weird how Peter says 8 souls were saved by water when the water was the destructive force? The Ark actually saved them.

You are correct and COC teaches their water salvation...hence his view.....which is contrary by the way....!

 

[granpa]

The antitype is a mirror reflection of the type. The world was not flooded with "spirit" nor Noah saved by "spirit" but literal water. So the antitype cannot be "spirit" but must reflect the OT type: water.

Indeed the world was not flooded with spirit. It was flooded with water.
The ark represents the Spirit and it is the Spirit that saves.

, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water; The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth. Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

 

[SeaBass]

You are correct and COC teaches their water salvation...hence his view.....which is contrary by the way....!

So you agree with jdbear that what Peter wrote BY INSPIRATION was "weird".

 

[SeaBass]

Indeed the world was not flooded with spirit. It was flooded with water.
The ark represents the Spirit and it is the Spirit that saves.

, when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water; The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth. Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

"Saved by water" is the type to antitype Peter is making and not "saved by spirit".

 

[granpa]

Saved by the ark. The anti-type of the ark is the Spirit.

when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water; The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the physical ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth. Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

 

[sassylady]

I have always thought of the ark as a form of the Rapture to come.

 

[SeaBass]

Saved by the ark. The anti-type of the ark is the Spirit.

when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water; The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the physical ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth. Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

But Peter did not say they were saved by the ark, but he said "saved by water".

So "saved by water" (flood) is the OT type and therefore "saved by water" (baptism) is the NT antitype.

 

[granpa]

when once the long-suffering of God did wait, in days of Noah -- an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls, were preserved through water; The antitype of which (the spiritual counterpart of the physical ark) also now saves us -- immersing not flesh yet putting away filth. Granting a clear conscience unto God through the rising again of Jesus Christ,

 

[dcontroversal]

So you agree with jdbear that what Peter wrote BY INSPIRATION was "weird".

No...I disagree with your watered down salvation which is no salvation at all......!

While agreeing with his sarcasm and statement about the ARK which is the type of Jesus and the entire Ark being covered with PITCH inside and OUT which is representative of the BLOOD...NOT WATER......God did not say....when I see the BLOOD and WATER I will pass over you....HE clearly said....WHEN I SEE the BLOOD I WILL PASS OVER YOU......

Like I said...best thing you could do is chunk your COC watered down false gospel and believe what the bible actually teaches...

NOAH and family were saved by the ARK (BLOOD AND JESUS) and the WATER was the dividing line between those who perished and those who were preserved and in LIKE MANNER....The act of scriptural IMMERSION states PUBLICALLY that YOU have received JESUS and are a new creation in Christ JESUS.....THE WATER does not save or ADD to salvation, but rather is the PUBLIC declaration of FAITH into the COMPLETED work of Jesus...

Your running out of time to get it right, and as long as you follow CAMPBELL'S teachings it will take you some place you don't want to go to!

 

[granpa]

Holy Spirit = wine not blood


Leviticus 17 - “‘I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood, and I will cut them off from the people. For the life of the flesh [is] in the wine: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it [is] the wine [that] maketh an atonement for the soul. Therefore I say to the Israelites, “None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner residing among you eat blood.”

Matthew 26:28 - For this is my wine of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the wine of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Hebrews 9:14 - How much more shall the wine of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with wine; and without shedding of wine is no remission.

Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the wine of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Acts 20:28 - Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own wine.

Revelation 1:5 - And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own wine,

Romans 5:9 - Much more then, being now justified by his wine, we shall be saved from wrath through him.


Revelation 5:9 - And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy wine out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Colossians 1:20 - And, having made peace through the wine of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.

Revelation 7:14 - And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the wine of the Lamb.

 

[dcontroversal]

But Peter did not say they were saved by the ark, but he said "saved by water".

So "saved by water" (flood) is the OT type and therefore "saved by water" (baptism) is the NT antitype.

Lets use this logic to it's full conclusion....

So I guess saved always means saved by your theology.....

So, I guess women are SAVED by bearing children right? 1st Timothy 2:15

Or maybe Jesus was mistaken when he applied the word SAVED unto FLESH in the gospels account of the end and for the sake of the elect....FLESH and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God...

Or maybe the Pharisees misunderstood (saved) when the mocked Jesus about SAVING others, but not having the ability to SAVE his PHYSICAL LIFE while on the cross....

Oh, let me guess.......SAVED doesn't mean SAVED in the above texts mentioned......So what does the word SAVED actually mean...oh that's right is has some 7 different applications as found in the N.T.

Such as...to save, to PRESERVE, to PROTECT, to do well, to make whole, to deliver, be safe

and as applied unto Israel in Romans 10:1 To rescue, to deliver, to be in health to SAVE.......

What a joke........serious......!