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You are getting yourself in deeper and deeper. Now, because I do not believe that you are made a prophet by the Lord like the Lord made Moses and Elijah, etc. prophets, I am to be called anti-prophet! The Lord has a lot to say about people who do things like that. And because I believe in all of Christ, I am to be called by you (not by God) anti-Christ!! And still you want me to believe you are a prophet! Prophets don't do things like you are doing.
No, I am not saying you must believe I am a prophet. I am asking you to believe Christ is the Prophet.
You mean prophets do not call people on their sin, declare the counsel of God, stand up to those that attack God and His Christ, have predictive dreams and God speaks directly to them??

Yes, I've heard the voice and WORDs of God. Several times. Ah, but you have to take my word for it because I am not going to tell you what He said.
 
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Romans 2:11
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Thank you.

You miss the context in Peter's statement.

Genesis 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Some hard heads who lean on their own understanding would tell me God was having respect for the sacrifice, not the person and refuse/ignore/omit the underlined.
 
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I am SO glad you asked this because I thought I was the only one that ever asks this, and am usually looked down upon for doing so. I think it's a very loving thing to ask if you care about people's souls and where they will end up. For the bible says Christ has only one true church (bride), and that you must be in that body of believers.

So, I will answer for myself... "Yes, I am in a biblical church- the Church of Christ."...

SINGING OF PSALMS...
Yes, Colossians 3:16 says to sing songs, hymns, and spiritual songs. We do this in the worship assembly, and I do this at home. And even though I don't have the best voice I will sing even one portion of a lyric in a conversation with a brother or sister in Christ to remind them, or encourage them.

TEACHING....
Yes- whether by preaching or teaching, our church teaches the bible to others both in and out of the worship assembly. I come here to teach others the truth (go into all the world), I am an on again off again bible school teacher, I have taught my children, and continue to teach my children and whatever family and friends who are willing to hear, and as the bible says, the older women should teach the younger women. As a woman I will not teach over a saved man in our congregation or preach in the pulpit- as this is biblical. But yes, our church teaches. And in one way or another, I personally teach God's word every day, most of the time.

TONGUES and INTERPRETATION...
Yes- I often speak in groans that words cannot express lol, but the Spirit intercedes for me (Romans 8:26). We believe in a sermon everything must be interpreted in real languages because of Acts 2:8. If we have deaf people a man will stand off to the side in the front and put into sign language what the minister is saying in his sermon. We have purchased a bible for a member from Russia who did not understand English as well as the others, but she did understand most English like 90%. As a bible-school teacher both I myself and another have taught a deaf child with sign language. And if any other language situation comes up we would be sure to address that issue. After the minister reads a scripture in his sermon he interprets what that scripture means and how it effects us today. I have used visual aids and hands-on techniques to teach children the meanings of scripture- such as showing the light of a candle in a dark room. And when talking online I often give a parable illustration of what I am saying.

PROPHESY...
Yes- I, and my church prophesy all the time that Christ will return, among other things.

ENCOURAGE ONE ANOTHER...
Yes- We encourage one another by being in the assembly (Hebrews 10:25). We encourage one another with smiles, hugs, and handshakes, and sometimes with tears as if to say "I also feel your pain, you are not in this alone." We encourage one another with letters or cards in the mail. I personally encourage those who come forward because of a sin in their life by going up to them afterwards and letting them know I've been there and that I will pray for them, and that they can call me if they need to talk. I teach my children to use words that build others up instead of tear them down (Ephesians 4:29).

LORD"S SUPPER/LOVE FEAST...
Yes- We partake of the Lord's supper every first day of the week in the assembly of the saints. And I have personally gone with the minister to take the Lord's supper to those who could not make it to the assembly- whether they were sick at home, in the hospital, or in a nursing home. We take of the unleavened bread / cracker (without yeast which represents Christ's body without sin). We take of the pure fruit of the vine (grape juice only with nothing added in order to be pure- which represents Christ's pure innocent blood without sin). Right before hand we sing a song which has lyrics that take our minds to the purpose of the Lord's supper to promote self-examination of rightful intentions (1 Corithians 11:27).

SCRIPTURE READING...
Yes- Our church (no matter which congregation of it) always uses much scripture- both in and out of the assembly. Matter of fact, we have a reputation of knowing and using more scripture than other religions. The guy that wrote the book "Muscle and a Shovel mentioned that during his search for the one true church of the bible, while comparing many pamphlets, that the Church of Christ gave way more scripture to back their teachings than any other religion. Whether teaching others or reminding myself, I truly believe I can say that I use and go by scripture every single day of my life. Hebrews 8:10 "This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

PRAYER...
Yes- of course. Jesus said His church shall be a house of prayer (Matthew 21:13). Every single church gathering includes prayer. We pray for our sick, for our sick nation, for those in leadership to make Godly decisions, for growth, for understanding of the scripture, and for many other things. We pray both in and out of the assembly. I believe that when Jesus says to pray continually that He means that literally. Instead of thinking "What should I do today" I pray "God what do You want me to do today."

EXERCISE OF DISCERNMENT AND JUDGEMENT...
Yes- Although some have this talent more than others, we should all discern between spirits and judge between right and wrong. But we are not to judge someone's soul- to judge whether or not they should go to hell- that's God's job. But bad company corrupts good character (1 Cor. 15:33)- therefore we need to discern which spirits we should yoke with and which we should not. To discern between spirits Jesus tells us to know someone by their spiritual fruit- do they have the fruits of the Spirit? (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self- control) (Galatians 5:22,23) or the fruits of the evil one (sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery;20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like). (Galatians 5:19,20).

REPORTS AND BUSINESS...
YES- We make sure the church is following the bible, and correct each other in love if we are not. And report to the assembly if we find a congregation that we are involved with that is not following the bible. And we know we are to correct in private, if they don't listen we are to take a witness, if they still don't listen we are to bring it before the congregation.

WATER BAPTISM BY IMMERSION...
Yes- We know that sprinkling is "Ramteso" and immersion is "Bapteso" in the original language. And that also there is other evidence that shows that baptism was not sprinkling- there had to be much water (John 3:23) if sprinkling were the case you could just carry water with you. They went into the water- why is this necessary unless immersion was necessary? During baptism Jesus came up out of the water (Matthew 3:13-17) and immediately the Holy Spirit hovered LIKE a dove (it was not a dove, but hovered like a dove hovers) and this shows us we get the gift of the Holy Spirit at baptism (also backed by Acts 2:38)- again same point. We believe baptism saves (1 Peter 3:21). We believe that baptism is how we get into Christ and therefore into His life-saving blood (Romans 6:3,4).

LAYING ON OF HANDS...
Yes- I have seen the elders of the church lay their hands on a man in front of the congregation when they announced him to be a new elder or deacon. I have seen them lay their hands on someone's head in the hospital while praying for them. I have seen them lay their hands on someone's shoulder or shoulders while saying encouraging words to them.

PREACHING...
Yes- Every first day of the week we hear the minister preach scripture and interpret a sermon. The same minister teaches on Sunday night and Wednesday night.

SENDING MISSIONARIES...
Yes- We send missionaries, we have some out right now even as we speak. We also go into all the world via TV with our program "In Search of the Lord's Way" which airs on television and is streamed online through their website (searchtv.org) and through youtube, and through CD audio copies sent through the mail, and through mail correspondences in which viewers can answer biblical questions and receive feedback.

COLLECTIONS....
Yes- As commanded, we give each first day of the week according to how much we prospered that week, and according to the percentage that we decided to give in our hearts (1 Corinthians 16:2, 2 Corinthians 9:6).

REASONING AND PERSUADING OTHERS....
Yes- We evangelize to those who are willing to accept the message, and 'dust off our feet' to those who do not accept it (Matthew 10:14).

CONFESSIONS...
Yes- We publicly confess that we believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of the Living God right before we get baptized. We confess our faults one to another. We confess to God when we sin. We confess to everyone that we are not perfect, but are made perfect in Christ.

CHURCH TRIALS...
Yes- We go according to Matthew 18:15-17.

ADDITION of MEMBERS...
Yes- Christ adds members to His church- they are not voted in- because mankind is not the head of Christ's church- Christ is. Christ decides who is part of His church and who is not- we go only according to what He says.

FELLOWSHIP...
Yes- We have potlucks. We sometimes get together in each others homes. Sometimes members will meet a restaurant after church service. We have a phone directory with pictures of members so that anyone in the congregation can call anyone else in the congregation.

EXERCISE OF OTHER GIFTS...
Yes- 1 Corinthians 12: 4-11... 4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them.5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
James 5:16 "The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective." In this way we believe wondrous things happen, but we do not believe 'miraculous' miracles still occur- such as walking on water, and healing the crippled, deaf, and blind instantly. We believe that miracles had a purpose and that that purpose has been fulfilled. Miracles were to show that the old testament prophets were truly from God- otherwise who would believe them? That miracles were to show that Jesus truly was the prophesied Christ, and that His 12 apostles were really who they claimed to be. But now we have the complete word of God and no longer need miracles to prove anything.

ARE YOU IN A BIBLICAL CHURCH?...
Yes- How do I know? I studied the scriptures to make sure that what I believe and practice matches the bible. I follow Christ's doctrine undiluted. In the new testament Christ's church was called "The Way" (Jesus is the way the truth and the life (John 14:16) and it was also called the Church of Christ- and that is where i go- to the Church of Christ. (Romans 16:16)

WHAT YOU DID NOT MENTION...
And some that you didn't mention. We believe that Christ taught us what to do not only by words but by actions. For example, Christ did not get baptized for the remission of sins- He had no sin. He did it to show us what we must do- because He is our leader and we are to follow Him. Therefore, since there was no mention of a choir while He did His sermon on the mount, we do not have choirs- we believe it is division to separate a group of people, and wrongful for anyone to think, "God likes my voice better than yours," and that Jesus was against any kind of uniforms in His church (Matthew 23:5)- that we should be recognized by our love and good works. Since every time Christ sang with His disciples there were no instruments, we do not use man-made instruments. We are to commanded to use the "fruit of our lips" and "sing and make music in your hearts (Ephesians 5:19).
HEY! Everyone! A Biblical Christian! I have found a Biblical Christian!

If one's Christianity is not Biblical, then it is NOT Christianity!

Bottom line!

Good for you, sister!
 
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I am a Prophet, Priest and King, all made possible by the cross. We are joint heirs with Christ, meaning prophets, priest and kings just as David was.
And what did Moses say (prophesy)?


Numbers 11:29 (KJV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!

What did he say???!!!

Get down, Moses!
 
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In reference to
Romans 2:11
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
You said..

Thank you.

You miss the context in Peter's statement.

Genesis 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

Some hard heads who lean on their own understanding would tell me God was having respect for the sacrifice, not the person and refuse/ignore/omit the underlined.
Paul wrote that.
 
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In reference to


You said..



Paul wrote that.
Yes, I saw that it was Romans. I thought you were in Acts.
See. We are BOTH fallible :)

Do you now receive God is a respecter of persons?? Add it to your belief-system and support it.
 
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Is this really necessary, to treat this person this way?
Is it necessary for one to claim to be a prophet sent from God who contradicts Scripture? For one to say that if someone is against him then they are against Christ and ends his statement with the signature 'the Word of God', then yes, I will mock him in hopes he sees the severity of claiming to be a PROPHET FROM GOD while doing things of this sort. It is a serious matter in claiming to be God's mouthpiece and things like this happening........
 
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3) miraculous signs were for a certain time period and purpose and have ceased long ago as Paul said in 1 Cor 13; Eph 4.
Please explain from 1Cor. 13 and Eph. 4 where you have managed to make the Bible say that the miraculous is no longer for today. Also, please explain what level of the miraculous is no longer for today and what level is. I.e. Are there no more spiritual gifts; and have we lost the use of our spiritual discernment? Both of those are supernatural, but some Christians cut out the former and accept the latter. Please point out in the Scriptures you alluded to where it says that the supernatural-miraculous would pass away. I have posed this challenge to several others, because I want everyone who believes that the supernatural or miraculous disappeared with the end of the early Church to realize that the Scriptures do not say or hint that the miraculous would pass away but that you are believing [doctrines of demons and] things that are diametrically set up against God's purposes and plans for planet Earth through His Church. You are making your beliefs, opinions, and wisdom higher or more important than God's wisdom and opinion:

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments (beliefs, opinions, rationale, reasoning) and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought (belief, attitude) into captivity to the obedience of Christ" (2Cor. 10:4-5).

So, since you provided two particular passages, let's explore both of them together and look at the fact that they both bear witness that the miraculous, the supernatural, and everything that is God was in the past, is today, and will be forever. The Bible and the Spirit bear witness only to the truth, so let's look at what they say on this issue.
 
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RedTent and cfultz3, God has called Christians to judge not condemn. What's the difference? When the woman was caught in adultery, Jesus didn't deny she was guilty (i.e. He made a judgment that she was in fact guilty), but He did not allow others to condemn her nor did He condemn her. He judged her, but He didn't condemn her. If you think weepingprophet is a false prophet, you have already judged him; but to disdain or attack or malign him in posts is condemnation. If something you two were doing wrong in your lives was drawn into the public eye and you were crucified for it, you wouldn't appreciate it. The thing about condemning others, as was true with the Pharisees, is that when people condemn others, they feel more justified than when they do most other things wrong.

Only God has the right to attack or persecute a person for being wrong, because we are all wrong. This forum isn't supposed to be for picking and choosing who is wrong and then following them from thread to post, telling them they are wrong. In the NT, only religious Jews (Pharisees and the like) did that. Today, it is no different. You are entitled to your opinions (judgment) but not to sentencing others (condemnation) even if they were sinning the worst sins (e.g. again: the woman caught in adultery). Only God can sentence (condemn) as David said after he'd sinned a real bad one with Bathsheba and against her husband, one of his own close friends and warriors. (Ps. 51.) It is when you condemn ("judge not, lest you be judged," Jesus said) that you tell God He has the right to also condemn you; but the merciful obtain mercy.

Kerry also mentioned that every Christian-- i.e. everyone who is in Christ-- is a king and priest and prophet. All Christians are to be kings, priest, prophetic, and apostolic; therefore, it would make more sense to climb over anyone who calls himself a Christian (and therefore makes himself a king and a priest) than someone who only says he is a prophet. Leave people alone, because if a thing isn't of God, it won't go anywhere; but if it is of God, then it is God you're fighting against and not people. The struggle is spiritual-- satanic princes against people and people against God; it is not people against people.
 
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Please explain from 1Cor. 13 and Eph. 4 where you have managed to make the Bible say that the miraculous is no longer for today. Also, please explain what level of the miraculous is no longer for today and what level is. I.e. Are there no more spiritual gifts; and have we lost the use of our spiritual discernment? Both of those are supernatural, but some Christians cut out the former and accept the latter. Please point out in the Scriptures you alluded to where it says that the supernatural-miraculous would pass away. I have posed this challenge to several others, because I want everyone who believes that the supernatural or miraculous disappeared with the end of the early Church to realize that the Scriptures do not say or hint that the miraculous would pass away but that you are believing [doctrines of demons and] things that are diametrically set up against God's purposes and plans for planet Earth through His Church. You are making your beliefs, opinions, and wisdom higher or more important than God's wisdom and opinion:

"The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments (beliefs, opinions, rationale, reasoning) and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought (belief, attitude) into captivity to the obedience of Christ" (2Cor. 10:4-5).

So, since you provided two particular passages, let's explore both of them together and look at the fact that they both bear witness that the miraculous, the supernatural, and everything that is God was in the past, is today, and will be forever. The Bible and the Spirit bear witness only to the truth, so let's look at what they say on this issue.
The purpose of miraculous signs was to being about the complete, whole word of God. (The KJV uses the word "perfect" that means complete. whole). The signs were also used for confirmation of that word. Since the word of God was completed and confirmed by the apostles by the end of the first century, then those signs fulfilled their purpose so they ceased, vanished away as Paul said they would.


Not only is my proof in that the bible teaches miraculous signs have ceased, but proof also lies in the fact that 100% of the people I have met that claimed that God worked miraculous signs through could not perform a single one. O\They could only offered excuses as to their inability to do any.
I made the offer in other threads in times past and will make the offer here again that I will pay out of my pocket first class travel expenses (back and forth) to anyone who claims that God does miracles through them to come to city I work in to a 12 story, 1000+ bed hospital and empty it out. It will cost that person nothing but a little of their time......but what is a little time compared to all the human pain and suffering that will be ended?
 
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RedTent and cfultz3, God has called Christians to judge not condemn. What's the difference? When the woman was caught in adultery, Jesus didn't deny she was guilty (i.e. He made a judgment that she was in fact guilty), but He did not allow others to condemn her nor did He condemn her. He judged her, but He didn't condemn her. If you think weepingprophet is a false prophet, you have already judged him; but to disdain or attack or malign him in posts is condemnation. If something you two were doing wrong in your lives was drawn into the public eye and you were crucified for it, you wouldn't appreciate it. The thing about condemning others, as was true with the Pharisees, is that when people condemn others, they feel more justified than when they do most other things wrong.

Only God has the right to attack or persecute a person for being wrong, because we are all wrong. This forum isn't supposed to be for picking and choosing who is wrong and then following them from thread to post, telling them they are wrong. In the NT, only religious Jews (Pharisees and the like) did that. Today, it is no different. You are entitled to your opinions (judgment) but not to sentencing others (condemnation) even if they were sinning the worst sins (e.g. again: the woman caught in adultery). Only God can sentence (condemn) as David said after he'd sinned a real bad one with Bathsheba and against her husband, one of his own close friends and warriors. (Ps. 51.) It is when you condemn ("judge not, lest you be judged," Jesus said) that you tell God He has the right to also condemn you; but the merciful obtain mercy.

Kerry also mentioned that every Christian-- i.e. everyone who is in Christ-- is a king and priest and prophet. All Christians are to be kings, priest, prophetic, and apostolic; therefore, it would make more sense to climb over anyone who calls himself a Christian (and therefore makes himself a king and a priest) than someone who only says he is a prophet. Leave people alone, because if a thing isn't of God, it won't go anywhere; but if it is of God, then it is God you're fighting against and not people. The struggle is spiritual-- satanic princes against people and people against God; it is not people against people.
Hi Allin,

I am sorry but I did not sentence (condemn) him to Hell, I warned him of the road he was walking on, claiming that God Himself choose him to be His very own mouthpiece, but yet, there was much wanting from the one who would claim such. Having actually read his posts, I can say, without a doubt, He was not God's mouthpiece.

Mocked him? Yes. Should I have done that? Maybe not. But, hey, I did what was best at that moment. My concern was for his and those who would follow souls. Neither was Jim Jones or the Davidicans from God, but people nevertheless follow them to their death. And as you say and I totally agree, 'The struggle is spiritual-- satanic princes against people and people against God; it is not people against people'.

It is a very serious matter to speak falsely and claim at the same time to be God's very own mouthpiece.
 
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The purpose of miraculous signs was to being about the complete, whole word of God. (The KJV uses the word "perfect" that means complete. whole). The signs were also used for confirmation of that word. Since the word of God was completed and confirmed by the apostles by the end of the first century, then those signs fulfilled their purpose so they ceased, vanished away as Paul said they would.


Not only is my proof in that the bible teaches miraculous signs have ceased, but proof also lies in the fact that 100% of the people I have met that claimed that God worked miraculous signs through could not perform a single one. O\They could only offered excuses as to their inability to do any.
I made the offer in other threads in times past and will make the offer here again that I will pay out of my pocket first class travel expenses (back and forth) to anyone who claims that God does miracles through them to come to city I work in to a 12 story, 1000+ bed hospital and empty it out. It will cost that person nothing but a little of their time......but what is a little time compared to all the human pain and suffering that will be ended?
Again, please state where in 1Cor. 13 and Eph. 4 that Paul says that miracles would cease. We are to rely on the Bible as the first and final Word of God. State from the passages you yourself provided where Paul said that the miraculous would someday cease.

You said you would pay someone to come to your city and empty out a hospital. The same thing Jesus said to the Saducees applies to you: "You are in error, because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God" (Matt. 22:29). God does not do miracles because anyone asks (especially not for those who don't believe; reference your Bible again); He never did and never will. If you knew the Scriptures, you would have known this too. But since you apparently don't know that, how can you trust that you understand the Scriptures regarding miracles today or anything else? You don't know the Scriptures, therefore, you do not know (experience) the power of God.

When Jesus fed the 5,000, He did so because God wanted to do that miracle; but when they came seeking more miracles, He would not do any. Let's look at Jesus' attitude toward people who say, "Show us a sign, and then we will believe":

"The Pharisees and Sadducees came, and testing Him asked that He would show them a sign from heaven. He answered and said to them, '... A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign'" (Matt. 16:1-4).


When you come to God with unbelief, you won't receive anything from Him. While you think that your intelligence is above God's, He is the One laughing at you. Show me where in the passages you provided (or you can try to twist any passage and I can set it right for you) where Paul says that the miraculous would ever cease. But if you want to see miracles (not the ones you demand as if God cares what you want or what you believe), then you might ask kindly, and they will be shown to you. But if you walk around pridefully, saying that God cuts off a part of Himself (the miraculous) to comfort people who are afraid of the supernatural, then the laugh is on you. Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but when you trifle with what God's Word says, then it's time to hold you to the standard of that same Word. Produce your evidence from the Bible passages you referenced against miracles for today if you can.
 
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Hi Allin,

I am sorry but I did not sentence (condemn) him to Hell, I warned him of the road he was walking on, claiming that God Himself choose him to be His very own mouthpiece, but yet, there was much wanting from the one who would claim such. Having actually read his posts, I can say, without a doubt, He was not God's mouthpiece.

Mocked him? Yes. Should I have done that? Maybe not. But, hey, I did what was best at that moment. My concern was for his and those who would follow souls. Neither was Jim Jones or the Davidicans from God, but people nevertheless follow them to their death. And as you say and I totally agree, 'The struggle is spiritual-- satanic princes against people and people against God; it is not people against people'.

It is a very serious matter to speak falsely and claim at the same time to be God's very own mouthpiece.
Yes, it's serious to claim to speak for God or to speak from God. (The latter is about preaching, teaching, writing; the latter is about actions, attitudes, and lifestyle.) Anyone who claims to speak for or from God and doesn't is in a bad way and can deceive people. I know about the Davidians and lots of personality cults out there, who seem less dangerous, claiming to speak for and from God who don't. What I am saying is that it is no Christian's job to condemn (sentence) a person who is in the wrong. To know, acknowledge, or believe a person is wrong and share a concern is one thing; to attack, disdain, mock, and persecute the person is quite another.

I think it's more important to encourage people who are doing well than to attack people who aren't, better to promote people who are right than persecute people who are wrong. David was justified to attack and kill Saul who was personally persecuting and trying to kill him, and still the Holy Spirit convicted him for even thinking it. That was the OT; we are now living under a better and superior Covenant. If you're attacking someone who hasn't attacked you or persecuted or tried to kill you, the Holy Spirit who checked David in the OT for what he would be justified in doing, what does He think of you under a greater Covenant. We all know our standards for ourselves are basically bottom of the barrel; but God's standards for us have always been much higher than ours, and they never change.
 
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Yes, it's serious to claim to speak for God or to speak from God. (The latter is about preaching, teaching, writing; the latter is about actions, attitudes, and lifestyle.) Anyone who claims to speak for or from God and doesn't is in a bad way and can deceive people. I know about the Davidians and lots of personality cults out there, who seem less dangerous, claiming to speak for and from God who don't. What I am saying is that it is no Christian's job to condemn (sentence) a person who is in the wrong. To know, acknowledge, or believe a person is wrong and share a concern is one thing; to attack, disdain, mock, and persecute the person is quite another.

I think it's more important to encourage people who are doing well than to attack people who aren't, better to promote people who are right than persecute people who are wrong. David was justified to attack and kill Saul who was personally persecuting and trying to kill him, and still the Holy Spirit convicted him for even thinking it. That was the OT; we are now living under a better and superior Covenant. If you're attacking someone who hasn't attacked you or persecuted or tried to kill you, the Holy Spirit who checked David in the OT for what he would be justified in doing, what does He think of you under a greater Covenant. We all know our standards for ourselves are basically bottom of the barrel; but God's standards for us have always been much higher than ours, and they never change.
Thank you for the exhortation.

Weepingprophet, if you are reading, I am sorry to had treated you in that mocking way, I had only the saving of souls in mind. Please consider the consequences of claiming to be God's very mouthpiece....
 
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Yes, it's serious to claim to speak for God or to speak from God. (The latter is about preaching, teaching, writing; the latter is about actions, attitudes, and lifestyle.) Anyone who claims to speak for or from God and doesn't is in a bad way and can deceive people. I know about the Davidians and lots of personality cults out there, who seem less dangerous, claiming to speak for and from God who don't. What I am saying is that it is no Christian's job to condemn (sentence) a person who is in the wrong. To know, acknowledge, or believe a person is wrong and share a concern is one thing; to attack, disdain, mock, and persecute the person is quite another.

I think it's more important to encourage people who are doing well than to attack people who aren't, better to promote people who are right than persecute people who are wrong. David was justified to attack and kill Saul who was personally persecuting and trying to kill him, and still the Holy Spirit convicted him for even thinking it. That was the OT; we are now living under a better and superior Covenant. If you're attacking someone who hasn't attacked you or persecuted or tried to kill you, the Holy Spirit who checked David in the OT for what he would be justified in doing, what does He think of you under a greater Covenant. We all know our standards for ourselves are basically bottom of the barrel; but God's standards for us have always been much higher than ours, and they never change.
Perfect agape Love and correction brought about in perfect agape love is not always tip toeing through the tulips, especially when one claims to be a prophet.
 

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Again, please state where in 1Cor. 13 and Eph. 4 that Paul says that miracles would cease. We are to rely on the Bible as the first and final Word of God. State from the passages you yourself provided where Paul said that the miraculous would someday cease.
Three gifts were to cease according to 1 Cor 13:8. Only three and that when the perfect is come. The perfect which is widely held to be the completed canon of the scriptures. These were sign gifts given for the Jews not the Gentiles.

If miracles are answers to prayer then there are many miracles in the world today. God is wise and does not supply miracles just for the amusement of it. God often means for His saints to suffer and even die to demonstrate His goodness.

For the cause of Christ
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Perfect agape Love and correction brought about in perfect agape love is not always tip toeing through the tulips, especially when one claims to be a prophet.
"Many claim to have unfailing Love (agape), but a faithful (agape) man who can find" (Pro. 20:6). Since not a single one of us has agape Love, we should never cast stones and class people according to our standards. There were people around Jesus' time who claimed they were the Messiah and Jesus didn't pay them any attention or try to set them straight. Since He alone has agape Love, it's wise to follow His example with people who claim to be less.
 
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Three gifts were to cease according to 1 Cor 13:8. Only three and that when the perfect is come. The perfect which is widely held to be the completed canon of the scriptures. These were sign gifts given for the Jews not the Gentiles.

If miracles are answers to prayer then there are many miracles in the world today. God is wise and does not supply miracles just for the amusement of it. God often means for His saints to suffer and even die to demonstrate His goodness.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Roger, since you don't seem to be receiving revelation while reading the Scriptures, it's wise for you to consult the Greek on 1Cor. 13. 1Cor. 13:8 says, "Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away."

Since we are reasoning with our carnal minds, let's continue. If that passage says that the spiritual gifts of tongues, prophecy, and [word of] knowledge will cease, where does it say that the other six spiritual gifts (or the motivational gifts of Rom. 12:6-8 or the ministerial gifts of Eph. 4:11 and 1Cor. 12:28) will cease? It doesn't does it. What are we to do then? Roger, I wish you would realize that you are reasoning with your carnal mind here and therefore Scripture is forced to contradict itself all over the place. Unbelievers who say Scripture contradicts itself are right: when looking it at it through the carnal mind, it contradicts itself all over the place much worse than many Christians would like to admit. Scripture is only whole and perfect when it is allowed to interpret itself to us rather than us interpreting it from our reasoning and rationale:

"These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man (carnal mind in unbeliever and believer alike) does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, nor can he know (grasp, understand, realize, believe) them because they are spiritually discerned" (1Cor. 2:13-14).

If at any time at all you can interpret for me (or anyone) what those two short verses mean, then you are using spiritual discernment. Up till now, you are using your carnal reasoning ability/faculties in trying to discern or understand something that is spiritual and can only be understood spiritually. Your beliefs and thoughts will always make the Bible contradict itself until you learn to understand spiritual things from [a reborn spirit] rather than try to make sense of them in your mind. If the verse you produced only says two gifts are done away with, then where are the many others it doesn't mention. Please try not to waste your time; call on the Greek for help. If you don't understand things in the spirit, the Greek is always helpful. But by your own self, you are lost in the thickest wood and will not find your way out apart from the lamp (the Word) and the light (the Spirit) to guide you out. (Ps. 119:105, Lk. 1:78-79.)