A clear explanation of the Trinity

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Dagallen

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Spirits are not flesh, just as flesh is not spirit, who make us spirit ? God the Father, as all spirits goes back to God gave, as written in the scriptures.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Spirits are flesh, just as flesh is not spirit, who make us spirit ? God the Father, as all spirits goes back to God gave, as written in the scriptures.
LOL. Now your just making stuff up. :rolleyes:
 
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Dagallen

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Not making up anything, maybe you read the old text, however I didn't write the old text.
 
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Dagallen

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Eccledtiates 12:7 flesh goes back to dust, spirit goes back to God who gave it.
 
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popeye

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The trinity was a gentile belief, not a Jewish belief, Jesus was a Jew not a gentile, he warns us not to believe any other gospel, it's really just that simple. Great topic.
The trinity is s dynamic of God.

The father called the son " God",and the son was a Jew.

The father is not Jewish.

Where do you go with the facts.
 

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the spirit in man

- this is not Gods holy spirit it's mans,

1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth
the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

- science calls it youre concience, they can't see, or feel, or touch it, calling it human nature.

8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

- this it what imparts thought, it seperates mans brain and thoughts from animals instints,
but science cant understand it.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

-you could say a recording of your life returns to God, but without youre body it
knows nothing and it's not immortal or alive by itself - having no body means it has no
ears or mouth or eyes to see, or physical brain.

this spirit in man, that makes us 100 times more superiour to animals,
if combined with Gods Holy spirit makes man complete person with God.
 
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Dagallen

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Was the mother of Jesus a Jew ?
 
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Dagallen

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Was the mother if Jesus a Jew ?
 
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Dagallen

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Jesus is not God the Father, the writings says no such thing. The mother of Jesus was a Jew.
 
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Dagallen

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the spirit in man

- this is not Gods holy spirit it's mans,

1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth
the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

- science calls it youre concience, they can't see, or feel, or touch it, calling it human nature.

8 But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

- this it what imparts thought, it seperates mans brain and thoughts from animals instints,
but science cant understand it.

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

-you could say a recording of your life returns to God, but without youre body it
knows nothing and it's not immortal or alive by itself - having no body means it has no
ears or mouth or eyes to see, or physical brain.

this spirit in man, that makes us 100 times more superiour to animals,
if combined with Gods Holy spirit makes man complete person with God.
Where you say, you could say, you are just guessing, therefore adding and when you add, you take away. Where does ones spirit come from ? God ! As the soul has two parts, not one part.
 
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Eleazar

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-Jesus had Gods power, given from conception.

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).

-what about blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ? blaspheme is associated
with attributing Jesus works or [the power of God] to that of demons.

Hi Prove-all

For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).

These words were written by Luke 1:15 and deals with John the Baptist the reason he had to abstain from wine was because he was a Nazarite, ( Jesus wasn't)

The context in Luke 1:13 indicates thatit is referring to John not Jesus.
(Luke 1:13) . . .and your wife Elizabeth will become mother to a son to you, and you are to call his name John. . .
(Luke 1:15) . . .. But he must drink no wine and strong drink at all, and he will be filled with holy spirit right from his mother’s womb;

what about blasphemes against the Holy Spirit ? blaspheme is associated
with attributing Jesus works or [the power of God] to that of demons.

Some Dictionaries defines the spirit [Greek "pneuma" Hebrew "ruach"] as being a vital force or active force - or as you say the power of God- It certainly can be blasphemed against, however not exclusively by attributing it's outworking with Satan (which obviously is serious) but also by speaking against it or even purposly deviating from the truth it has revealed, as the example with Hy·me·nae′us, Alexander and Phi·le′tus demonstrates.

(2 Timothy 2:16-18) . . .But shun empty speeches that violate what is holy; for they will advance to more and more ungodliness, 17 ...... Hy·me·nae′us and Phi·le′tus are of that number. 18 These very [men] have deviated from the truth, .....
(1 Timothy 1:20) . . .Hy·me·nae′us and Alexander belong to these, and I have handed them over to Satan that they may be taught by discipline not to blaspheme. . .

This makes perfect sense since the Holy Spirit is God's personal force, going against it is paramount to going against God himself.
I think you will agree that Implying that this -or similar scriptures- somehow make the Holy Spirit a third person of a Trinity would have to be clearly documented with relevant scriptural references not man made opinions.
 

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Where you say, you could say, you are just guessing, therefore adding and when you add, you take away. Where does ones spirit come from ? God ! As the soul has two parts, not one part.

Man and animal are both breathing animals
The word “soul” is translated from Hebrew, the word nephesh.
The Hebrew nephesh merely means a breathing animal

animals are called nephesh in: Genesis 1:20, “moving creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:21, “great whales, and every living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh);
Genesis 1:24, “living creature” (Hebrew, nephesh).

The translators in translating into the English language used the English word “creature
but in Genesis 2:7 they translated the same nephesh into the English word “soul”

—man became a “living soul” (nephesh).

The word nephesh literally means “life of animals,” referring to physical life and not spirit
-Satan’s lie to mother Eve that man is immortal and cannot die.

In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground;
for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return
Therefore the soul is physical, composed of matter, and can die.
 
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Dagallen

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There is the flesh part of soul that dies, then there is the spiritual heart that does not die, when the spiritual heart or spirit rises, the flesh part of the soul dies, as flesh goes back to the dust, as spirit goes back to God who gave it for judgment of the spirit .
 
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There is the flesh part of soul that dies, then there is the spiritual heart that does not die, when the spiritual heart or spirit rises, the flesh part of the soul dies, as flesh goes back to the dust, as spirit goes back to God who gave it for judgment of the spirit .
What exactly is the flesh part of the soul? That's a new term for me. What scriptures do you have for this? Thanks.
 
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popeye

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There is the flesh part of soul that dies, then there is the spiritual heart that does not die, when the spiritual heart or spirit rises, the flesh part of the soul dies, as flesh goes back to the dust, as spirit goes back to God who gave it for judgment of the spirit .
And the resurrection? What is resurrected?
 

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In Greek, as in English, the word spirit is neuter—neither masculine nor feminine in gender.
Pneuma is the Greek word meaning “spirit.” It is always grammatically neuter, properly
represented by the English pronoun “it” (John 1:32; Romans 8:16).

The Greek parakletos (comforter) is masculine in gender, so translators used the personal
pronouns he and him for the Greek masculine pronouns. In many languages, a word’s gender
has nothing to do with whether the thing itself is literally male or female. For example,
the Spanish word mesa (table) is feminine. Gender in language is a mere grammatical tool.
 
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Dagallen

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The resurrection, is the resurrection of the spirit. The spirit rises, it is therefore resurrected from the grave but the grave is not resurrected, when the spirit is resurrected from the grave, the grave becomes the dead grave, which was once the living grave, when the spirit to resurrected from the grave, the spirit rises and is present before the Lord for judgment,. Once done, then spiritual judgment is complete for that spirit, worthy or unworthy, holy or unholy, as the spiritual judgment is final.
 
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Dagallen

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I wait not for the judgment of the flesh, as it already written in stone, instead I wait for the spiritual judgment, which for me is not yet but my hour will come.