A different angle

[garee]

The 3, Father, Son, & Holy Spirit, are 3 aspects of the same entity (God). Jesus was the physical manifestation of God in the flesh, but he said; "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9) and "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30).

So, one God... The trinity or tri-unity just describes the 3 attributes of a single Godhead, the 3 work and have always existed as one entity.

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth". Here, Elohiym is the plural form of God. Therefore, as scripture was inspired and man began to write the Word, it was evident to the writers that God was made of more than 1 Person, but at the same time there was one Godhead.

The Father is the unseen, omnipresent Source of all being, revealed in and by the Son, experienced in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.

Just as a person thinks, speaks, and acts, God is all knowledge, Christ is the expression and manifestation, and the Spirit is the action and deed. The 3 are united persona's of one entity that best describe the Godhead.

God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter between us and God .This means he is not a father and son as us.

He remains without mother or father beginning of days as literally born, or end of Spirit life as if he could literately die .

His eternal Spirit cannot be born again if he was not literally born the first time.

 

[Sac49]

Part of the problem i see when studying the "trinity" is a lack of study. Are we basing what we believe or understand on a particular verse, chapter or book of the Bible? Do we base our personal theology upon a specific verse. Do we "pick and choose"? This is a horrible way of determining our theology. The Bible is a whole and thus any subject should be studied as a whole.

A good example of this is the study of the attributes of God. Study His communicable attributes (those attributes which He shares with us). Look and see that God is love. So God is love and we see a loving God. But God is also just. God is mercy. So on and so on. Now look at His incommunicable attrinutes (those that pertain only to God). Omniscient, omnipotent ect. We dont just get these things from one passage but from the whole Bible.

So now to the divinity of Jesus. Where do we get this from? We get this from study of the Bible as a whole. If you were to study the attributes of God, the attributes of Jesus and the attributes of the Holy Spirit you will find that they each have communicable and incommunicable attributes. So by definition if Jesus and the Holy Spirit have an incommunicable attribute then they are God in some way. This is the theology of the trinity. To truly understand the divinity of Jesus i believe it a good thing to study the attributes of God and see how those incommunicable attributes align with Jesus proving His divinity and the second "personification" (i am mot sure if this is the best word to use here) of the trinity. Do the same with the Holy Spirit and you will also see this.

But first, before you study, you must pray as king Soloman did in Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding". Pray for guidance and understanding by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Dan58]

Let me ask you how did G-d speak and create the heaven and the Earth in 6 days? How is Genesis 1:1 true?... In the beginning G-d!?!

The bible doesn't say how old the earth is. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," It doesn't say when the beginning was, and note that verse one ends with a comma, not a period.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void" "Was" is the wrong English word here, there is no 'was' in Hebrew. The Massorah renders it "hayah" (Strong's Concordance ref #1961). Hayah means; "to become or came to pass". So verse 2 should read that "The earth became void and without form". So millions or billions of years could have passed between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis.

Some believe (myself included) that there are 3 earth ages. The first age is past, we are in the second age, and the third is yet to come. God completely annihilated and destroyed the first earth age, dinosaurs and all after Satan's rebellion (2 Peter 3:5-7 and Jeremiah 4:19-28). Note that in Genesis 1:28, God says "Replenish the earth", suggesting that it was inhabited before.

So imo, God did not create the world void and empty, it became that way. Then God formed it to be inhabited by mankind (Isaiah 45:18). Many Christians don't accept this interpretation, but it makes sense to me... jmo

 

[gdyloves]

I'm not going to insult you but these are typical "Sunday School" questions? Here I'll give you some other examples. If Jesus is God how come He prays to His Father? Or if Jesus is God how come He does not know the day of His own return? And this one that you just gave, "3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant."

Now, I want you to forget about the Trinity and focus on what the Bible explicitly says. Remember Jesus at Matthew 16:13-17 ask His disciples, "Who do men say that I am?" This is the important question, who is Jesus Christ? Again forget the Trinity for a moment and understand the whole Bible is about Jesus Christ. I could start at John 1:1-14 and other places but I want you to focus on Philippians 2:3-8 because it clearly explains or should I say easily reconciles your questions.

It starts out at vs1-4 where the Apostle Paul is explaint to the Philippian believers to be of the same mind, spirit, love and purpose because at vs3 they were being "selfish" and only thinking of themselves and "NOT" putting others first, sort of like in a marriage where you put your spouse first. Trust me this works because I have been married 50 years coming up in March.

Paul then at vs5 says, "have this attitude in yourselves which was ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS, vs6, WHO, although (that word although means in spite of the fact) He/Jesus EXSISTED IN THE FORM OF GOD OR AS GOD, did not regard equality with God His Father a thing to be grasped. (That means that Jesus Christ who is God did not take advantage of the prerogtives of His deity that belong to Him in the first place.) Instead, vs7, He emptied Himself, TAKING THE FORM OF A BOND-SERVANT/MAN being found in the likeness of men."

Vs8 is summing up. "And being in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." In short, Jesus who is God took the form of a man (for our sakes) and died on the cross that we may live and be with Him forever. If you read further down Paul tells us (vs9-11) that all men will eventually confess or bow down to Jesus Christ that He is Lord. If Jesus Christ is just a man like the rest of us God would NOT allow us to bow down and worship Him.

The highest form of worship (I believe) was when Thomas at John 20:28 said to Jesus Christ, "My Lord and my God." Does this all make sense to you? I am pressed for time right now but I will expound further on this issue by backing up from the "BIBLE" all that I have said. You can ask any questions your little heart desires and I will gladly address them or if others here want to "chime" in go for it.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Thank you for your apology. I also apologize for being ready to jump back at u so fast.

I'm gonna read the passages u mentioned and then have a reply.

50 years in March huh... Thats beautiful, God has blessed you both. Congratulations .

 

[gdyloves]

It all comes back to, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the other persons of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says "I" and "You" when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son, who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit, and who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods but one God. There are three individual subsistences or persons. BUT ONE GOD??
So I'm suppose to believe this and run with it, and turn the son of God who is my brother into the creator and Almighty God. Thats what im expected to do even though Trinitarian themself say they dont quite understand it?
And this is ok with everyone? Do u ever question anything that you have been taught

 

[bluto]

It all comes back to, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature, but each is not the totality of the other persons of the Trinity. Each has a will, loves, and says "I" and "You" when speaking. The Father is not the same person as the Son, who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit, and who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods but one God. There are three individual subsistences or persons. BUT ONE GOD??
So I'm suppose to believe this and run with it, and turn the son of God who is my brother into the creator and Almighty God. Thats what im expected to do even though Trinitarian themself say they dont quite understand it?
And this is ok with everyone? Do u ever question anything that you have been taught

Ok gdyloves let's try another approach that may be a little easier for you to undrstand. What you said here is exactly right. "The Father is not the same person as the Son, who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit, and who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods but one God. There are three individual subsistences or persons. BUT ONE GOD??"

You have the same exact nature as your parents with is human. Remember Jesus Christ at various times said He was the "Son of Man" and He also said He is the "Son of God." This was not idle talk. Jesus is the Son of man on His mothers side which would be human. He's the one and only Son of God on His Fathers side which would be deity.

Jesus has two natures, one on His Father's side and one on His mothers side. It the same thing with us except we do not have to natures. Like I said we have one nature with is human. Now, you are a "DISTINCT" person from your father and your mother, that is your not them and they are not you. It's the same thing with the Trinity. Each peson is distinct from each other but what makes them the one God is their nauture.

And it is your nature that separates you from all that is not human. It is God's nauture that separates Him from all that is not God. Birds have their nature, beavers produce other beavers and so on. This is also why at John 3:16 that Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of God. If you remember the Jews wanted to stone Jesus on numerous occasions because the accused Him of blasphemy. Please read John 5:18, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 19:7 and at the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26:59-67.

For example at John 5:17-18 it says, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, (why) because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but aslo was CALLING GOD HIS OWN FATHER, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD." The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming not only here but at all the other text I gave you. Now, this is not hard to understand but just in case you don't I will give you another alternate and simple answer.

Lastly you said this: "So I'm suppose to believe this and run with it, and turn the son of God who is my brother into the creator and Almighty God. Thats what im expected to do even though Trinitarian themself say they dont quite understand it?
And this is ok with everyone? Do u ever question anything that you have been taught[/QUOTE]"

No, your not just suppose to run with it, your suppose to study it foryourself and ask God to reveal Himself to you as to His identity. The fact is that this is not about the Trinity. All this is about is who is Jesus Christ, that's the question that even Jesus ask His disciples at Matthew 16:13-17. Jesus point blank ask (vs13) "Who do people say that the Son of Man is? At vs16 Peter says, "Thou art the Christ/Messiah the Son of God." What did Jesus say next at vs17? "Blessed are you Simon because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."

Btw as a side note. When did you learn that Jesus Christ was your brother? What is the reference and was it before or after the gospels? Any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

IN GOD THE SON,
james

 

[sugarboom58]

Hard for me to even accept a trinity when god is a form of mans desire to have a crux

 

[OneFaith]

Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

1- God didn’t change. If I cast my shadow on the wall, it will now do everything that I do. If I raise my hand, it will raise its hand, etc. The shadow is not me, but it does what I do. All of the fullness of the Father is in the Son (Col 1)- this is because there is no mother involved. (Not talking about His physical body through Mary). Is a son the same person as the father? No, but they share the same likeness. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are of one mind and purpose- just as the church is to be one church- of the same mind and purpose. Does that make members of the church all one person? Of course not. We are of one body of believers, but the church isn’t one person with a personality disorder times a billion.

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

Like I just said, God is one by unity. The whole point of unity is that there are separate units that come together to form one unit. The church also must be unified, that does not mean we are all the same person, but we are one body of believers, in Christ. “One Lord, one Faith, one baptism.” There is only one God, only one Church, and only one way into that Church (being baptized into Christ (Romans 6:3). In order to not say that God is one by unity, there would have to be three Gods with different minds and different purposes. But the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are of the same like-mindedness, just as the church is of the same like-minded-ness, and have the same purpose.

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Jesus is God (Deity) just as much as the Holy Spirit and the Father are. Jesus is not the only Deity, and did not need to be in charge as an infant, and was not given authority to be in charge until Matthew 28:18. He came to do the Will of His Father. But unlike adoptive children, as we are, the natural father and son share the same DNA- Jesus, the Son of God, is Deity just like the Father is. “All the fullness of the Father is in the Son”- that would include the Father’s Deity (God-ness).

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

Conclusion: Jesus is God, but God is not all the same person. They are one by unity, just as the church is to be one by unity.

 

[garee]

The bible doesn't say how old the earth is. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," It doesn't say when the beginning was, and note that verse one ends with a comma, not a period.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void" "Was" is the wrong English word here, there is no 'was' in Hebrew. The Massorah renders it "hayah" (Strong's Concordance ref #1961). Hayah means; "to become or came to pass". So verse 2 should read that "The earth became void and without form". So millions or billions of years could have passed between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis.

Some believe (myself included) that there are 3 earth ages. The first age is past, we are in the second age, and the third is yet to come. God completely annihilated and destroyed the first earth age, dinosaurs and all after Satan's rebellion (2 Peter 3:5-7 and Jeremiah 4:19-28). Note that in Genesis 1:28, God says "Replenish the earth", suggesting that it was inhabited before.

So imo, God did not create the world void and empty, it became that way. Then God formed it to be inhabited by mankind (Isaiah 45:18). Many Christians don't accept this interpretation, but it makes sense to me... jmo

He establish a 24 hour day from day one. Let there be light.God is light

If it came that way... who created that which you say already existed to begin with? Where did the light come from?

It came by the work of our Creator's faith or labor(work) of His love . Life does not become of its self. That's a pagan idea.

 

[kaylagrl]

Hard for me to even accept a trinity when god is a form of mans desire to have a crux

I think you mean "crutch" and you don't need church to have a crutch. People drink,take drugs,even prescription drugs ,smoke to cope with life. I can promise you,church is not a crutch. We live in the real world,suffer real pain,suffer real loss. We have a hope,not a crutch.

 

[Muzungu256]

hmm....... christians have believed in the trinity for 2000 years.
its what makes us different

if u dont believe in the trinity u are agreeing with many falsereligions who are accusing christianity of making Jesus God. james white has debated some people like this u see.

watch these guys get owned by the trinitarians. watch it!

[video=youtube;dDnWdDxfZcQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDnWdDxfZcQ[/video]

 

[Locutus]

The trinity doctrine is somewhat confusing - that said, Jesus is not the Father and the Father is not Jesus.

It can be established from various scriptures that Jesus was Yahweh in the flesh - this still does not make him the Father.

 

[MarcR]

Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

When God is first mentioned Ge 1:1
In the beginning God created the Heaven and the earth.
KJV
the word translated God is eloheem meaning ' Mighty'. it is a plural word.

In verse Ge 1:2
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
KJV
we see the Holy Spirit already present; though He is not yet identified as a person.

In Ge 1:26
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
KJV
we see conversation within the Godhead.


In Dt 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
KJV
we see that the Hebrew word translated as one is echad. The Hebrew word echad signifies composite unity (unity of parts).

In Nu 13:23
23 And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.
KJV
we see the spies bring back one cluster of grapes with so many grapes it took 2 men to carry them. the word one here is the same echad.

In Jn 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
KJV
we see that the Word is part of the Godhead.

in Jn 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV
we see that the Word is Jesus.

Hence Jesus is God.

 

[NayborBear]

The bible doesn't say how old the earth is. Genesis 1:1 says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth," It doesn't say when the beginning was, and note that verse one ends with a comma, not a period.

Genesis 1:2 "And the earth was without form and void" "Was" is the wrong English word here, there is no 'was' in Hebrew. The Massorah renders it "hayah" (Strong's Concordance ref #1961). Hayah means; "to become or came to pass". So verse 2 should read that "The earth became void and without form". So millions or billions of years could have passed between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis.

Some believe (myself included) that there are 3 earth ages. The first age is past, we are in the second age, and the third is yet to come. God completely annihilated and destroyed the first earth age, dinosaurs and all after Satan's rebellion (2 Peter 3:5-7 and Jeremiah 4:19-28). Note that in Genesis 1:28, God says "Replenish the earth", suggesting that it was inhabited before.

So imo, God did not create the world void and empty, it became that way. Then God formed it to be inhabited by mankind (Isaiah 45:18). Many Christians don't accept this interpretation, but it makes sense to me... jmo

In agreeing with your post, I would like to "point at", how "greek mythology", which occurred in the first earth age, is true, save for one YUGE detail.
If one equates "Zeus" as beezelbub, and "others" of that age as "conspirators/co-conspirators", or those "swept" by the dragons' "tail/tale?" It is, how can I say? "Softens", the "blow", of so many believers, who's attention span, of things "spiritual", have been "dialectically coerced", into a "flesh malady", called today, "A.D.D." (attention deficit disorder).

 

[Depleted]

Hard for me to even accept a trinity when god is a form of mans desire to have a crux

Harder still for you to write something of substance too. Once again, you're trying to talk bigger than your grammar lets you, and it is funny to read.

You really could use a crux!

 

[dcontroversal]

Harder still for you to write something of substance too. Once again, you're trying to talk bigger than your grammar lets you, and it is funny to read.

You really could use a crux!

I was thinking he should lay off the Tooheys.............

 

[Dan58]

He establish a 24 hour day from day one. Let there be light.God is light

If it came that way... who created that which you say already existed to begin with? Where did the light come from?

It came by the work of our Creator's faith or labor(work) of His love . Life does not become of its self. That's a pagan idea.

I think you misunderstood, I agree that God was the light and created the 24 hour period on day one. My "different angle" was simply that God created the earth prior to day one. In other words, "In the beginning" transpired long before day one. So it was not my contention that life evolved of its own accord, but just that a lot of time passed between verse one and the creation account that follows. Nothing pagan about that.

 

[garee]

I think you misunderstood, I agree that God was the light and created the 24 hour period on day one. My "different angle" was simply that God created the earth prior to day one. In other words, "In the beginning" transpired long before day one. So it was not my contention that life evolved of its own accord, but just that a lot of time passed between verse one and the creation account that follows. Nothing pagan about that.

If In the beginning" transpired long before day one. Then the beginning according to the word of God was not the beginning but a continuation.

The beginning began in verse 1 chapter 1 and ended verse 1 chapter2 .Because of it he rested from all the work he made.

If If in the beginning" transpired long before day one then all the work that was done was not all he made..

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.. Gen 2:1

I would think not having form does not mean not created.I see a difference between creating and forming a purpose..

Like the Sun and the Moon . They were created on day 1. But not put into effect until day 4 when he turned the switch and made them into time keepers .Or that of man, the dust was there it was without form, and void.

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Ok I'm gonna try this another way.
I've said before that Jesus is not God, now
I'm not sure if my grasp on the trinity is wrong but instead
Of explaining why I think I'm right I'm just gonna ask some questions. If u feel irritated by my questions then u don't have to engage in this thread just keep on trucking.

1- why does God say he is the same today and tomorrow and that he never changes if he new he would be taking on a new name and form?

2-why would God make such a point to make it so clear that he is the only God if the trinity says 3 are God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit)?

3-if Jesus is God in the human form who was "in charge"
When he was an infant.

Let's start there. Anyone who participates much gratitude is given.

Best Regard
Christina

Acts 20:28
28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

_________

Hebrews 10:19 - Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

 

[bluto]

Ok gdyloves let's try another approach that may be a little easier for you to undrstand. What you said here is exactly right. "The Father is not the same person as the Son, who is not the same person as the Holy Spirit, and who is not the same person as the Father. Each is divine, yet there are not three gods but one God. There are three individual subsistences or persons. BUT ONE GOD??"

You have the same exact nature as your parents with is human. Remember Jesus Christ at various times said He was the "Son of Man" and He also said He is the "Son of God." This was not idle talk. Jesus is the Son of man on His mothers side which would be human. He's the one and only Son of God on His Fathers side which would be deity.

Jesus has two natures, one on His Father's side and one on His mothers side. It the same thing with us except we do not have to natures. Like I said we have one nature with is human. Now, you are a "DISTINCT" person from your father and your mother, that is your not them and they are not you. It's the same thing with the Trinity. Each peson is distinct from each other but what makes them the one God is their nauture.

And it is your nature that separates you from all that is not human. It is God's nauture that separates Him from all that is not God. Birds have their nature, beavers produce other beavers and so on. This is also why at John 3:16 that Jesus Christ is the one and only Son of God. If you remember the Jews wanted to stone Jesus on numerous occasions because the accused Him of blasphemy. Please read John 5:18, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 19:7 and at the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26:59-67.

For example at John 5:17-18 it says, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working." Vs18, For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, (why) because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but aslo was CALLING GOD HIS OWN FATHER, MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD." The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was claiming not only here but at all the other text I gave you. Now, this is not hard to understand but just in case you don't I will give you another alternate and simple answer.

Lastly you said this: "So I'm suppose to believe this and run with it, and turn the son of God who is my brother into the creator and Almighty God. Thats what im expected to do even though Trinitarian themself say they dont quite understand it?
And this is ok with everyone? Do u ever question anything that you have been taught

"

No, your not just suppose to run with it, your suppose to study it foryourself and ask God to reveal Himself to you as to His identity. The fact is that this is not about the Trinity. All this is about is who is Jesus Christ, that's the question that even Jesus ask His disciples at Matthew 16:13-17. Jesus point blank ask (vs13) "Who do people say that the Son of Man is? At vs16 Peter says, "Thou art the Christ/Messiah the Son of God." What did Jesus say next at vs17? "Blessed are you Simon because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven."

Btw as a side note. When did you learn that Jesus Christ was your brother? What is the reference and was it before or after the gospels? Any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

IN GOD THE SON,
james[/QUOTE]

Hey gdyloves, did you have any questions regarding the above post?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto