A real question about Gospel of John

[posthuman]

no idea but good topic u see. i think it coulda fulfilled some ot prophecy about salvation being seen by gentiles as well. maybe one of them isaiah prophecies about God's servant who is Jesus.

this is my unbiased but correct opinion

I am sought of them that asked not for me;
I am found of them that sought me not:
I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts
(Isaiah 65:1-2)
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[posthuman]

no idea but good topic u see. i think it coulda fulfilled some ot prophecy about salvation being seen by gentiles as well. maybe one of them isaiah prophecies about God's servant who is Jesus.

this is my unbiased but correct opinion

Check out Revelation 1:1, Read it slowly and ingest each word and it’s meaning. Again in ch3:14 read this one real close.

try reading 1:8 and then 1:17-18

or 3:1, and then 4:5, bearing in mind what is said in 4:7-8 when you then read 5:6-8.

or maybe read 19:12 without denying that the Lord God Almighty is omniscient!

it's the first 5 words of 1:1 -- the actual title of the book ​♥

 

[graceNpeace]

Obviously, you think highly of your education and poorly of mine.

If you really wanted me to learn, you could have just given that information without the snark. But it really wasn't about answering my questions, was it? It was to boast of your great learning.

I have only just noticed this post replying to mine.

Despite you being convinced that I was being snarky that was not the case.
I am sorry you feel that way because it was not my intent to upset you.

I used the phrase that I did because it seemed to me that the information that I subsequently shared with you was not at all obvious to you - that is all.

I apologise unconditionally for any upset caused.

 

[notmyown]

I have only just noticed this post replying to mine.

Despite you being convinced that I was being snarky that was not the case.
I am sorry you feel that way because it was not my intent to upset you.

I used the phrase that I did because it seemed to me that the information that I subsequently shared with you was not at all obvious to you - that is all.

I apologise unconditionally for any upset caused.

this right here? ^^^^
this is what the BDF needs more of. thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

 

[IamWhoIam]

Definitely.

Jesus told them to not move forward until power had come upon them.

Meaning power hadn't come upon them.

He didn't say wait until other people get baptized.

the deciples already receive the Holy Spirit before Pentecost that is when the 120 people recieved the Holy Spirit, no different when a pastor performs a baptism, the pastor doesn't re-receive the Holy Spirit "no" just the people being baptised.

that whole man made theory that the apostles recieved the spirit as well in the upper room along with the 120 poeple is just that a theory, the people who believe that, haven't really understood what is written in the four gospels. First and foremost in Jesus own words should over-ride anything written in Acts flat out and that is my belief! so What did Jesus say in the gospel of John,

JESUS said this

john 20
21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.”


The Ascension in The four gospels Jesus sent them into galilee to wait for him there and they did and then Jesus appeared to them there. There was no two men appearing standing next to deciples after the Ascension, this account in ACTS is misleading and miscued, the place in the four gospels were two men appeared standing by someone and that was Jesus at the transfiguration not the Ascension. And the other place was at the tomb too the women.


Acts 2
4 And while stayingwith them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me;5 for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

The Ascension

6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” 9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”


After that in verse 8, yes then they recieved the Holy Spirit and that was supposed to be in verse 9 of Acts, but that didn't happen for what ever reason the book of Acts has issues for sure, again the deciples were not gazing into the heaven and behold two men stood by them in white robes, no where in the four gospels is that mentioned at all except like I said at the transfiguration and that was Moses and Elijah by Jesus.

Jesus words spoken in John 20:21-23 should be of the first consideration over the account in Acts of the Ascension and as well as when the deciples recieved the Holy Spirit. For they already was given the Holy Spirit.

Though Thomas and the added apostle was among those 120 people that recieved the Holy Spirit, because remember Thomas wasn't there when the ten deciples recieved the Holy Spirit on the first day after the resurrection Thomas was only present 8 days later when Jesus came to them again in galilee.

 

[IamWhoIam]

The gospel of John is not without issues as well.

there was no need to micro paraphrase a account to the point of making a misguided statement.

John 12:14
Jesus found a young donkey and sat on it, as it is written.

This wasn't to be some kind of news flash, short order take out, what ever.

(Jesus found, young donkey, sat on it, it is written)

this account is rich in story and shouldn't have been micro paraphrased, but in John it is a micro phrased statement and a tad misleading to be nice about it.

1. Jesus found,,, say what, no sorry,,,, Jesus knew and sent two deciples to the village up ahead and they found just as Jesus said they would find it.

2. Young donkey, hmm did you mean (The young of a donkey, or a donkey's colt, or just a donkey, or just a colt or foal or what ever),, all this donkey talk and not one of the four gospels can line up, disappoints me.


the only way to rightly shorten the account is like this.

jesus knew, disciples found young of donkey, Jesus sat on, as it is written.

and even that is too little of a statement.