A Scriptural Conclusion

[Brainfreeze]

Well God didn't create sin, and the bible calls death an enemy, and says that it got here through Adam.
1 Corinthians 15:
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Romans 5:
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:



So God is not responsible for either right?

I wont say responsible but, yes He controls it. He can cut down or add to death as adding a 1000 or taking to 100.

Genesis 6:3

3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

right?

 

[fredoheaven]

Brainfreeze, I am going to be a teenie bit hard, on you, but only because You set the example.
Where's the scripture? You ran into that one, did you?


Thanks for using scripture RobbyEarl, but I see no place in there where it says God created hell, and you and I both know that God did not create sin, nor did he create the atom bomb.

The same goes for you Yonah.


Wonderful! Scripture - that's the key.
So Magenta has used scriptures, and a brief explanation (excellent) to say what hell is.
Anyone wants to challenge her with a scriptures, and a brief explanation?

Hi theStudent,

Are you now saying you wanted to arbitrate? What about giving scriptures and explanation? would love to hear it from you!

Blessings

 

[fredoheaven]

ok post 19...thanks

 

[hornetguy]

Most old believers haven't a clue.

I know a few students, who aren't even baptized, and know more, than those baptized 30 years their senior. Wasn't Jesus 12 years old, when he was teaching the priest? And weren't his disciples who were considered non-scholars, more knowledgeable?

If a person wants to learn, youn or old, they will.

Jesus teaching at 12... yes, but He was something of a "special case", don't you think?


You started this by saying that new believers usually just want a scriptural answer to questions... most people do not feed babies rib-eye steaks.

You start them on what they can understand, then go on to the more complex details.

But, this is your show... so, proceed.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I assumed that you were playing the role of a new believer, and most new believers think of Hell as being the place lost people go after the final judgment.

Most new believers don't know about the Hadean world, the place of waiting that Magenta described so well.

Hadean... Shiloh? ...these are steak?

 

[hornetguy]

Sheol... and, yes, they kinda are....

 

[Brainfreeze]

Sheol... and, yes, they kinda are....

If he has a matter he's trying to express, rather where the student is, why stop him? Why not leave it to him, rather it would be milk,.. or as you say, steak?

 

[theStudent]

You started this by saying that new believers usually just want a scriptural answer to questions... most people do not feed babies rib-eye steaks.

You start them on what they can understand, then go on to the more complex details.

But, this is your show... so, proceed.

Sorry. I wasn't referring to people who now hear about the Bible. I am referring to people exposed to the bible and church. From your age, you are a very experienced person. You actually are close to that special age
"3 score and 10"
...that a blessing.
But I am young as you can see, I know many young persons, who were exposed to the bible and church, but who are grappling with where to go, what to believe, what is the truth about this or that.
Young people have told me that they have asked question to those who say they are in Christ, and did not get a clear scriptural answer. I have niece and nephews in that situation.
I have been in a similar situation before. So I know what it is like.
I know of persons who go online looking for answer.
The reason I put this challenge out is because I believe the bible answers their questions which they seek, and they know it too, but what they get, is what I explained - A long explanation with one or two scriptures.
I started with this question first because, this is a question that is troubling these same people.
The post is supposed to have it answered scripturally, and conclusively so that everyone can benefit.
It might just take one scripture to comfort a tired soul.
I hope that explanation helps you understand what I am about.

And no, this is not my show. This is your show- all of you have the responsibility to use the scriptures to help a lost soul.
I really would like you to continue as though I did not start this, with everyone who wants to sharing, but just with these three things in mind.

Can you use the Bible to answer, and give a brief explanation for using that scripture?
Can you if challenging that explanation, use a scripture, along with a brief explanation, without being un-Christ-like?
Can you if challenged, use a scripture, along with a brief explanation, without being un-Christ-like?

 

[theStudent]

If he has a matter he's trying to express, rather where the student is, why stop him? Why not leave it to him, rather it would be milk,.. or as you say, steak?

Great insight! And I can't type very fast either, but I hope everyone saw this:

this is not my show. This is your show- all of you have the responsibility to use the scriptures to help a lost soul.
I really would like you to continue as though I did not start this, with everyone who wants to sharing, but just with these three things in mind.

Can you use the Bible to answer, and give a brief explanation for using that scripture?
Can you if challenging that explanation, use a scripture, along with a brief explanation, without being un-Christ-like?
Can you if challenged, use a scripture, along with a brief explanation, without being un-Christ-like?

 

[theStudent]

Hi theStudent,

Are you now saying you wanted to arbitrate? What about giving scriptures and explanation? would love to hear it from you!

Blessings

I was agreeing with Magenta, and I did add something, using scripture. Didn't you see it.
I say the challenge was met well.


From the scriptures:
Since God did not create sin, or the death produced by it, he did not create hell.


And since hell is cast into the lake of fire, which is everlasting, then hell cannot be itself an everlasting fire, but rather is the place where those in death lie, awaiting their release. -
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


So in that case, is the lake of fire, a literal fire?

 

[theStudent]

Hey, Brainfreeze, it's only now that I realized your age, that you are as young as I am... well younger. But I just checked your age, thinking that you were in your 60s, because you speak so..., the best word I can find is 'mature'.

 

[Brainfreeze]

I was agreeing with Magenta, and I did add something, using scripture. Didn't you see it.
I say the challenge was met well.


From the scriptures:
Since God did not create sin, or the death produced by it, he did not create hell.


And since hell is cast into the lake of fire, which is everlasting, then hell cannot be itself an everlasting fire, but rather is the place where those in death lie, awaiting their release. -
Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


So in that case, is the lake of fire, a literal fire?

Yes, sin is a product of man, but where's the scripture for lucifer making the lake of fire? These are spiritual not literal to your next.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Hey, Brainfreeze, it's only now that I realized your age, that you are as young as I am... well younger. But I just checked your age, thinking that you were in your 60s, because you speak so..., the best word I can find is 'mature'.

Thank you bro, but I am nothing.. He is all.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

God created hell as He created everything else including satan. Satan was an angel created by God, but full of pride wanted to be God and for that reason hell was created. Here is satan described in the bible

Job 41

“Can you draw out Leviathan[a] with a hook,
Or snare his tongue with a line which you lower?
2 Can you put a reed through his nose,
Or pierce his jaw with a hook?
3 Will he make many supplications to you?
Will he speak softly to you?
4 Will he make a covenant with you?
Will you take him as a servant forever?
5 Will you play with him as with a bird,
Or will you leash him for your maidens?
6 Will your companions make a banquet[b] of him?
Will they apportion him among the merchants?
7 Can you fill his skin with harpoons,
Or his head with fishing spears?
8 Lay your hand on him;
Remember the battle—
Never do it again!
9 Indeed, any hope of overcoming him is false;
Shall one not be overwhelmed at the sight of him?
10 No one is so fierce that he would dare stir him up.
Who then is able to stand against Me?
11 Who has preceded Me, that I should pay him?
Everything under heaven is Mine.

The thing that should not be

"Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Cthulhu. I like cheeseburgers, pepperoni pizza (mmm! my favorite!), and going back and forth over the earth looking for amazing stuff to devour. Pleased to meet you!"

 

[theStudent]

Oh dear... Sorry hornetguy. I made a mistake with your age. I thought I saw 76. I don't know where I got that. I'm young, but my eyes apparently aren't. Pardon me.

 

[JustWhoIAm]

The thing that should not be

"Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Cthulhu. I like cheeseburgers, pepperoni pizza (mmm! my favorite!), and going back and forth over the earth looking for amazing stuff to devour. Pleased to meet you!"

To be honest, i'm in the way of thinking that leviathan and behemoth (in the aforementioned job scriptures) are varieties of dinosaurs (dragons - not the dragon satan but dragons).

 

[theStudent]

but where's the scripture for lucifer making the lake of fire?

It didn't say lucifer created it. God did.
hornetguy quoted it.

Matthew 25:
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Since God is the one who will completely remove death, hell, Satan, the demons, wicked mankind etc forever. He created it for that purpose. It is his removal system.

Well done! Conclusively, it is spiritual.



Question:
What is the reason people go to heaven?

 

[fredoheaven]

I was agreeing with Magenta, and I did add something, using scripture. Didn't you see it.
I say the challenge was met well.

Ya, my eyes did blink

 

[JustWhoIAm]

Can you use the Bible to answer, and give a brief explanation for using that scripture?
Can you if challenging that explanation, use a scripture, along with a brief explanation, without being un-Christ-like?
Can you if challenged, use a scripture, along with a brief explanation, without being un-Christ-like?

Matthew 22:1-14 -

Jesus also told them other parables. He said, “The Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of a king who prepared a great wedding feast for his son (Jesus). When the banquet was ready, he sent his servants to notify those who were invited (israel). But they all refused to come!

“So he sent other servants to tell them, ‘The feast has been prepared. The bulls and fattened cattle have been killed, and everything is ready. Come to the banquet!’ But the guests he had invited ignored them and went their own way, one to his farm, another to his business. Others seized his messengers (the prophets) and insulted them and killed them.

“The king was furious, and he sent out his army to destroy the murderers and burn their town. And he said to his servants, ‘The wedding feast is ready, and the guests I invited aren’t worthy of the honor. Now go out to the street corners and invite everyone you see.’ So the servants brought in everyone they could find, good and bad alike, and the banquet hall was filled with guests (those who are faithful to Jesus).

“But when the king came in to meet the guests, he noticed a man who wasn’t wearing the proper clothes for a wedding (it would appear that this guy tried to pull a fast one and come in through some other means than Jesus). ‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how is it that you are here without wedding clothes?’ But the man had no reply. Then the king said to his aides, ‘Bind his hands and feet and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

 

[JustWhoIAm]

What is the reason people go to heaven?

Nothing evil will be allowed to enter (The new jerusalem - the ultimate destination of the chosen), nor anyone who practices shameful idolatry and dishonesty—but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life (God chooses - we'd best obey his word so as not to be disqualified) -revelation 21:27