Alcohol ??

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layman316

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#41
Autos can be a you or an it, single or plural. The text I'm going by says

Πίετε : drink
ἐξ : out of
αὐτοῦ : it
πάντες : the whole

αὐτοῦ refers to the wine, because one cannot "drink out of you"
πάντες refers to the wine, because no other target is given in the phrase.
A more comfortable structure would have been for Him to say "drink all of you from it", if that were the statement.

Compare in same chapter, same author:
πάντες : the whole (all)
πάντες ὑμεῖς : the whole you (all of you)

However, digging in the greek is not what brought this discrepancy to me.
It is the understanding that "all pieces" of the "blood" must be drunk.
Blood is the word given to early man to represent "the cry of salvation"
When you get cut, the first thing that flashes into your mind is "this must be stopped!"
"somebody help!"
In the creation of language, there must initially be an external shareable object (an image) to represent any internal (mental / emotional / spiritual) concept. I, a simple and early man, have no language mechanic to explain "cry out for help" without actually screaming, except to use the best example of visible hard to stop bleeding.
If I then grasp my head with both hands, grimace, and say "blood!", the other person can know what I'm trying to say, that I'm bleeding spiritually, "inside my head"
Our blood is often for ourselves or just loved ones.
His blood is for the whole world. It must all be drunk.

Peace.


Your premise is based on the wording of the KJV. The NASB is more literal and closer to the Greek than the KJV.



NASB:
Mat 26:27 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you;

John Gill:
and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it; for this is not to be restrained from one sort of communicants, and only partook of by another; but all are to drink of the cup, as well as eat of the bread:

Barnes:
Drink ye all of it - That is, "all of you, disciples, drink of it;" not, "drink all the wine."



 
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layman316

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#42
It is not the alcohol that contains nutrients it is the grape juice. So why not drink grape juice instead? Alcohol is poisonous and does not contain any nutrients at all.
Yet we never hear doctors tell anyone to drink a glass of grape juice. Do you know obesity kills more Americans each year than Alcohol, cancer...etc. LINK

Based on your logic about Alcohol, food is far more poisonous.
 
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Laodicea

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#43
Obesiety may be a problem but, that does not take away the facts about alcohol and the problems it causes. Drunken violence is a big problem, it is always on the news. More people die on roads through drinking alcohol. I could give more.
 

gb9

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i posted this on another place here, but i will say again. if the Bible does not say that having a drink is a sin, then we should not say so either. we should not add our own opinions to the Bible. we can have personal convictions, but we should not try to make them rules for everyone if the Biblle does not do so.
 
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I use to be addicted to alcohol, before I came to Christ. I realized that alcohol was my idol. For a short time I'd quite than cut down to just wine. I still drink causally. Am I wrong for doing so? I'd like to just give up completely but, to honest I don't. Can someone help me this issue? Thx :/
There is nothing inherently wrong with the act of drinking alcohol. Just the same way there is nothing inherently wrong about being in the position of owning a gun.

But for instance, if I were an assassin, then a gun is a dangerous tool. In the same way, if I were an alcoholic, then alcohol is a dangerous substance.

It also depends on how drunk you get. And how you act after drinking.

If you can keep a hold, and it doesn't better you, then I see no problem.

Is your reason for drinking alcohol because it's your idol and you worship it? I don't think so.

But putting it before others' feelings, or before God, is obviously something to think about. Much of a problem can be solved by searching motive. Because motive precedes action.

So ask yourself, why do you drink?
 
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CDavid

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#46
I use to be addicted to alcohol, before I came to Christ. I realized that alcohol was my idol. For a short time I'd quite than cut down to just wine. I still drink causally. Am I wrong for doing so? I'd like to just give up completely but, to honest I don't. Can someone help me this issue? Thx :/
Try what I did; Diabetes really works.
I'm just joking. Diabetes is a terrible thing. I went from to drunk to casual drinker to diabetes, which led me to abstinence. I hope you don't get diabetes.

Let God have His way
May He bless you in every way
 
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rauleetoe

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#47
Yet we never hear doctors tell anyone to drink a glass of grape juice. Do you know obesity kills more Americans each year than Alcohol, cancer...etc. LINK

Based on your logic about Alcohol, food is far more poisonous.
That is half truth regarding food being poisonous..
Overeating is bad..eating too little is bad..but you need nourishment.
You can possibly drink in moderation, or abuse alcohol..or become an addict. Is alcohol nourishment?
 
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BarlyGurl

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#48
. Is alcohol nourishment?
Actually fermented beverages are nourishing. Fermented foods have been a dietary basic for eons. Wine is, of course, fermented grape juice.
 
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rauleetoe

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#49
Actually fermented beverages are nourishing. Fermented foods have been a dietary basic for eons. Wine is, of course, fermented grape juice.
But one can live without wine, or beer..or 'spirits'..
food however..try going without it for some time..see what happens..