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hmmm -- I'm not a nut -- but i did a search and this article came up too.
He makes valid points
: THE SPIRIT BEHIND UFO'S IS NOW PROVEN TO BE DEMONIC!
He makes valid points
: THE SPIRIT BEHIND UFO'S IS NOW PROVEN TO BE DEMONIC!
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Ok I'm back. I've been thinking on this and I have a few points.
1. We need to be careful of assumptions.
2. The Bible may contain 'clues' about aliens and life outside this planet.
I'll start with 1. Watch your assumptions
People may assume many things about intelligent life existing on other planets. They may assume it invalidates Jesus or they may wonder about things like doing missions to other planets. They may wonder what happens if these intelligent beings have never heard of Jesus!?
Well if these beings do exist, maybe they're just like any other creature that exists on Earth. There are many intelligent beings on our own planet, quite capable of many things, yet they aren't created in the image of God, so we don't really think much of it.
It's quite possible that if life on other planets exists with what we call 'intelligent' life, it's quite possible they're on the same level of existence as dolphins or ants or whatever. Just because they can build a spaceship doesn't mean they have the same value as humans created in God's image.
So if these things exist, I wouldn't sweat it much. I wouldn't view them as any different than a dolphin or ant or whatever.
Now to number two. There may be clues scattered in scripture to give us hints about aliens and spaceships and all that.
Right out of the starting gate we're told that God created stuff way beyond this Earth.
Genesis 1: 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
People being mysteriously transported off this planet
Enoch - Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
Elijah - 11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
How does God get folks transported from here to there? The Bible described it is a chariot of horses and a whirlwind in the case of Elijah. Maybe that's hint of some kind of interplanetary transportation systems out there?
Examples of odd creatures with intelligence.
*Creatures resembling a man with four faces and four wings. - Ezekiel 1:4-28
**Singing Seraphs Isaiah 6 2 Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:
"Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory."
* Odd animal like living creatures with many eyes who talk. Revelation 4
6Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come."
Example of other spiritual beings coming before God.
*2 Chronicles 18: 20 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
" 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
So those might be some hints and clues. I know the list probably isn't comprehensive. Try doing some clue finding on your own and see what you find.
All together we do see people being transported somehow between Earth and some final destination. We do see God telling us there is more to creation than what's on this Earth. We see odd creatures with much intelligence. Intelligence enough to even talk and praise God. We even see some odd situation of various spirits who present themselves before God.
If life does exist, I wouldn't really get in a twist about it. Nothing dictates that it invalidates Jesus. Nothing dictates that they aren't on the same level as other animals.
Jesus is the ONLY remedy for humans made in God's image. The existence of 'intelligent life' won't change that.
1. We need to be careful of assumptions.
2. The Bible may contain 'clues' about aliens and life outside this planet.
I'll start with 1. Watch your assumptions
People may assume many things about intelligent life existing on other planets. They may assume it invalidates Jesus or they may wonder about things like doing missions to other planets. They may wonder what happens if these intelligent beings have never heard of Jesus!?
Well if these beings do exist, maybe they're just like any other creature that exists on Earth. There are many intelligent beings on our own planet, quite capable of many things, yet they aren't created in the image of God, so we don't really think much of it.
It's quite possible that if life on other planets exists with what we call 'intelligent' life, it's quite possible they're on the same level of existence as dolphins or ants or whatever. Just because they can build a spaceship doesn't mean they have the same value as humans created in God's image.
So if these things exist, I wouldn't sweat it much. I wouldn't view them as any different than a dolphin or ant or whatever.
Now to number two. There may be clues scattered in scripture to give us hints about aliens and spaceships and all that.
Right out of the starting gate we're told that God created stuff way beyond this Earth.
Genesis 1: 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.
People being mysteriously transported off this planet
Enoch - Enoch walked with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.
Elijah - 11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
How does God get folks transported from here to there? The Bible described it is a chariot of horses and a whirlwind in the case of Elijah. Maybe that's hint of some kind of interplanetary transportation systems out there?
Examples of odd creatures with intelligence.
*Creatures resembling a man with four faces and four wings. - Ezekiel 1:4-28
**Singing Seraphs Isaiah 6 2 Above him were seraphs, each with six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. 3 And they were calling to one another:
"Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty;
the whole earth is full of his glory."
* Odd animal like living creatures with many eyes who talk. Revelation 4
6Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under his wings. Day and night they never stop saying: "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come."
Example of other spiritual beings coming before God.
*2 Chronicles 18: 20 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
" 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
So those might be some hints and clues. I know the list probably isn't comprehensive. Try doing some clue finding on your own and see what you find.
All together we do see people being transported somehow between Earth and some final destination. We do see God telling us there is more to creation than what's on this Earth. We see odd creatures with much intelligence. Intelligence enough to even talk and praise God. We even see some odd situation of various spirits who present themselves before God.
If life does exist, I wouldn't really get in a twist about it. Nothing dictates that it invalidates Jesus. Nothing dictates that they aren't on the same level as other animals.
Jesus is the ONLY remedy for humans made in God's image. The existence of 'intelligent life' won't change that.
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The Alien Deception has been orchestrated by Lucifer and his angels ever since they failed to destroy man the first time. I've done a lot of study on this subject, so I will try to explain as best I can, even though I may not be 100 percent correct. In Genesis chapter 6 it tells us of the fallen angels that first came to Earth with Lucifer, took them wives of men, and bore giants. Now some may interpret this differently, but the fact remains that the human race eventually became corrupted and God wiped them all clean except for Noah and his family. What does this have to do with 'Aliens'? Well it's going to sound way out there, but this explanation is more plausible than 'travelers from outer space' and it's backed by the bible. Satan's angels and his demons may now be disguising themselves as 'starmen' and presenting themselves to us now in another form so they will be accepted by those who are deceived. Same junk, different package, but the bible tells us that there is nothing new under the sun (Eccl 1:10).
Someone previously mentioned the visitors appearing in cave drawings from ages past. This may be true but Satan's influence has been on Earth long before man existed, and so has his planned deception. I'm not saying the devil carved those flying saucers on caves, but the people who saw his angels descend from the sky may have. An example of this is found in Ezekiel chapter 1. This tells us of (heavenly) angels that came to visit Ezekiel in a strange craft. So if God's angels can appear in this manner, then why not a fallen angel? In Ephesians 2:2 it tells us that Satan is "prince of the power of the air", and in Luke 17:26 Jesus tells us that, "as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man" - and Gen 6 tells us what it was like in the days of Noah. And here is more scripture to back up Satan's plan to deceive us with this:
Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2Thess 2:10-11
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Mat 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Whatever you do, consult the bible and pray to God on such issues as these, and ask Jesus Christ for the truth and it shall be yours.
Someone previously mentioned the visitors appearing in cave drawings from ages past. This may be true but Satan's influence has been on Earth long before man existed, and so has his planned deception. I'm not saying the devil carved those flying saucers on caves, but the people who saw his angels descend from the sky may have. An example of this is found in Ezekiel chapter 1. This tells us of (heavenly) angels that came to visit Ezekiel in a strange craft. So if God's angels can appear in this manner, then why not a fallen angel? In Ephesians 2:2 it tells us that Satan is "prince of the power of the air", and in Luke 17:26 Jesus tells us that, "as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man" - and Gen 6 tells us what it was like in the days of Noah. And here is more scripture to back up Satan's plan to deceive us with this:
Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
2Thess 2:10-11
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Mat 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Whatever you do, consult the bible and pray to God on such issues as these, and ask Jesus Christ for the truth and it shall be yours.
G
THERE IS ZERO JUSTIFICATION FOR IMAGINING THER IS LIFE ON OTHER PLANETS
IT CONTRAVENES OCCAMS RAZOR
People only speculate about it on the basis that there is no creator and the primary rule in the universe is randomness and there has been an infinite amount of time and evolution is true
without all these things ther is no reason for such speculation
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Yeah because the universe is such a 'simple' thing to understand.
Sorry but applying the rule of 'it's simple', to the universe which is COMPLEX, eh it just doesn't work. His razor needs a little sharpening. Sometimes things just have complex answers. That's how life is.
Some people may only speculate on this stuff because they don't want God to exist. Some may speculate because they want there to be randomness and not order. But you are 'assuming' so much when you say these things.
Why would existence of aliens mean God doesn't exist? Why would existence of aliens mean there is no order?
As I stated earlier, aliens may be on the same level as other life on Earth that has intelligence. God has some funky looking creatures that none of us has ever seen. We see them right in the Bible. Maybe he did the same and put some of them on other planets.
Their potential existence shouldn't shatter our faith. Jesus came to redeem lost humanity, which is created in God's image. So if these beings show up someday, they pose no threat to our faith. They may be just like dolphins or ants or apes. Intelligent, but not in need of any kind of redemption because they aren't human.
Dolphins aren't a threat to your faith. A dog that can play dead isn't a threat to your faith. Why should some odd looking creature on another planet be a threat to your faith?
Maybe some day some creature like we see in Ezekiel or Revelation will show up on our planet. Maybe we'll see it and then look in our Bibles and be like......"Oh Shweet! So that's where those creatures in Ezekiel and Revelation come from!"
Just my opinion though....
Sorry but applying the rule of 'it's simple', to the universe which is COMPLEX, eh it just doesn't work. His razor needs a little sharpening. Sometimes things just have complex answers. That's how life is.
Some people may only speculate on this stuff because they don't want God to exist. Some may speculate because they want there to be randomness and not order. But you are 'assuming' so much when you say these things.
Why would existence of aliens mean God doesn't exist? Why would existence of aliens mean there is no order?
As I stated earlier, aliens may be on the same level as other life on Earth that has intelligence. God has some funky looking creatures that none of us has ever seen. We see them right in the Bible. Maybe he did the same and put some of them on other planets.
Their potential existence shouldn't shatter our faith. Jesus came to redeem lost humanity, which is created in God's image. So if these beings show up someday, they pose no threat to our faith. They may be just like dolphins or ants or apes. Intelligent, but not in need of any kind of redemption because they aren't human.
Dolphins aren't a threat to your faith. A dog that can play dead isn't a threat to your faith. Why should some odd looking creature on another planet be a threat to your faith?
Maybe some day some creature like we see in Ezekiel or Revelation will show up on our planet. Maybe we'll see it and then look in our Bibles and be like......"Oh Shweet! So that's where those creatures in Ezekiel and Revelation come from!"
Just my opinion though....
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I just wanted to side with 1still_waters and say I pretty much agree with everything he has said on the topic.
I think the logic that "there is no intelligent life out there" is what caused some men to persecute the Native Americans when the americas were first discovered...Since they did not know Christ, therefore they were less than human and also "not intelligent" therefore we can do to them as we please.
I believe this is why Mormonism appeals to some. Atleast there, it clearly states that Jesus did preach to these "alien" people as well.
That being said, I am not a wierdo that goes about believing in flying saucers or big foot or any other nonsense (as I have stated before). I think most of those that have to do with this are as people have said either demonic forces or insanity.
God bless
tony
I think the logic that "there is no intelligent life out there" is what caused some men to persecute the Native Americans when the americas were first discovered...Since they did not know Christ, therefore they were less than human and also "not intelligent" therefore we can do to them as we please.
I believe this is why Mormonism appeals to some. Atleast there, it clearly states that Jesus did preach to these "alien" people as well.
That being said, I am not a wierdo that goes about believing in flying saucers or big foot or any other nonsense (as I have stated before). I think most of those that have to do with this are as people have said either demonic forces or insanity.
God bless
tony
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That's because there was a boom in science around the same time that Origin of the Species came out. I don't think one influenced the other. Also notice that we had science-fiction around the same time. If it wasn't for Darwin, sci-fi would have definitely been different, but I think it still would have happened, and at the same time.
No offense, sometimes I have a bad sence of humour...I just dont think they have alien corpses anywhere... I live in the bush where bigfoot suppposedly roams... never seen him or his footsteps. You are supposing that it is a fact that there are alien corpses. I dont think so... they are far too smart to get caught. 
On a side note I'm going to get a bigfoot crossing sign on my property though, just in case one of em wants to cross my driveway.
On a side note I'm going to get a bigfoot crossing sign on my property though, just in case one of em wants to cross my driveway.
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No offense, sometimes I have a bad sence of humour...I just dont think they have alien corpses anywhere... I live in the bush where bigfoot suppposedly roams... never seen him or his footsteps. You are supposing that it is a fact that there are alien corpses. I dont think so... they are far too smart to get caught.
On a side note I'm going to get a bigfoot crossing sign on my property though, just in case one of em wants to cross my driveway.
On a side note I'm going to get a bigfoot crossing sign on my property though, just in case one of em wants to cross my driveway.