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Do you believe America has gone away from the bible?


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danalee

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You know that's a really good idea. I haven't looked into it myself....I'd be interested, just out of curiosity.
 
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danalee

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You know that's a really good idea. I haven't looked into it myself....I'd be interested, just out of curiosity.
According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means; instead, "God raised him unto Himself". Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered a Muslim (i.e., one who submits to the will of God), as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path" as commanded by God. Islam rejects the Trinitarian Christian view that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God, that he was ever crucified or resurrected, or that he ever atoned for the sins of mankind. The Quran says that Jesus himself never claimed any of these things, and it furthermore indicates that Jesus will deny having ever claimed divinity at the Last Judgment, and God will vindicate him.

That's all fine and dandy. I just want to know what their sources are. I suppose through the messages of their prophet who achieved these divinations while bathing? Okay, not nice. I should go to bed.
 
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According to the Quran, Jesus, although appearing to have been crucified, was not killed by crucifixion or by any other means; instead, "God raised him unto Himself". Like all prophets in Islam, Jesus is considered a Muslim (i.e., one who submits to the will of God), as he preached that his followers should adopt the "straight path" as commanded by God. Islam rejects the Trinitarian Christian view that Jesus was God incarnate or the son of God, that he was ever crucified or resurrected, or that he ever atoned for the sins of mankind. The Quran says that Jesus himself never claimed any of these things, and it furthermore indicates that Jesus will deny having ever claimed divinity at the Last Judgment, and God will vindicate him.

That's all fine and dandy. I just want to know what their sources are. I suppose through the messages of their prophet who achieved these divinations while bathing? Okay, not nice. I should go to bed.
Hey thanks for the info. And to be honest, That sounds just like my theory, Its weird how ive always assumed that and you mentioned this out of no where... another sign? idk.

Whats the source of christians saying jesus is god... the bible. well muslims use the quran as there word just like we do for the bible.



I was once debating with a muslim about which book could be right, and that this will be always be a battle because no one can really prove which is right.

he said " well, two things. Islam is a religion from Abraham, so no doubt these are the three main religions. The koran mentions EVERYTHING the bible mentions, except the teachings of jesus being god. The bible itself mentions JESUS is not god, then mention he is. How many versions of the bible are there..?"

i said " I dont know, many"

he said, "well, theres only one book for us, and its been the same for the last 1400 years and NO VERSIONS have been made of it. We dont follow the Koran of mark, koran of muhammad, koran of peter, we follow the KORAN which is the book of god. we dont need other people recreating our book and confusing our own people with their OWN OPINIONS. we simply read the book and understand it. Us muslims Know your bible more than yourselves, we follow JESUS teachings according to the bible better than christians, Maybe some muslims practice jihad, NOT offensive JIHAD but defensive. WHICH is killing because we were attacked first."

i said "Exactly, killing all in all is wrong so why do it"

he said "I will never kill, nor will any other muslim i know, the ones in the middle east being Attacked will, but i wont. God clearly mentioned in the koran Killing one life is as if you killed the whole world, and saving one life is as youve saved the whole world"

i mentioned about muslim women

he said "my mother, my sister, and all the women in my family are treated as queens, we live the normal american life, go out watch movies, go to the mall, interact, as a normal family. Yes, many arabs hit their wives i wont deny it, but tell me when the last time women abuse in AMERICA wasnt a problem? There are many bad people on earth, its who YOU decide to be and decide what to do"
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back to the point later on, he mentioned one more thing about the quran before i left.
Heres what i heard which honestly made my heart drop for christianity.

he said "Have you watched that one movie the book of eli, where denzel memorizes the bible because there were no more bibles left? did you notice how HAPPY the people on the island were when they realized that someone actually was going to KEEP the bible, THE WORD OF GOD alive? did you see that?"

i said "Yes i remember"

He said "If Every Koran in the world was burnt, maybe i wont be the one to keep it alive for the world, but muslims could have 1 million muslims lined up, repeating everysingle verse word for word in the same order it was written at the same time. Thats how dedicated we are to our religion. What you see on the media, thats 1% of the muslims, Dont let your ears deceive you, because hey im talking to you right now and your about to leave, you are going to leave Alive"

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Honest this was as close as i can remember word for word of what he said.
I have never met a more gentle, caring person then him. This was almost one year ago and when i was a muslim racist.
They tone, the evil, i had towards him while having that debate was unreal, Why?
Because my mother taught me muslims were bad, why? because she watchs the news and never cared to learn, not even about christianity did she care.

Well, thats my point.. and honestly, everything just makes sense about their religion.


By the way... Do we christians follow the TORAH in any way? is it considered part of the old testament?
 
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The question you have is the same question that legalists of many denominations ask: "Doesn't one have to follow the rules of righteous living in order to be saved?" Meritorious works do not exist, though some contend that they do. Consider the following illustration: A trillionaire was about to die and she had no living heirs. She did not want the state to confiscate her vast wealth so she called her lawyers and arranged to offer her unbelievable prosperity to someone she would pick at random. So she picks you to receive this grandiose gift. But to make it legal you have to believe she is actually doing this for you. She promises you that if you believe her you will receive the gift. And you have no reason NOT to believe her so you do, and she then declares you the owner of every single one of her assets. You then sign some legal papers and it is now acceptable in any court of law. You have become a trillionaire. But when were you the trillionaire, when you believed or when you signed the papers? You were a trillionaire the moment you believed, signing the papers was simply a formality. Even so, can you really say that because you signed the papers you somehow "earned" the treasure? No, you'd be a laughing stock to suggest that your signature meant that you had actually earned that gift. So it is with salvation. No work you could ever do will merit salvation, not even faith merits salvation. No one can "merit" or "earn" a "GIFT"!
 
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You know that's a really good idea. I haven't looked into it myself....I'd be interested, just out of curiosity.
"Behold! the angels said, 'Oh Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him. His name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter, and in (the company of) those nearest to God. He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. He shall be (in the company) of the righteous... And God will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel'" ( qura 3:45-48).

"Christ, the son of Mary, was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how God makes His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth!" (5:75).

"And behold! God will say [i.e. on the Day of Judgment]: 'Oh Jesus, the son of Mary! Did you say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of God?' He will say: 'Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would indeed have known it. You know what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Yours. For You know in full all that is hidden. Never did I say to them anything except what You commanded me to say: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I lived among them. When You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a witness to all things'" (5:116-117).

“And We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear miracles” (Quran 2:87)




God mentions a miracle given to none other in the Quran but Jesus, one which is quite parallel to how God himself created Adam. This miracle was one which none can argue its greatness. God mentions in the Quran that Jesus says:
“I create for you out of clay the likeness of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird with God’s permission.” (Quran 3:49)
This miracle is not found in the New Testament, but it is found in the non-canonical ‘Infancy Gospel of Thomas,’ “When this boy, Jesus, was five years old, he was playing at the ford of a rushing stream… he then made soft clay and shaped it into twelve sparrows… but Jesus simply clapped his hands and shouted to the sparrows: “Be off, fly away, and remember me, you who are now alive!” And the sparrows took off and flew away noisily.” (Infancy Gospel of Thomas:2)
Similar to the New Testament[3], The Quran also mentions Jesus to a have healed the blind and lepers.
“I also heal the blind and the leper.” (Quran 3:49)
The Jews during the time of Jesus were quite advanced in the science of medicine and were quite proud of their achievements. For this reason, miracles of this nature were given by God to Jesus, ones which the Jews could well understand that no force in nature could perform its like.
[h=2]The Resurrection of the Dead[/h]“…and I bring to life the dead, by the permission of God.” (Quran 3:49)
This, like the creation of a bird, was a miracle of incomparable nature, one which should have caused the Jews to believe in the prophethood of Jesus without doubt. In the New Testament, we read three cases where Jesus brought the dead back to life by God’s permission - the daughter of Jairus (Matt 9:18, 23; Mark 5:22, 35; Luke 8:40, 49), the widow's son at Nain (Luke 7:11), and Lazarus (John 11:43).
 
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nathan3

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I'm not interested in debating that point, I just wanted to express my shock that people still believe that
If you don't think your free in the U.S, then go to Iran. And believe it there.

This thread amounts to vain jangling .
 
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Sorry im a little slow, so you agree we must follow the books to enter heaven?
 
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What is the purpose of talking about religions ? Christianity is a reality. This country the U.S is still more free then other nations , open your eyes and look. Try going to Saudi Arabia, or Iran, and then try to practice Christianity there; you'll be running back to the U.S before you knew what hit you.

Following Christ actions dose not mean admire the enemy.
Sorry didnt see your quote.

Reason is, because 1000 years ago, we never lived the way we did today, but we lived the same way JEWS and MUSLIMS live today..
Over years we let this new culture spread over our hearts.

Jesus would be ashamed
 
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An im not saying were not free, there is not one more free country. (Although the gov does take alotta of TAX... :| )
But ya, im just saying
 
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Just to comment on the original poll question
It should ask
[h=2]Do you believe Americans have gone away from the bible?[/h]

America is a secular democratic nation with a secular constitution which provides freedom of religion for all Americans.
It is unconstitutional for the government to favor any particular religion regarding any law.
Thus, the nation itself cannot "go away" from the Bible because it was never based on the Bible.
People within the nation, however, can base their lives on the Bible and you can inquire as to how people's opinions concerning the Bible have changed.
 
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Just to comment on the original poll question
It should ask
Do you believe Americans have gone away from the bible?



America is a secular democratic nation with a secular constitution which provides freedom of religion for all Americans.
It is unconstitutional for the government to favor any particular religion regarding any law.
Thus, the nation itself cannot "go away" from the Bible because it was never based on the Bible.
People within the nation, however, can base their lives on the Bible and you can inquire as to how people's opinions concerning the Bible have changed.
Well I'm glad it's like this anyway, just to cause less drama because if this was a all christian country and the country itself followed the laws of the bible... Let's just say I doubt christians themselves would want to live here anymore. It would be just like the Middle East..

But hey, then comes the question.. Will that be the right thing to do? Follow the book?
 
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danalee

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Hey thanks for the info. And to be honest, That sounds just like my theory, Its weird how ive always assumed that and you mentioned this out of no where... another sign? idk.

Whats the source of christians saying jesus is god... the bible. well muslims use the quran as there word just like we do for the bible.



I was once debating with a muslim about which book could be right, and that this will be always be a battle because no one can really prove which is right.

he said " well, two things. Islam is a religion from Abraham, so no doubt these are the three main religions. The koran mentions EVERYTHING the bible mentions, except the teachings of jesus being god. The bible itself mentions JESUS is not god, then mention he is. How many versions of the bible are there..?"

i said " I dont know, many"

he said, "well, theres only one book for us, and its been the same for the last 1400 years and NO VERSIONS have been made of it. We dont follow the Koran of mark, koran of muhammad, koran of peter, we follow the KORAN which is the book of god. we dont need other people recreating our book and confusing our own people with their OWN OPINIONS. we simply read the book and understand it. Us muslims Know your bible more than yourselves, we follow JESUS teachings according to the bible better than christians, Maybe some muslims practice jihad, NOT offensive JIHAD but defensive. WHICH is killing because we were attacked first."

i said "Exactly, killing all in all is wrong so why do it"

he said "I will never kill, nor will any other muslim i know, the ones in the middle east being Attacked will, but i wont. God clearly mentioned in the koran Killing one life is as if you killed the whole world, and saving one life is as youve saved the whole world"

i mentioned about muslim women

he said "my mother, my sister, and all the women in my family are treated as queens, we live the normal american life, go out watch movies, go to the mall, interact, as a normal family. Yes, many arabs hit their wives i wont deny it, but tell me when the last time women abuse in AMERICA wasnt a problem? There are many bad people on earth, its who YOU decide to be and decide what to do"
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back to the point later on, he mentioned one more thing about the quran before i left.
Heres what i heard which honestly made my heart drop for christianity.

he said "Have you watched that one movie the book of eli, where denzel memorizes the bible because there were no more bibles left? did you notice how HAPPY the people on the island were when they realized that someone actually was going to KEEP the bible, THE WORD OF GOD alive? did you see that?"

i said "Yes i remember"

He said "If Every Koran in the world was burnt, maybe i wont be the one to keep it alive for the world, but muslims could have 1 million muslims lined up, repeating everysingle verse word for word in the same order it was written at the same time. Thats how dedicated we are to our religion. What you see on the media, thats 1% of the muslims, Dont let your ears deceive you, because hey im talking to you right now and your about to leave, you are going to leave Alive"

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Honest this was as close as i can remember word for word of what he said.
I have never met a more gentle, caring person then him. This was almost one year ago and when i was a muslim racist.
They tone, the evil, i had towards him while having that debate was unreal, Why?
Because my mother taught me muslims were bad, why? because she watchs the news and never cared to learn, not even about christianity did she care.

Well, thats my point.. and honestly, everything just makes sense about their religion.


By the way... Do we christians follow the TORAH in any way? is it considered part of the old testament?
I can't answer your questions. I do understand the context you took my words. However, they are based in factual knowledge that not all Muslims are living as good people according to the Quran. We deal with a lot of hate from all cultures, it's just my pure observation that where I work the intoxicated Somalis tend to have some very strong words for people of different cultures. I'm almost positive that is because of the newness in their being here. However, it was still a point that I as a Christian am not seeing any better behaviors from the Muslim community than I do from the Christian one. I come here to honestly learn from other Christians, because it would seem reasonable to find an online community that cohered with my beliefs. If you want to come on a Christian message blog and debate Islam, I'm just going to say that your motive seems offensive. While I know that all people have goodness from God, I still believe in the message of Christ and that's just not going to change. It's just not true that Christians are not living by their book, while Muslims are radiating in purity....lol
 
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Sorry im a little slow, so you agree we must follow the books to enter heaven?
Walking, or treading our path through life, in the "light" of God is something the writer John speaks about. It has a contrast in those who walk in darkness. Those who walk "in the light" are exposed. The light shows every detail of their lives. It guides their way. It illuminates their weaknesses and failures, so that the one walking in the light can be introspective and repent and strive to become a better person. Whereas those who walk in darkness do not care about their behavior. They have no guide, and they have no exposure to God or the rest of the world. They simply live without conscience, without Godly sorrow, without any regret for their actions. While no one in this world will ever be perfect, Jesus said you should be perfect. But the word perfect that he used has reference not to behavior, but to maturity, or being a man as opposed to being a little child. To be responsible for your actions and mature in your decisions.
Being Christian means being free from the law, which demanded sacrifice. Being Christian means living in that light John spoke about. Allowing God to influence us instead of walking in darkness and not caring at all. It means being "Free". And being free we practically have a license to sin. But Paul addresses this when he asks whether we should continue to sin and let grace abound in forgiving our sins. He answers, May God forbid.

A Christian wanting to continue in sin is an abuse of the freedom we have in Jesus. We should live in appreciation of the great gift of salvation He has given us, and not abuse His Love, for God IS Love.


The Gospel of John says that everything that Jesus did simply could not be recorded. It would take more books than this world could hold. But what is written is given so that we may also believe (as Paul did). So there are no rule books. There are warnings and exhortations given in the New Testament, but the intent is to reveal the difference between the Children of Light and the children of darkness. Simply put, NO, following the books will not "merit" salvation. One should do good things because that is what Jesus did, not because they have been instructed to. No work of man can merit salvation, not even faith itself merits salvation. We should live as Jesus did, but if we do not, for whatever reason, He is our defense attorney in the court of God, and will plead our case before God.

I haven't given verse references for my statements because I don't have them readily available, and didn't want to lose my train of thought. I am trusting that you already know what I'm speaking about anyway. God bless you and keep you and may His Countenance shine upon you. M
 
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Walking, or treading our path through life, in the "light" of God is something the writer John speaks about. It has a contrast in those who walk in darkness. Those who walk "in the light" are exposed. The light shows every detail of their lives. It guides their way. It illuminates their weaknesses and failures, so that the one walking in the light can be introspective and repent and strive to become a better person. Whereas those who walk in darkness do not care about their behavior. They have no guide, and they have no exposure to God or the rest of the world. They simply live without conscience, without Godly sorrow, without any regret for their actions. While no one in this world will ever be perfect, Jesus said you should be perfect. But the word perfect that he used has reference not to behavior, but to maturity, or being a man as opposed to being a little child. To be responsible for your actions and mature in your decisions.
Being Christian means being free from the law, which demanded sacrifice. Being Christian means living in that light John spoke about. Allowing God to influence us instead of walking in darkness and not caring at all. It means being "Free". And being free we practically have a license to sin. But Paul addresses this when he asks whether we should continue to sin and let grace abound in forgiving our sins. He answers, May God forbid.

A Christian wanting to continue in sin is an abuse of the freedom we have in Jesus. We should live in appreciation of the great gift of salvation He has given us, and not abuse His Love, for God IS Love.


The Gospel of John says that everything that Jesus did simply could not be recorded. It would take more books than this world could hold. But what is written is given so that we may also believe (as Paul did). So there are no rule books. There are warnings and exhortations given in the New Testament, but the intent is to reveal the difference between the Children of Light and the children of darkness. Simply put, NO, following the books will not "merit" salvation. One should do good things because that is what Jesus did, not because they have been instructed to. No work of man can merit salvation, not even faith itself merits salvation. We should live as Jesus did, but if we do not, for whatever reason, He is our defense attorney in the court of God, and will plead our case before God.

I haven't given verse references for my statements because I don't have them readily available, and didn't want to lose my train of thought. I am trusting that you already know what I'm speaking about anyway. God bless you and keep you and may His Countenance shine upon you. M
are you serious? Have you even read the bible or are you just following what you were taught by someone else who didn't read the bible either.

"John says" "John said " john believed. So did peter.

Okay. So you follow them and not jesus?

jesus didn't die for oursins, everyone is responsible for their sins, every sin you've made is still there unless you've repented to god, not jesus , but god. The same one jesus prayed to and told everyone else to pray to.

If jesus died for our sins how are we born with sins...?????

You all are so confused. God gave us a brain, for what? To use it. Open your eyes and read the truth
 
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I can't answer your questions. I do understand the context you took my words. However, they are based in factual knowledge that not all Muslims are living as good people according to the Quran. We deal with a lot of hate from all cultures, it's just my pure observation that where I work the intoxicated Somalis tend to have some very strong words for people of different cultures. I'm almost positive that is because of the newness in their being here. However, it was still a point that I as a Christian am not seeing any better behaviors from the Muslim community than I do from the Christian one. I come here to honestly learn from other Christians, because it would seem reasonable to find an online community that cohered with my beliefs. If you want to come on a Christian message blog and debate Islam, I'm just going to say that your motive seems offensive. While I know that all people have goodness from God, I still believe in the message of Christ and that's just not going to change. It's just not true that Christians are not living by their book, while Muslims are radiating in purity....lol
I was never preaching islam I was comparing, god lead me here to talk to you guys to convince me that islam is right.
That quote u sent earlier about what islam believes of jesus is what I believed of jesus using my own brain without the Koran.

And nd since you mentioned that, it made me believe my own theory which of course anyone would love to do is follow their own theory.


I love you sister
 
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Walking, or treading our path through life, in the "light" of God is something the writer John speaks about. It has a contrast in those who walk in darkness. Those who walk "in the light" are exposed. The light shows every detail of their lives. It guides their way. It illuminates their weaknesses and failures, so that the one walking in the light can be introspective and repent and strive to become a better person. Whereas those who walk in darkness do not care about their behavior. They have no guide, and they have no exposure to God or the rest of the world. They simply live without conscience, without Godly sorrow, without any regret for their actions. While no one in this world will ever be perfect, Jesus said you should be perfect. But the word perfect that he used has reference not to behavior, but to maturity, or being a man as opposed to being a little child. To be responsible for your actions and mature in your decisions.
Being Christian means being free from the law, which demanded sacrifice. Being Christian means living in that light John spoke about. Allowing God to influence us instead of walking in darkness and not caring at all. It means being "Free". And being free we practically have a license to sin. But Paul addresses this when he asks whether we should continue to sin and let grace abound in forgiving our sins. He answers, May God forbid.

A Christian wanting to continue in sin is an abuse of the freedom we have in Jesus. We should live in appreciation of the great gift of salvation He has given us, and not abuse His Love, for God IS Love.


The Gospel of John says that everything that Jesus did simply could not be recorded. It would take more books than this world could hold. But what is written is given so that we may also believe (as Paul did). So there are no rule books. There are warnings and exhortations given in the New Testament, but the intent is to reveal the difference between the Children of Light and the children of darkness. Simply put, NO, following the books will not "merit" salvation. One should do good things because that is what Jesus did, not because they have been instructed to. No work of man can merit salvation, not even faith itself merits salvation. We should live as Jesus did, but if we do not, for whatever reason, He is our defense attorney in the court of God, and will plead our case before God.

I haven't given verse references for my statements because I don't have them readily available, and didn't want to lose my train of thought. I am trusting that you already know what I'm speaking about anyway. God bless you and keep you and may His Countenance shine upon you. M
By the way those weren't my opinions rather jesus him self as mention I'm the bible and the Koran. Pray to the god jesus prayed to
 
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Layre333, Where did you get the idea I hate Muslims? I hatte no person. But I do hate sin. I hate evil. but since my God is not an acceptor of the person neither am I. I know Allah of the Quoran is not my God and that Allah does not even exist. There is only one TRUE GOD and His name is in person of the MAN of God ... Jesus Christ.

You are really confused but if you believe what you read when you read the KJV the confusion will make place for God's perfect Word. And His Word is truth and the Truth shall make you free.... Even free from confusion.... Jesus said to His people that ehy shall know the Truth and the truth shall make them free.

Here is something that should make you less confuse.... Jesus says I AND THE FATHER ARE ONE! So now you should be less confused. If you do not know how they are one then tell me this... If I have a spirit in me ans you have the EXACT same spirit in you would we not be the SAME or at least ONE person? You see God the Father is the Holy Spirit and Jesus is flesh with the Holy Spirit in Him. So He and the FATHER IS ONE SPIRIT... ONE GOD. The whole GLORY of the Holy Spirit cannot be contained in HIS FULL GLORY in flesh. Flesh cannot contain the full glory of God, but it can contain it in such a manner that the glory of God in flesh makes the flesh a HOLY MAN OF GOD. And that is what God does to make a man holy... He fills the flesh with His Spirit. Ecacctly what Jesus was.


So ask away, but this time just ask a question to me and I will answer.


I will ask you this.... Can a man be holy without the Spirit of God filling him? I say NO!


And there is no such thing as a GOOD MUSLIM or a GOOD CHRISTIAN... there is only ONE that is Good. Jesus says ONLY GOD IS GOOD. And GOOD Muslims is not Muslim, Allah DEMANDS them to war against Christians.. so if they do not they are BAD MUSLIMS... Good Musloms do what their God (Allah) tells them to do. They make war Alah's way. Also there is no Good or bad Chrisitans... A Christian is a follower of Jesus and HE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT IS GOOD... So there! It should help you a bit. Good people has the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus in them and then it is GOD IN THEM THAT IS GOOD!
 
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are you serious? Have you even read the bible or are you just following what you were taught by someone else who didn't read the bible either.

"John says" "John said " john believed. So did peter.

Okay. So you follow them and not jesus?



jesus didn't die for oursins, everyone is responsible for their sins, every sin you've made is still there unless you've repented to god, not jesus , but god. The same one jesus prayed to and told everyone else to pray to.

If jesus died for our sins how are we born with sins...?????

You all are so confused. God gave us a brain, for what? To use it. Open your eyes and read the truth
So you think that a person must EARN their salvation? Are YOU serious? If we could be perfect, we would not need Jesus to atone for our sins. We would never be guilty of sin. And you believe we are born with sin because that is what you have been taught. People do not "inherit" sin. They die the death that Adam died when they sin in the way that Adam sinned, so go back to Genesis and get it straight: What did God say to Adam? Do not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for in the DAY that you eat it, YOU SHALL SURELY DIE! When did Adam die? The man lived for over 700 years. Yet God told him he would die IN THE DAY that he ate of that tree. So did Adam die? Yes, he died SPIRITUALLY. God was not warning Adam about physical death. He was warning him about spiritual death. You believe differently because you have been taught Calvinism and Hereditary Depravity. When you look at the scriptures properly, you will realize that Paul in Romans was actually saying that it was SPIRITUAL death which came into the world because of Adam's sin. And when we sin today, as Adam did, then we suffer the same sentence Adam suffered. BECAUSE HE DID NOT PHYSCALLY DROP DEAD IN THE DAY THAT HE ATE THE FRUIT. Either God lied to Adam, or it was spiritual death that Adam suffered. Get it wrong in Genesis, and you will get a lot of other things wrong.
 
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I have made a mistake with you. I have now read some of your other posts and realize that you are not Christian and therefore do not know the various doctrines in the Christian churches.
You are Muslim. And you do not understand English concepts of context and intent.
So you probably have no idea what Calvinism or Hereditary Depravity is.
I can now see by some of your scripture quotes and questions that you do not understand what you are talking about when it comes to the bible. You reject that Jesus is God. My only response is: "Find the body". Find the body of Jesus and prove that He was just a man. Where is the body?