all works are not created equal
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I think you missed what I was trying to convey. I am not taking anything away from God, who initially DRAWS and even PROMPTS us to do what He wants, but when we act on that belief, that action we take is the work of faith I have been referring to. God might prompt you to pray for someone, but you have a choice whether to act on that prompt or not, and if you chose to act on it such as I did with a bone spur in my hand, then God steps in and moves according to OUR faith.
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How do you tie in this: Your faith has saved you. Go and sin no more.
And don't think I am arguing. I am trying to understand the whole round ball.
And don't think I am arguing. I am trying to understand the whole round ball.
Tie to what? (I do not understand your question)
Your faith has saved you (your sin has not condemned you) now, Go, and do not do it again.. or else I will take your salvation back?
He never said she would lose salvation if she did do it again. so again, Not sure what you mean..
Are you able to draw a distinction between what a work of the law is, or what a good work is, or what the fruits of the Spirit are, or what a work of faith is? I ask, because most seem to be associating works of the law, good works, and fruit of the Spirit with works of faith. I have been trying to explain what works of faith are. Would you care to give it a shot?
Anyone who does what is good is from God. Anyone who does what is evil has not seen God.
3 John 1:11
A good work, helping someone is not exclusive to believers.
The story of the good samaritan is a case in point.
Acts of love have everlasting value, which include all good works.
Nothing tells us that anyone good or evil cannot do an act of love.
And equally all of life is part of Gods gift to mankind so part of who
Christ is.
3 John 1:11
A good work, helping someone is not exclusive to believers.
The story of the good samaritan is a case in point.
Acts of love have everlasting value, which include all good works.
Nothing tells us that anyone good or evil cannot do an act of love.
And equally all of life is part of Gods gift to mankind so part of who
Christ is.
How is it a reward. Yes, it is rewarding, but it certainly is not earned. If anything, it would be a fruit.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
If you understood what works of faith were and didn't see it as a reward, then we could start off on the right foot. We are saved by grace ONLY because of WHO is inside us before we act on what we believe. Salvation is made only AFTER we act on what we believe, which is to confess Jesus as our personal lord and savior.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Scripture shows that salvation is made after one confesses, not before. One believes to become righteous, but until confession or some other act of faith is made, salvation has not taken place. That is why James says, "but wilt thou know oh vain man, that faith without works is dead?" He goes on to say that even Abraham was justified by His work of faith.
Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Joh 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
If you understood what works of faith were and didn't see it as a reward, then we could start off on the right foot. We are saved by grace ONLY because of WHO is inside us before we act on what we believe. Salvation is made only AFTER we act on what we believe, which is to confess Jesus as our personal lord and savior.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Scripture shows that salvation is made after one confesses, not before. One believes to become righteous, but until confession or some other act of faith is made, salvation has not taken place. That is why James says, "but wilt thou know oh vain man, that faith without works is dead?" He goes on to say that even Abraham was justified by His work of faith.
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A work by definition is a work done by a person to relieve a reward.
a wage is a reward, A crown is a reward. Gold silver and precious stones are rewards, Yes, even wood hay and straw are rewards.
salvation is not a reward. So why are you even trying to compare the two? I do not understand.
This makes no sense, Faith is not a work, So how can you even compare the two? Faith is not even a reward, IT TO IS A GIFT.
Well since God is not INSIDE us UNTIL we have faith, again, Not sure what you mean here.
No, Salvation is made only AFTER we have faith. Abraham was saved BEFORE he did one act, He trusted God and God accredited to his account righteousness.
Confess it to who, God or man (rom 10?) And this is not a work, unless your tryign to draw attention, Like the pharisee did. which would make it a filthy rag workbecause they were trying to gain from it.
Thats not a work, That is trusting in GODS work.
Paul said Abraham was saved NOT BY WORKS, else he has something to gain (a reward)
Abraham trusted in Gods work, not his own, thats the point. James were speaking to hearers not doers. You can CONFESS all you want, if your faith is dead it means nothing.
a wage is a reward, A crown is a reward. Gold silver and precious stones are rewards, Yes, even wood hay and straw are rewards.
salvation is not a reward. So why are you even trying to compare the two? I do not understand.
This makes no sense, Faith is not a work, So how can you even compare the two? Faith is not even a reward, IT TO IS A GIFT.
Well since God is not INSIDE us UNTIL we have faith, again, Not sure what you mean here.
No, Salvation is made only AFTER we have faith. Abraham was saved BEFORE he did one act, He trusted God and God accredited to his account righteousness.
Confess it to who, God or man (rom 10?) And this is not a work, unless your tryign to draw attention, Like the pharisee did. which would make it a filthy rag workbecause they were trying to gain from it.
Thats not a work, That is trusting in GODS work.
Paul said Abraham was saved NOT BY WORKS, else he has something to gain (a reward)
Abraham trusted in Gods work, not his own, thats the point. James were speaking to hearers not doers. You can CONFESS all you want, if your faith is dead it means nothing.