An answer to the prosperity Gospel
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The bible is full of promises,blessing,prosperity,etc.
have never thought of the word of God as being taboo or off limits,and have never thought of prosperity as "money only" nor have a seen any person depress and defeated because they got blessed.
"well tell your give me,give me,bless me to aa saint in ethiopia in prison with vermin crawling and biting him...tell it to him!"
Uh,If such a thing happens to ANYONE they better hope they have a little word under their belt.
The joy of the Lord is not circumstantial.
prosperity is relative, not fixed.
God is NOT A God of DECREASE.
Yes faith is not measured by wealth.
Godliness is not measured by hating christians and seeing who can come up with the most disgusting scenarion of disease and torture implying this is the only path for a REAL believer.
The believers walk is a walk,not a pendalum to swing as wide as possible to eject verses in favor of my radical error through emphasis.
have never thought of the word of God as being taboo or off limits,and have never thought of prosperity as "money only" nor have a seen any person depress and defeated because they got blessed.
"well tell your give me,give me,bless me to aa saint in ethiopia in prison with vermin crawling and biting him...tell it to him!"
Uh,If such a thing happens to ANYONE they better hope they have a little word under their belt.
The joy of the Lord is not circumstantial.
prosperity is relative, not fixed.
God is NOT A God of DECREASE.
Yes faith is not measured by wealth.
Godliness is not measured by hating christians and seeing who can come up with the most disgusting scenarion of disease and torture implying this is the only path for a REAL believer.
The believers walk is a walk,not a pendalum to swing as wide as possible to eject verses in favor of my radical error through emphasis.
Hagin will give an account of himself and his movement in Glory like we all will.
It is not my intention to slander him, I am sorry if it comes across that way. However, I will proclaim that his WOF movement does not line up at all with the Bible.
I believe in the law of sowing and reaping, that healing is for today, that God wants to prosper us and that we give without expectation of return and by that obedience we are blessed.
I will not ever believe Blessings are always monetary, because they are not nor do I believe that I GIVE to GET.
Many outsiders like you assume people like me are Haters. Wrong, but you just listened and we lived and those to things are very different. I know many former WOFers that are just as vocal as I am about the doctrine and not he man.
There is no indictment when truth is present. If you have not lived it, it is very hard to even care what you say about it.
I was not trying to be harsh, but it's just a truth. Outsiders always think former insiders are just haters. Nope, we lived it and know the belly of the beast and the beast in Broken Arrow is getting smaller and crumbling.
Its like what Acts 5 says. If this is not of God it will pass, sometimes it takes time, but eventually it will pass, and the WOF as a whole, is passing right before our very eyes. Many are leaving the movement, but it is a quiet tidal wave.
It is not my intention to slander him, I am sorry if it comes across that way. However, I will proclaim that his WOF movement does not line up at all with the Bible.
I believe in the law of sowing and reaping, that healing is for today, that God wants to prosper us and that we give without expectation of return and by that obedience we are blessed.
I will not ever believe Blessings are always monetary, because they are not nor do I believe that I GIVE to GET.
Many outsiders like you assume people like me are Haters. Wrong, but you just listened and we lived and those to things are very different. I know many former WOFers that are just as vocal as I am about the doctrine and not he man.
There is no indictment when truth is present. If you have not lived it, it is very hard to even care what you say about it.
I was not trying to be harsh, but it's just a truth. Outsiders always think former insiders are just haters. Nope, we lived it and know the belly of the beast and the beast in Broken Arrow is getting smaller and crumbling.
Its like what Acts 5 says. If this is not of God it will pass, sometimes it takes time, but eventually it will pass, and the WOF as a whole, is passing right before our very eyes. Many are leaving the movement, but it is a quiet tidal wave.
I like what theologian Justin Peters has to say about the Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel movement. He has a video series on YouTube titled "A Call For Discernment".
According to Peters, the WoF has occult origins, and it revolves around the "law of attraction", which is promoted in the book "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne. WoF was born out of the metaphysical cults, which produced followers such as Mary Baker Eddy (founder of Christian Science) and Phineas P. Quimby.
Justin also says that a man by the name of E.W. Kenyon is considered the "grandfather" of the Word of Faith movement. He was originally an orthodox (not Eastern) pastor who began to mix metaphysical teachings into his belief system. Following in his footsteps, and worsening the error, was Kenneth Hagin, who is known as the father of WoF or more affectionately, "Daddy Hagin".
Kenneth Copeland is considered to be the leader of the modern faith movement. He appeals to Hagin quite often.
So the upshot of the WoF/Prosperity Gospel movement is that we can have anything we say and that God is obligated to give it to us. We must always (especially according to Joel Osteen) think positively and never think negatively. If we think good thoughts, good things will come (again, law of attraction). Conversely, if we think bad thoughts, bad things will happen.
God is just a puppet that we can manipulate, according to these teachers. It's the same lie that Satan told in the garden. He promised Eve, then Adam (and by extension all the human race) that we could be "like God, knowing good and evil". Satan (then Lucifer) wanted to be like God. When he was kicked out of heaven, he set his sights on mankind. And the WoF/Prosperity Gospel movement is one of the biggest vehicles for that lie.
According to Peters, the WoF has occult origins, and it revolves around the "law of attraction", which is promoted in the book "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne. WoF was born out of the metaphysical cults, which produced followers such as Mary Baker Eddy (founder of Christian Science) and Phineas P. Quimby.
Justin also says that a man by the name of E.W. Kenyon is considered the "grandfather" of the Word of Faith movement. He was originally an orthodox (not Eastern) pastor who began to mix metaphysical teachings into his belief system. Following in his footsteps, and worsening the error, was Kenneth Hagin, who is known as the father of WoF or more affectionately, "Daddy Hagin".
Kenneth Copeland is considered to be the leader of the modern faith movement. He appeals to Hagin quite often.
So the upshot of the WoF/Prosperity Gospel movement is that we can have anything we say and that God is obligated to give it to us. We must always (especially according to Joel Osteen) think positively and never think negatively. If we think good thoughts, good things will come (again, law of attraction). Conversely, if we think bad thoughts, bad things will happen.
God is just a puppet that we can manipulate, according to these teachers. It's the same lie that Satan told in the garden. He promised Eve, then Adam (and by extension all the human race) that we could be "like God, knowing good and evil". Satan (then Lucifer) wanted to be like God. When he was kicked out of heaven, he set his sights on mankind. And the WoF/Prosperity Gospel movement is one of the biggest vehicles for that lie.
I agree with you on certain points here, but I would caution you on Justin Peters. My comments about Peters are not meant to defend the WOF movement, because it is pretty clear to folks here where I stand on the WOF movement.
Justin Peters is no better than the ones he constantly seeks to destroy. What he does not share with people is that he was raised WOF and in the movement for years. Justin also has Cerebral Palsy. He never received healing for his CP and he left the WOF movement. Mnay in the WOF movement stated he is very bitter about his CP and wallows in false humility.
Likewise, I know many folks outside of WOF that have had Justin come to their church and they discovered he rants and seeks to destroy and seems very bitter over his disability and wallows in false humility.
Justin Peteres love to barge in uninvited and unannounced to WOF or Charismatic churches and demand his healing, when the minister cannot produce he begins open rebukes, calling them devils and demons, etc Search the internet and find videos from cell phnes and other things that prove this.
He actually assaulted one minister that could not produice his helaing by striking him several times with his crutches. He was arrested for that and then let go, because the Pastor he assaulted had love to not press charges against Justin.
Peters does nothing Biblical in his approach to correcting the WOF movement, he simply attacks and condemns. Any person that is not willing to follow the Bible in correction should not be paid attention to.
I went to a meeting where he was talking once, and 20 minutes later walked out. He appears very bitter and very fake in his humility. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder because of his CP and is out to destroy what he believes could not heal him
I want to make clear that I hold no ill will for Mr. Peters nor think he is faking his disability or attempting to profit off of it, because he is not. I do not feel sorry for him either, he seems to harbor vast amounts of un-forgiveness, which is also not a cause of his CP. I think he needs to calm the storm in his own spirit, before calming the storm of the WOF movement.
WOF does not heal, Jesus Heals and Mr. Peters seemed to have forgotten that somewhere along the way.
I have to also speak about EW Kenyon was never really WOF, He Died in 1947. It is suggested that "Dad" Ken Hagin plagiarized most of Kenyon's writings. If you read Kenyon and then Hagin, you can make your own mind up. It was Hagin who is regarded has the father of the WOF movement.
Kenyon actually lovingly rebuked folks like Mary Baker Eddy (founder of Christian Science) and Phineas P. Quimby as well as much of the metaphysical cults. He regarded them correctly has demonic.
Kenyon did operate his entire ministry by faith. They believed God for everything, but he never promoted the blab it and grab it, name it and claim it false doctrine we see today. God provided Kenyon with vast resources. Kenyon lived off 10% and gave God the 90%.
Kenyon did have some interesting doctrine, that one could argue is suspect and I learned to spit some sticks out of his hay. In his defense one of his best books and teachings is called 2 Kinds of Righteousness. That little Book, backed with scriptures to prove what he was teaching[Kenyon only taught out of the Word] tore apart works based religion and salvation and proved that JESUS+NOTHING=EVERYTHING. Which is actually completely contrary to what WOF teaches as far as works based faith and that you can lose your salvation.
Again I am not condemning Justin Peters, his fruit speaks louder than his rants.
Justin Peters is no better than the ones he constantly seeks to destroy. What he does not share with people is that he was raised WOF and in the movement for years. Justin also has Cerebral Palsy. He never received healing for his CP and he left the WOF movement. Mnay in the WOF movement stated he is very bitter about his CP and wallows in false humility.
Likewise, I know many folks outside of WOF that have had Justin come to their church and they discovered he rants and seeks to destroy and seems very bitter over his disability and wallows in false humility.
Justin Peteres love to barge in uninvited and unannounced to WOF or Charismatic churches and demand his healing, when the minister cannot produce he begins open rebukes, calling them devils and demons, etc Search the internet and find videos from cell phnes and other things that prove this.
He actually assaulted one minister that could not produice his helaing by striking him several times with his crutches. He was arrested for that and then let go, because the Pastor he assaulted had love to not press charges against Justin.
Peters does nothing Biblical in his approach to correcting the WOF movement, he simply attacks and condemns. Any person that is not willing to follow the Bible in correction should not be paid attention to.
I went to a meeting where he was talking once, and 20 minutes later walked out. He appears very bitter and very fake in his humility. He seems to have a chip on his shoulder because of his CP and is out to destroy what he believes could not heal him
I want to make clear that I hold no ill will for Mr. Peters nor think he is faking his disability or attempting to profit off of it, because he is not. I do not feel sorry for him either, he seems to harbor vast amounts of un-forgiveness, which is also not a cause of his CP. I think he needs to calm the storm in his own spirit, before calming the storm of the WOF movement.
WOF does not heal, Jesus Heals and Mr. Peters seemed to have forgotten that somewhere along the way.
I have to also speak about EW Kenyon was never really WOF, He Died in 1947. It is suggested that "Dad" Ken Hagin plagiarized most of Kenyon's writings. If you read Kenyon and then Hagin, you can make your own mind up. It was Hagin who is regarded has the father of the WOF movement.
Kenyon actually lovingly rebuked folks like Mary Baker Eddy (founder of Christian Science) and Phineas P. Quimby as well as much of the metaphysical cults. He regarded them correctly has demonic.
Kenyon did operate his entire ministry by faith. They believed God for everything, but he never promoted the blab it and grab it, name it and claim it false doctrine we see today. God provided Kenyon with vast resources. Kenyon lived off 10% and gave God the 90%.
Kenyon did have some interesting doctrine, that one could argue is suspect and I learned to spit some sticks out of his hay. In his defense one of his best books and teachings is called 2 Kinds of Righteousness. That little Book, backed with scriptures to prove what he was teaching[Kenyon only taught out of the Word] tore apart works based religion and salvation and proved that JESUS+NOTHING=EVERYTHING. Which is actually completely contrary to what WOF teaches as far as works based faith and that you can lose your salvation.
Again I am not condemning Justin Peters, his fruit speaks louder than his rants.
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Life in this verse is talking about love, existance, reality, truth, honesty, integrity. Jesus is emphasising he did not come to make you a self punisher, a failure who never makes the grade, someone who is a mess which just gets worse.
Jesus puts things in their proper place, with the things that matter most first and the rest following. Sin always wants to short circuit the order and get responsibility before the ability to behave responsibly, so people just muck it up.
It is greed, the sense of ownership and entitlement, domination and amassing security that runs this world and sin. It makes people worthless, and the counting of your bank balance the only thing of value, while all your relationships die.
So bad is the prosperity gospel they believe they can command wealth into existance, which is just so evil and self centred. It is the Lords will, His perfect and wonderful way of working things out for His Kingdom.
Jesus puts things in their proper place, with the things that matter most first and the rest following. Sin always wants to short circuit the order and get responsibility before the ability to behave responsibly, so people just muck it up.
It is greed, the sense of ownership and entitlement, domination and amassing security that runs this world and sin. It makes people worthless, and the counting of your bank balance the only thing of value, while all your relationships die.
So bad is the prosperity gospel they believe they can command wealth into existance, which is just so evil and self centred. It is the Lords will, His perfect and wonderful way of working things out for His Kingdom.
I appreciate the explanation 
I had no idea about those incidents involving Peters. As far as his CP is concerned, I had never up to this point hear him speak bitterly about it. He has said, based on what I've heard, that he realized that it was not God's will to heal him of his disability and he now sees it as a blessing. I'm not doubting what you said; it's just that I've never heard Peters speak that way before.
And to take the thread in a slightly different (but related) direction, I am aware that Justin is very much associated with John MacArthur and Phil Johnson, who were part of the "Strange Fire" conference. I am not condemning Mac or Johnson; just pointing out some information.
One point that I don't necessarily agree with Justin on is his assertion that a wife shouldn't work outside the home. Whether he believes it's an outright sin or that it may simply not be God's will is unclear. However, he has taken that stance as well.
Other pastors/theologians who have spoken against the WoF movement are John Piper, Michael Horton, Paul Washer, Matt Chandler and the late Adrian Rogers. So Justin Peters isn't my sole source for refutation of WoF.
I had no idea about those incidents involving Peters. As far as his CP is concerned, I had never up to this point hear him speak bitterly about it. He has said, based on what I've heard, that he realized that it was not God's will to heal him of his disability and he now sees it as a blessing. I'm not doubting what you said; it's just that I've never heard Peters speak that way before.
And to take the thread in a slightly different (but related) direction, I am aware that Justin is very much associated with John MacArthur and Phil Johnson, who were part of the "Strange Fire" conference. I am not condemning Mac or Johnson; just pointing out some information.
One point that I don't necessarily agree with Justin on is his assertion that a wife shouldn't work outside the home. Whether he believes it's an outright sin or that it may simply not be God's will is unclear. However, he has taken that stance as well.
Other pastors/theologians who have spoken against the WoF movement are John Piper, Michael Horton, Paul Washer, Matt Chandler and the late Adrian Rogers. So Justin Peters isn't my sole source for refutation of WoF.
This is pure slander. It is neither biblical or fair. The WOF is heretical, has been corrupt and hypocritical for years and years. Whether Justin Peters is at peace with his disability is neither here nor there, but unfortunately is you want to attack the man who is merely making true observations you have lost the plot and your own integrity.
I have friends who have seen the prosperity gospel destroy churches and weep over what has happened. The problem is people want so badly revival, or people believing they are speaking the truth, surely people would believe if only they saw miracles. This is the same lie the pharisees wanted, yet every healing was talked away and put down to satan.
They did not care about the forgiveness of sins and walking in truth and righteousness. Any christian group who walks away from these root principles no longer walks with the Lord. So much money is involved, there is no reason why these guys should stop, because it would be financial suicide. That is the deceitfulness of wealth.
I have friends who have seen the prosperity gospel destroy churches and weep over what has happened. The problem is people want so badly revival, or people believing they are speaking the truth, surely people would believe if only they saw miracles. This is the same lie the pharisees wanted, yet every healing was talked away and put down to satan.
They did not care about the forgiveness of sins and walking in truth and righteousness. Any christian group who walks away from these root principles no longer walks with the Lord. So much money is involved, there is no reason why these guys should stop, because it would be financial suicide. That is the deceitfulness of wealth.