An Often Overlooked Sign of the Last Days
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Willie, I am reading at this very moment as I am reading your post. I read every single day and am currently back in book of Revelation, which I never really leave. It is you who cannot not read. For if you could, you would understand that those Pharisees, though called believer's, were holding on to the Law of Moses and claiming that the Gentile believers must circumcised and must obey the law of Moses. Of this fact I don't have to prove, because it is there in black and white and I listed it so that you could see it, but you still don't understand. Do you understand that these were Pharisees who were holding on to the law of Moses? If they were not believers in Christ, then they wouldn't have even been there and that because according to the law of Moses a Jew could not associate with a Gentile. Therefore, they were Pharisees who were still holding on to the law of Moses and trying to combine the two covenants. I guarantee you that my studies are nothing but thorough.
He's actually correct though, 'some'... of the Jewish converts from the Pharisees were... trying to force the keeping of their Jewish traditions upon believing Gentiles in order for them to belong to Christ's Church.
Per Paul even in Galatians, some of those Jewish converts went around spying on Gentiles in the bathroom to see if they had been circumcised or not.
We can still see some of these kind of things going on between some Messianic Jews and Gentile Christians when we are supposed to all be of one Body in Christ Jesus.
Per Paul even in Galatians, some of those Jewish converts went around spying on Gentiles in the bathroom to see if they had been circumcised or not.
We can still see some of these kind of things going on between some Messianic Jews and Gentile Christians when we are supposed to all be of one Body in Christ Jesus.
What I'm talking about in my post #240 from the Gen.49:10 prophecy is how God has ordained that Judah (i.e., the Jews) maintain their keeping of His laws that Jesus didn't do away with on His cross. It's something difficult to explain to most believing Gentiles like myself, but this is what the debate between Apostle Paul and his Jewish brethren was about.
If you notice the start of the Gen.49 Chapter, Jacob said that to his twelve sons of what would befall them in the "last days". So it's not something that was fulfilled and past today, it's still in effect until our Lord Jesus returns.
There is nothing written in Christian doctrine by Apostle Paul that says one must not... keep to God's laws. What Paul taught was that the law cannot 'save' anyone. We are saved ONLY by Faith on Jesus Christ and not by works of the law. Yet Paul taught that the law is good and was not made for the righteous, but for the ungodly and wicked (1 Tim.1).
The Holy Spirit (if the believer listens to Him) will lead the Gentile believer into alignment with God's laws naturally, simply by showing us what is good to do, and what is bad to do.
But there still has... to be someone in control and authority with administering God's laws upon the ungodly and wicked among us so that God's people might live in peace. This is still of EXTREME IMPORTANCE in a Christian society, and is essentially what the Gen.49:10 prophecy is about to Judah keeping possession of God's law all the way until Christ's return.
Just as from the beginning of Christ's Church in Apostle Paul's days there was a battle 'within' the Church because of Pharisee converts to Christ, there's also been a battle between God's enemies and His ordaining of Judah within the legal law system over the Christian nations. This is because there's even a battle going on within the Jew's own ranks with the "tares" that crept in among them long ago per Bible history.
All of this is revealed in God's Word if one studies all of His Word. And once you know about it, you can easily look at the history of Christian society mainly in the West, and see these battles still taking place, even today. There are factions still today in both Christ's Church, and in the law systems of western society that want to destroy the administering of God's laws upon the ungodly and wicked, and instead are trying to make us believe God changed His mind against certain standards of behavior. As many Churches today continue to adopt worldly standards based on human secularism and joining with other religions, etc., more brethren are leaving those kinds of Churches, as they should. But look at how many brethren are staying with those kinds of Churches, being deceived?
That's why it's VERY important to be able to recognize these battles today, both within the Church, and within western society, because the time will come at the end when most Christian organizational Churches won't look hardly anything like the early Church in the Apostle's days.
If you notice the start of the Gen.49 Chapter, Jacob said that to his twelve sons of what would befall them in the "last days". So it's not something that was fulfilled and past today, it's still in effect until our Lord Jesus returns.
There is nothing written in Christian doctrine by Apostle Paul that says one must not... keep to God's laws. What Paul taught was that the law cannot 'save' anyone. We are saved ONLY by Faith on Jesus Christ and not by works of the law. Yet Paul taught that the law is good and was not made for the righteous, but for the ungodly and wicked (1 Tim.1).
The Holy Spirit (if the believer listens to Him) will lead the Gentile believer into alignment with God's laws naturally, simply by showing us what is good to do, and what is bad to do.
But there still has... to be someone in control and authority with administering God's laws upon the ungodly and wicked among us so that God's people might live in peace. This is still of EXTREME IMPORTANCE in a Christian society, and is essentially what the Gen.49:10 prophecy is about to Judah keeping possession of God's law all the way until Christ's return.
Just as from the beginning of Christ's Church in Apostle Paul's days there was a battle 'within' the Church because of Pharisee converts to Christ, there's also been a battle between God's enemies and His ordaining of Judah within the legal law system over the Christian nations. This is because there's even a battle going on within the Jew's own ranks with the "tares" that crept in among them long ago per Bible history.
All of this is revealed in God's Word if one studies all of His Word. And once you know about it, you can easily look at the history of Christian society mainly in the West, and see these battles still taking place, even today. There are factions still today in both Christ's Church, and in the law systems of western society that want to destroy the administering of God's laws upon the ungodly and wicked, and instead are trying to make us believe God changed His mind against certain standards of behavior. As many Churches today continue to adopt worldly standards based on human secularism and joining with other religions, etc., more brethren are leaving those kinds of Churches, as they should. But look at how many brethren are staying with those kinds of Churches, being deceived?
That's why it's VERY important to be able to recognize these battles today, both within the Church, and within western society, because the time will come at the end when most Christian organizational Churches won't look hardly anything like the early Church in the Apostle's days.
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uh huh
I've been hanging out on Christian forums for ...oh...I'd say about 10 years or so now, so a person gets to know what kind of person lies behind a certain type of response
You tell me to 'take it up with Jesus if I don't like what you quoted from the Bible'
1.) Jesus did not tell you post those verses. He did not hand you a note and say Chuck...post these verses
2.) People with actual experience made up those lists. I, am also a person with experience and I agree with those lists.
3.) I have personally helped a good number of people by listening and praying with them...including folks, that apparently, you would reject cause they would not qualify for your type of Christianity
4.) Your leadership is actually only YOUR own leadership
Folks who misconstrue what someone posts and then state that the person they disagree with should take it up with Jesus, have no more authority to say that then Atom Ant.
Do you even begin to understand how flippant and condescending your comment that I should take it up with Jesus comes across?
You appear to be attempting to correct the whole gang here.
Correcting since February 2, 2016. Probably hiding behind Jesus told me to tell you much longer
Colossians 1:27 "To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:"
This teaches that Jesus Christ is inside the Born Again man. It is such a mystery that a sinless Saviour would dwell within our wicked bodies. Every Christian should consider this mystery and realize that Jesus should be King over our body, not ourselves. This thought should also keep us from sinning knowing that He is inside us. Every believer has two natures, the flesh and the spirit.
Ephesians 5:32 "This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
Ephesians 3:1 "For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;"
This mystery tells us that anyone who is saved is in the Body of Christ, which is the Bride of Christ (Rev. 21:9). After the Rapture and the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Body of Christ, who is the Bride will meet her Bridegroom Jesus Christ at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Rev. 19:9). Right now, the Body of Christ is called a chaste virgin (2 Cor. 11:2) because the marriage has not yet happened. Although the marriage has happened spiritually already (1 Cor. 6:17), it has not happened bodily (2 Cor. 5:6-8).
Romans 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:"
This mystery deals with the blindness of Israel as a nation and their restoration in the future during the Millennium. The mystery revealed is that God is not through with Israel. God will take the wandering Jews and bring them back to Palestine, which He has already done and convert them to Jesus Christ during the Tribulation. They will then get all of their land back in the Millennium.
1 Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
This mystery deals with the disappearance of the Body of Christ at the end of the Church Age, before the Tribulation. There will be two types of people that go up in this rapture, the saved dead and the saved that are still alive. The saved will get glorified bodies and go up to meet Jesus and it will happen "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye."
This teaches that Jesus Christ is inside the Born Again man. It is such a mystery that a sinless Saviour would dwell within our wicked bodies. Every Christian should consider this mystery and realize that Jesus should be King over our body, not ourselves. This thought should also keep us from sinning knowing that He is inside us. Every believer has two natures, the flesh and the spirit.
Ephesians 5:32 "This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church."
Ephesians 3:1 "For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, 2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;"
This mystery tells us that anyone who is saved is in the Body of Christ, which is the Bride of Christ (Rev. 21:9). After the Rapture and the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Body of Christ, who is the Bride will meet her Bridegroom Jesus Christ at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Rev. 19:9). Right now, the Body of Christ is called a chaste virgin (2 Cor. 11:2) because the marriage has not yet happened. Although the marriage has happened spiritually already (1 Cor. 6:17), it has not happened bodily (2 Cor. 5:6-8).
Romans 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. 29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. 30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:"
This mystery deals with the blindness of Israel as a nation and their restoration in the future during the Millennium. The mystery revealed is that God is not through with Israel. God will take the wandering Jews and bring them back to Palestine, which He has already done and convert them to Jesus Christ during the Tribulation. They will then get all of their land back in the Millennium.
1 Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
This mystery deals with the disappearance of the Body of Christ at the end of the Church Age, before the Tribulation. There will be two types of people that go up in this rapture, the saved dead and the saved that are still alive. The saved will get glorified bodies and go up to meet Jesus and it will happen "in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye."
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
(Mat 24:4-5)
I am a personal witness and victim of this prophecy being fulfilled.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
(Mat 24:11)
this too I have seen and at a time was a victim, however God opened my eyes by his grace. However sadly many are easily lured and deceived, youtube is the devils playground for false teachers and prophets and many ppl go there seeking all kinds of prophecies all kinds of predictions dreams and visions of the rapture and the end times with itching ears and believing what they hear mostly because they want to believe it. I know this mindset all too well as I once had it, I would actively go on youtube seeking any kind of evidence any kind of(proof) if that is what you would call it that the rapture is now that it's finally time to go home.
But my heart was damaged far more than I could have imagined and even now my heart has yet to recover from the damage false prophets and teachers did not as if they are entirely to blame I was the one who sought after them with itching ears under the illusion that I wanted to go home for the right reasons, I didn't want the rapture to happen because of my deep love for God I just wanted to go home I gave up living in this life as a warrior of God should so fixated on the rapture and the end times of going home getting away from pain sadness and really just gave up on this life.
Eventually as prediction after prediction as dream and vision and dream and vision never came to pass and as my thoughts became so much more about the rapture itself about going home and not on God my soul and spirit became exhausted just thinking of the rapture even just hearing that word. I finally could not bear it anymore and cut myself off from the rapture and the end times and instead sought after God himself with a greedy and hungry heart and love I didn't even want anymore dreams of the rapture and end times never wanted to think about it again however God apparently had other plans in fact the dreams and what some might call visions of the end times and rapture became more frequent and more powerful but perhaps because I no longer sought after it for the wrong reasons and had learned my lesson it didn't wear my heart and soul out and I gained understanding and actually grew in faith from them.
of course I still have not even half way recovered from the damage so called prophets and teachers did to me in fact because of the damage I no longer have any opinion on the rapture i don't have a pre trib pre wrath mid trib or post trib belief or any other kind of view or doctrine of it nor do I want it right now I would much rather have no opinion or belief about than to have one and it not only be wrong but make me take my eyes off him or living for him and for all others even a little bit i never want to even take a single step down that path again.
I am not explaining my Testimony of this simply for the thread or even just because my heart is telling me to to proclaim even though it is but rather as a warning as a testimony of the scriptures as evidence of how powerful false prophets and teachers can be how the blind can so easily lead the blind and how dangerous the end times can be when we really don't understand even if we think we do when we go into bible prophecy for the wrong reasons and without the right heart. Even studying bible prophecy can end up doing one much more harm than good and I am a perfect example of this.
I don't know who is right in their belief of the rapture end times ect. nor does it really matter to me right if God wants me to have a belief or view of the rapture or end times then I will wait until he calls my name for it, but I beg of all of you to ponder your beliefs and why you believe them. Even if you truly do believe 100 and 10 percent your view is right especially if it is about the end times take it from someone who know that the deluded cannot see or know they have been deceived until it is shown to them and the cost may be so great you may not recover from it for a long time. it is why we must never read the bible or go into it with our beliefs our own views our own doctrines set in stone, how easy it is to see what we believe in the scriptures or what we want to believe and how great the cost can be for every prat of the scriptures for every view and doctrine and belief.
But bible prophecy especially is dangerous in this way, if anything and if one has the courage and has a teachable heart one that God can dye any color can mold into any form or shape I would greatly recommend to try to prove your belief wrong going into it as if you are you brand new in faith as you once were having no solid view or belief yet but also only if you and God are 110% confident in each others that you won't be mislead that you know his voice that well especially in the scriptures or else the damage and cost could be great.
(Mat 24:4-5)
I am a personal witness and victim of this prophecy being fulfilled.
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
(Mat 24:11)
this too I have seen and at a time was a victim, however God opened my eyes by his grace. However sadly many are easily lured and deceived, youtube is the devils playground for false teachers and prophets and many ppl go there seeking all kinds of prophecies all kinds of predictions dreams and visions of the rapture and the end times with itching ears and believing what they hear mostly because they want to believe it. I know this mindset all too well as I once had it, I would actively go on youtube seeking any kind of evidence any kind of(proof) if that is what you would call it that the rapture is now that it's finally time to go home.
But my heart was damaged far more than I could have imagined and even now my heart has yet to recover from the damage false prophets and teachers did not as if they are entirely to blame I was the one who sought after them with itching ears under the illusion that I wanted to go home for the right reasons, I didn't want the rapture to happen because of my deep love for God I just wanted to go home I gave up living in this life as a warrior of God should so fixated on the rapture and the end times of going home getting away from pain sadness and really just gave up on this life.
Eventually as prediction after prediction as dream and vision and dream and vision never came to pass and as my thoughts became so much more about the rapture itself about going home and not on God my soul and spirit became exhausted just thinking of the rapture even just hearing that word. I finally could not bear it anymore and cut myself off from the rapture and the end times and instead sought after God himself with a greedy and hungry heart and love I didn't even want anymore dreams of the rapture and end times never wanted to think about it again however God apparently had other plans in fact the dreams and what some might call visions of the end times and rapture became more frequent and more powerful but perhaps because I no longer sought after it for the wrong reasons and had learned my lesson it didn't wear my heart and soul out and I gained understanding and actually grew in faith from them.
of course I still have not even half way recovered from the damage so called prophets and teachers did to me in fact because of the damage I no longer have any opinion on the rapture i don't have a pre trib pre wrath mid trib or post trib belief or any other kind of view or doctrine of it nor do I want it right now I would much rather have no opinion or belief about than to have one and it not only be wrong but make me take my eyes off him or living for him and for all others even a little bit i never want to even take a single step down that path again.
I am not explaining my Testimony of this simply for the thread or even just because my heart is telling me to to proclaim even though it is but rather as a warning as a testimony of the scriptures as evidence of how powerful false prophets and teachers can be how the blind can so easily lead the blind and how dangerous the end times can be when we really don't understand even if we think we do when we go into bible prophecy for the wrong reasons and without the right heart. Even studying bible prophecy can end up doing one much more harm than good and I am a perfect example of this.
I don't know who is right in their belief of the rapture end times ect. nor does it really matter to me right if God wants me to have a belief or view of the rapture or end times then I will wait until he calls my name for it, but I beg of all of you to ponder your beliefs and why you believe them. Even if you truly do believe 100 and 10 percent your view is right especially if it is about the end times take it from someone who know that the deluded cannot see or know they have been deceived until it is shown to them and the cost may be so great you may not recover from it for a long time. it is why we must never read the bible or go into it with our beliefs our own views our own doctrines set in stone, how easy it is to see what we believe in the scriptures or what we want to believe and how great the cost can be for every prat of the scriptures for every view and doctrine and belief.
But bible prophecy especially is dangerous in this way, if anything and if one has the courage and has a teachable heart one that God can dye any color can mold into any form or shape I would greatly recommend to try to prove your belief wrong going into it as if you are you brand new in faith as you once were having no solid view or belief yet but also only if you and God are 110% confident in each others that you won't be mislead that you know his voice that well especially in the scriptures or else the damage and cost could be great.