Ananias and Sapphira, Is God a God of Judgement Also?

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Yes I totally do believe in grace and unmerited favor. But I feel abuse of grace is being taught.That we can live a sort of Christian life and can get by with a push.The Bible doesn't teach that. Also we have been taught that God is all love and very seldom is judgement preached about now days.I believe we are under the blood but these verses we have all shared goes against the soft gospel that some preach. It was a sermon that convicted me to be more careful not to abuse Gods grace.
You are correct, the abuse of grace that you can do anything and live in SIN and not suffer judgement that is being taught is not true grace at all.

The Fear of the Lord is for believers.
 
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Would being nigh unto a cursing be considered a judgment?
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected,
and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
I know he was persuaded of better things that accompanied their own salvation but that is also in there
He says the Father takes away the branches in him that bear no fruit.
Im thinking, that which beareth thorns and briers arent bearing fruit (obviously) so where does the Father take those branches in him which bear no fruit?
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it is a judgment, a warning, (perhaps a blessing) because it is nigh = it is close or nearly accomplished || and there might yet be a chance TO NOT BE CURSED

>> rather a change from not bearing fruit TO bearing fruit
by a gracious, radical, miraculous, simple, complete and total change wrought at great price (jesus' death)


not everyone changes from death to life. not everyone changes from not bearing fruit to bearing fruit.

"whose end is to be burned" was once all of us, and by yahweh's grace overflowing in yahshua's sacrifice and blood we were PURCHASED, changed, our end changed from being burned cursed,

to everlasting life BLESSED IN YAHSHUA.... so to may be for others who are "nigh"(close) to being burned cursed,

but may yet BE PURCHASED by MESSIAH'S BLOOD, saved from death and destruction, by HIS GRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Some people seem to forget that the story of Ananias and Sapphira happened in the New Testament.I heard a sermon on this yesterday and wondered what others thought about this story in Scripture.Please add your thoughts on this but also please stay on topic.


Acts 5-
But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.
7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.
11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.
The whole point of this swift judgment by God was to preserve the purity of the early Church at Jerusalem...

Yahweh Shalom
 

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You know I don't know for sure if c.s Lewis was a Christian but his lion character Aslan is exactly like God to me, he isn't tame he can be very fierce yet also very kind
 
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God is not only love but He is justice too. He proved that with the Babylonian Captivity/
 
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I apreciate the concept of the lion and the lamb in combination

Because He is pure. I suppose theres an innocence that comes through as what is depicted in a lamb on one level
He can subject himself to alot of abuse, but He no pushover, but is a strong King, a great ruler with power over all powers that be. King of kings (which too) shall answer to him. So much more higher then that comparison. But definately one who should be feared among us. That can include having a respect for our God and His power, even such a fear in the sense of what He is able to do you in contrast to men (who you might be tempted to fear). His is higher and greater then them, so is what He can do to you (then they). Thats enough right there for me.
 

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Ananias' and Sapphira's sin was not holding back some of the money; that was their right. Their sin was lying to the disciples, and ultimately to God.


Especially in the early life of the church, treating this lightly would invite all kinds of trouble.

By dealing with it firmly God was telling believers that He expects us to guard our testimony and His credibility.
 
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i'm almost positive it is not written that ananias and saphira sinned by lying to the apostles.

their sin was lying to yahweh. (or some aspect of that, i.e. like deception. lack of trust. pride, etc.... that MIGHT be visible in the original and context..... but as for what is written - lying to yahweh...)
 
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But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? -------------------> they Tempted the Spirit of the LORD indeed! not a good thing!
 

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They lied to the Holy Spirit

But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land?
 
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Jesus told us the Father in him was the one which doeth the works, that the Son did nothing of himself

Just as in Acts

Acst 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power:
who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil;
for God
was with him.

Even here, God in Christ (recconciling the world to himself) commits to these...

2 Cr 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself,
not imputing their trespasses unto them;
and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Jesus also said, if he judged his judgment was just whereas these (in who that same Holy Spirit) is say...

2 Cr 5:20
Now then we are ambassadors for Christ,
as though God did beseech
you by us:
we pray you
in Christ's stead,
be ye reconciled to God.

God then confirming them by the same Spirit in various things.
Like a pattern of things set forth through each of them

No man caused Annaias or Sapphira to fall dead anymore then any man cause a mist of darkness to fall upon Elymas the power is shown as being of God, but the people rejoiced at God in Christ about God giving such power to men.

Folks dont particularly like these other parts, but they are there.

Today, someone might say to Peter (who didnt know the power of God) who are you?

How do you know anything? Do you make yourself God?

That sort of thing, how easy that would be with how we reason apart from the scripture and then find ourselves up against what might appear to be a contradiction.

That in your post struck me, sorry kaylagrl if I might have veered a little








No thats fine, I just dont appreciate when someone starts another thread within a thread and begin arguing and taking away from the OP. You're doing fine.:)
 
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i'm almost positive it is not written that ananias and saphira sinned by lying to the apostles.

their sin was lying to yahweh. (or some aspect of that, i.e. like deception. lack of trust. pride, etc.... that MIGHT be visible in the original and context..... but as for what is written - lying to yahweh...)
thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. Acts 5:4c
 
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kaylagrl

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The whole point of this swift judgment by God was to preserve the purity of the early Church at Jerusalem...

Yahweh Shalom
Yes exactly! Great point!
 
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kaylagrl

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You know I don't know for sure if c.s Lewis was a Christian but his lion character Aslan is exactly like God to me, he isn't tame he can be very fierce yet also very kind

Yes CS Lewis was a Christian and an apologist. He wrote several books well known for their defense of the Christian faith. He was a former atheist.
 

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I liked the way it was portrayed on an the NBC video the other night. Peter accused them of "betting against God".
 
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Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay..everything else is sin......the end result of this is the fact that GREAT fear came upon the early church and it was a lesson that needed to be learned......they conspired, lied and cheated their way to an early demise.......how many today make a vow unto the Lord or Lord's churches and then will not keep said vow.......God is the God of love, but make no mistake...he is also the God of judgment and his judgment begins with his own house and his own people!
 
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Much information is lost when the context is ignored.
Acts 4:34-37 (KJV)
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, [SUP]35 [/SUP]And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need. [SUP]36 [/SUP]And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus, [SUP]37 [/SUP]Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

We see here at least two reasons why christians were selling their valuables & donating the money to the Apostles:
1. To make sure everyone had what they needed, whether for survival, or active ministry.
2. To sell what they had for they would no longer need it because they were going into the ministry.

Barnabas is mentioned here out of the blue. Why? He sold his property because of his compassion for the church, as well as he would be going into full-time ministry. IMO Barnabas was mentioned just before Ananias & Sapphira because he was sold-out in his commitment to God. I think this couple was impersonating committed christians, keeping up with the Jones, so to speak.

Their scheme was premeditated. They deceived the church, lied, & had absolutely no remorse when called on the carpet. In other words, sinners playing church. How could even a cold christian consider such a thing?
 
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Their scheme was premeditated. They deceived the church, lied, & had absolutely no remorse when called on the carpet. In other words, sinners playing church. How could even a cold christian consider such a thing?
have you been in any classes given by the methodist, baptist, lutheran, and other churches in the last 40 years?
they even have video presentations , with a lawyer or professional speaking/teaching/ training....

the overall message ? >> they haven't found anyone who isn't lying about who they are. not in church, not in sunday school, not even when on the witness stand in court. they always lie, they say, they admit, and
the main thing in MANY CHURCHES (not all) is "DON'T GET CAUGHT"....

i.e. "nothing is as it appears" "no one is what they seem" including pastors, deacons, bishops, priests, popes, lawyers, ss teachers, businessmen, etc etc etc....

that is the gist of the classes given in many of the main stream churches the last 4 decades. (found while searching for any church that tells the truth, simply. )
 
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have you been in any classes given by the methodist, baptist, lutheran, and other churches in the last 40 years?
they even have video presentations , with a lawyer or professional speaking/teaching/ training....

the overall message ? >> they haven't found anyone who isn't lying about who they are. not in church, not in sunday school, not even when on the witness stand in court. they always lie, they say, they admit, and
the main thing in MANY CHURCHES (not all) is "DON'T GET CAUGHT"....

i.e. "nothing is as it appears" "no one is what they seem" including pastors, deacons, bishops, priests, popes, lawyers, ss teachers, businessmen, etc etc etc....

that is the gist of the classes given in many of the main stream churches the last 4 decades. (found while searching for any church that tells the truth, simply. )
Ooh, I hear ya...... I'm just saying "real christians" don't do that. :)