Animals/Pets in Heaven

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purgedconscience

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Just to elaborate a bit on my last post, here is the Christian's hope:

2 Peter chapter 3 verse 13

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Peter understood that God had promised a new heavens and a new earth to those who truly belong to Him and here is what is written in regard to the same:

Isaiah chapter 65 verses 17 thru 25

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
 
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atwhatcost

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jh611 said:
I know scripture aside that my opinion is that I would be filled with tears without my little dog at my side in heaven and the bible says there are no tears in heaven and that all our joys should come true.... if you are a pet lover then yes i beleive your pet will be there with you.
<besides there are scriptures that back this opinion>
take comfort in the Word of God.
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Your early post with scriptures confirming animals are part of God's plan was greatly appreciated. Until reading that, I just assumed, as many here are doing), that animals are out. Now I'm leaning towards they're in too.

That said, no, you won't be crying in heaven if your pet doesn't make it there. You may not even care. This I know because I won't be crying when I don't see Mom there. (Rev. 21:4) I know Mom wasn't saved when she died, so I find it hard to believe I won't cry, but I trust God at his word. He'll work that out somehow. And that joy isn't given to us like some kind of big prize for making it there. The joy comes from finally doing what we are all designed to do -- worshiping and glorifying God forever.
 
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atwhatcost

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Tintin said:
Yes, there will be animals on the New Heavens and New Earth? Will we have pets? We won't need too. We'll probably be able to run with cheetahs and hang out with chameleons and maybe climb trees with sloths.
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No sin in heaven, therefore the very concept of "what can I do now" will be gone. At that time there is only one thing to do -- love God completely with all of our new-body being. And that we'll do perfectly. So, I strongly suspect we'll be worshiping God forever, not hanging out with the new toys. lol
 
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Tintin said:
The Bible mentions that the whole of Creation was cursed by sin, that includes animals.
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Cursed by sin, not with sin. Are you suggesting God cursed the animals to sin?
 
secularhermit

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Hi, Sammie!

1) As human being, limited to earthly things, we cannot grasp -well- heavenly things so, evenly using the Bible, we have limited "access" to such understanding but, if you think that God made beautiful things, lovely things, while He left us all in earth, it´d be easy to think He has also done wonderful things in heaven, particularly, because life there is eternal and "no one likes to get bored".
Think of this!: "Mat 7:11 As bad as you are, you still know how to give good gifts to your children. But your heavenly Father is even more ready to give good things to people who ask. " Won´t you ask Him something better you had had on earth? I will, and I loved "Eli" and my dog "Word". Those were my favorites and, as long as I was on earth, I made wrong decisions affecting them but THEY loved me as I knew they loved me. They were my real friends and, if they talked, if they were given the chance to say words, they have the chance to say whatever things they felt or regret, becasue God gave animal their feelings and needs (2) and if God allowed humankind to have pets, it is that something in human soul lacked anything we didn´t have (name "them" children, a lover or a spouse or a "reason" to live for).

(3) Isaiah 65 days "something" about animals in new earth and heavens... Who am I to say that is not?

(4) Some other Scripture "said" something that we won´t have memories of certain things (although I think BAD MEMORIES could be deleted, as we erase old text messages received). Why do I have to forget the ppl or things I love in eternity? (5) Why do I need to forget those that I love and want to meet next life?

Presently I know I love a person and, if God allows me entrance in heaven, I really wanted to meet her there. I don´t know if I could be her "human" friend (or BF) there but, the woman I knew it her, at distance, brings me such a joy that, I don´t mind giving a try to find her out there, in heavens. :eek:

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I hope I don´t forget I loved her before knowing how she was, I hope I don´t forget I loved her soul, her mind, her writings, before I knew she was human, because I loved her -in such a way- I paid no attention she could be "ugly" to my human likes, I feared not she could be sick or handicaped and, if I could be a simple flower in her hands, listening to her words, being touched by her hands or her feelings, that would be enough, to feel she has loved me, in turn.


@To her

I have loved you in a way I don´t know how to.
 
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jh611 said:
Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind
Job 12:9-10

Revelation 5:8-13
"All creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.

Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 AMP
Though all creatures are subject to man's cruelty, God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom

Romans 8:19 (KJV)
The lesser creatures await Christ's return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.
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Ballgame! :cool:
 
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atwhatcost

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Atwood said:
Where do you think the Christian man's final destination is to be? Could it be the New Earth -- not just Heaven? Read Revelation 20-22. Do you think that the New Earth has no animals?
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Are you suggesting eternity with God isn't anything different than what we have now? For what purpose would we need animals? (And that's not saying there won't be animals.) Something to eat? Clothes? Pets? Still planning on working a farm? Still need bees to pollinate? New Heaven and New Earth. The whole purpose of God is to gather himself people to do what he deserves having done -- worship him. We won't need animals, and they certainly won't need us. Eternity! We're not doing what we're doing now. It's not just this life rehashed without any sins. It's God getting his well-deserved eternal glory.
 
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Bowman said:
Animals do not have eternal spirits like humans have...thus, they do not have eternal life.

We won't even remember our pets when we die.

All that matters is being with our Creator.
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Where is the "animals do not have eternal spirits" scripture?
 
secularhermit

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Oh!

This is good to think of, too:

"Isa 65:16 I am God! I can be trusted. Your past troubles are gone; I no longer think of them. When you pray for someone to receive a blessing, or when you make a promise, you must do it in my name. I alone am the God who can be trusted. "

May the Almighty bless your life (in His name) according to His perfect will.

:)
 
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valiant

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purgedconscience said:
Just to elaborate a bit on my last post, here is the Christian's hope:

2 Peter chapter 3 verse 13

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Peter understood that God had promised a new heavens and a new earth to those who truly belong to Him and here is what is written in regard to the same:

Isaiah chapter 65 verses 17 thru 25

For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.
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this cannot literally refer to the eternal new heavens and new earth, or do you think that in that eternal new earth young people will die a hundred years old?.
 
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valiant

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Originally Posted by jh611
Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind
Job 12:9-10

Revelation 5:8-13
"All creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.

Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 AMP
Though all creatures are subject to man's cruelty, God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom

Romans 8:19 (KJV)
The lesser creatures await Christ's return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.
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Utah said:
Ballgame! :cool:
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LOL you picks your translation and you get what you want LOL
 
Utah

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valiant said:
more to the point where is the Scripture that says that they have :)
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You don't get out much do you? JH611 shared several verses of Scripture stating such.

Your ego-driven skull is so bloated its astounding you're able to walk through a doorway.
 
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jaybird88

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i dont know about animals in heaven but there are some that love their animals like others love their kids and i dont think our Lord would deprive anyone of a bond that strong. i am sure it will all work out in the end.
 
Utah

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jaybird88 said:
i dont know about animals in heaven but there are some that love their animals like others love their kids and i dont think our Lord would deprive anyone of a bond that strong. i am sure it will all work out in the end.
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There's too much love in your words. We need more maniacal condemnation!!!! :p
 
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valiant

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Utah said:
You don't get out much do you? JH611 shared several verses of Scripture stating such.

Your ego-driven skull is so bloated its astounding you're able to walk through a doorway.
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such a godly response. Jesus Christ must be proud of you :)
 
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Brother_J_BELGIUM

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I'm not sure about pets but I'm sure there will be animals there as well... Because in the garden of Eden there were animals as well. When you read about the garden of Eden, that's a picture of how heaven will be (before they sinned). Somewhere in Isaiah I believe it says that "the former things we will remember no more" once we are in the Millennium/eternal Kingdom of God. So, whether your pets will be there or not, you'll probably won't be even able to remember your life here on earth. Who knows everyone in heaven will have lots of pets and I'm not talking about just cats and dogs; who knows we'll have a lion or a cheetah or a dinosaur in our houses, after all, there will be no more sin and these creatures will no more be bloodthirsty and will have the same character as sheep the way we know them here on earth. I hope this helps. No matter what, it will be great out there!
 
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jaybird88

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Utah said:
There's too much love in your words. We need more maniacal condemnation!!!! :p
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haha you mean like threatening people with tomahawks!
 
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valiant

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Originally Posted by jh611
Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the Lord hath wrought this? In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind
Job 12:9-10
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So all things are in God's control and were made by Him ? How does this guarantee them an eternal future?

Revelation 5:8-13
"All creatures recognize Jesus as the Savior of the world and praise God right along with redeemed men.
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A slight exaggeration of what is said. In Rev 5 all creation did was give Him glory. But why worry about facts when we want our animals in heaven?

Psalm 145:-9-10,13,15-21 AMP
Though all creatures are subject to man's cruelty, God loves all His creation and has made plans for all His children and the lesser creatures to enjoy His eternal Kingdom
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LOL now read it again more carefully. It says nothing of the kind. I notice you don't cite your proof text.

Romans 8:19 (KJV)
The lesser creatures await Christ's return to redeem the sons of God so they, too, will be released from physical death to eternal life.
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Once again that is NOT what it says. You are simply making it fit your views, and the simple minded believe you. Whatever it means it is no guarantee of eternal life to creatures other than man.

Look, if you want to believe that all the animals you have ever had will be in heaven do so, but don't try to say that Scripture teaches it. Tell me do they have to believe? Or are they more favoured than man in that all are saved? Or do just the pets of believers become immortal ?
 
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