Antichrist is NOT a person!

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loveme1

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Paul states that the man of sin/perdition was alive and being restrained in his day:

2 Thess 2:6 And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed.

How can someone be restrained "now" in Paul's day when Paul wrote the above if he wasn't alive then?

I don't make this stuff up like the dispensationalists.

It will be an incarnation where a vessel will be used for him to come.
 
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Yep....and you have to have a Sam's card to shop at Sam's ;)

The only problem is it will be global and I am fairly confident that Rome did not conquer the entire world and even now we see the Petro Dollar which was the world's reserve currency beginning to fail and the extreme possibility of a world wide system coming online to replace it all....

I ain't arguing with you Willy...I just don't buy the 70 A.D. Rome Caesar deal based upon the repeat of history....From Egypt to Assyria to Babylon to Persia to Greece to Rome and what Rome devolves into we can see a continuing attempt by Satan to bring out this world wide system....continually hindered by God and suppressed because it was not yet time.....In my view humanity must be conditioned to a certain point (apostasy) before they will receive a super natural Satanic inspired man who can preform all kinds of lying wonder and signs as God........
Makes a person wonder .When he comes will he find faith or what was found in the days of Noah.

Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

Its a sign we observe not seek after. 666 is the number assigned to natural man unconverted man, the mark of Cain the restless wander. We are required to buy spiritual truth not sell it for some electronic device or a bowl of soup ..
 

Jackson123

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The son of perdition was a man was who was alive and being restrained when Paul wrote this - this "son of perdition" is not alive today - he's gone dead and buried.
To my knowledge, the son of prediction is the antichrist that will sit in the temple, and claim himself as a God In Paul time no body sit in the temple and claim himself as a God
 

loveme1

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The 23/09/2017 could be the date of incarnation...
 
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Which Apostle was it that went into a public bath house, and upon seeing a certain man sitting in there, lit out for high ground hollering for others not to go in there because one who followed after the antichrist was swimming in there?
 

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Which Apostle was it that went into a public bath house, and upon seeing a certain man sitting in there, lit out for high ground hollering for others not to go in there because one who followed after the antichrist was swimming in there?

[FONT=&quot]There is a much beloved story (passed down from Polycarp to Irenaeus to us) about St. John the Apostle. According to the story, John, the Apostle of love, was inside a Roman bath house getting cleansed, as was the custom of his day. However, through the hot steam he suddenly realized that the heretic Cerinthus was sitting just across the room

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Why did St. John flee the bath house? | Timothy Tennent


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[FONT="]There is a much beloved story (passed down from Polycarp to Irenaeus to us) about St. John the Apostle. According to the story, John, the Apostle of love, was inside a Roman bath house getting cleansed, as was the custom of his day. However, through the hot steam he suddenly realized that the heretic Cerinthus was sitting just across the room

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Why did St. John flee the bath house? | Timothy Tennent


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Yeah, I finally found it again..... Thanks for your post.

There is a much beloved story (passed down from Polycarp to Irenaeus to us) about St. John the Apostle. According to the story, John, the Apostle of love, was inside a Roman bath house getting cleansed, as was the custom of his day. However, through the hot steam he suddenly realized that the heretic Cerinthus was sitting just across the room. John immediately jumped up and fled the bathhouse, explaining that Cerinthus was inside and he didn’t want to be killed when the building collapsed under the righteous judgment of God! Why such a strong reaction? Cerinthus was one of the gospel’s chief opponents. He was like a first century version of Bart Ehrman… wildly popular, followed by many, but in a few decades will be virtually forgotten. In contrast, St. John is still with us, still faithfully contending for the gospel. In fact, many scholars believe that several of John’s epistles were written in direct response to the teaching of the Gnostic Cerinthus. Cerinthus couldn’t accept the deity of Jesus Christ or the Resurrection. John was a man transformed by Easter. Jesus Christ is Risen! That was the faith of John. That was the faith of the Apostles. That was the faith of the early church. That is the faith of all Christians everywhere.

Why did John flee the bathhouse? He fled because Cerinthus had parted from what, even in John’s day, was already the great received tradition of the gospel. In other words, the gospel is not merely a matter of personal interpretation so that one person’s view is just as valid as the next person’s view. This is why Paul admonishes the Galatian Christians so strongly, saying: “If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed” (Gal 1:10). This is why Paul tells Timothy, “What you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful ones who will be able to teach others also (2 Tim. 2:2).” This is why Jude admonishes us to “contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3).
 

Ahwatukee

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Which Apostle was it that went into a public bath house, and upon seeing a certain man sitting in there, lit out for high ground hollering for others not to go in there because one who followed after the antichrist was swimming in there?
Don't know where you read that from, but it is not found in scripture.
 

Ahwatukee

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Yeah, I finally found it again..... Thanks for your post.

There is a much beloved story (passed down from Polycarp to Irenaeus to us) about St. John the Apostle. According to the story, John, the Apostle of love, was inside a Roman bath house getting cleansed, as was the custom of his day. However, through the hot steam he suddenly realized that the heretic Cerinthus was sitting just across the room. John immediately jumped up and fled the bathhouse, explaining that Cerinthus was inside and he didn’t want to be killed when the building collapsed under the righteous judgment of God! Why such a strong reaction? Cerinthus was one of the gospel’s chief opponents. He was like a first century version of Bart Ehrman… wildly popular, followed by many, but in a few decades will be virtually forgotten. In contrast, St. John is still with us, still faithfully contending for the gospel. In fact, many scholars believe that several of John’s epistles were written in direct response to the teaching of the Gnostic Cerinthus. Cerinthus couldn’t accept the deity of Jesus Christ or the Resurrection. John was a man transformed by Easter. Jesus Christ is Risen! That was the faith of John. That was the faith of the Apostles. That was the faith of the early church. That is the faith of all Christians everywhere.

Why did John flee the bathhouse? He fled because Cerinthus had parted from what, even in John’s day, was already the great received tradition of the gospel. In other words, the gospel is not merely a matter of personal interpretation so that one person’s view is just as valid as the next person’s view. This is why Paul admonishes the Galatian Christians so strongly, saying: “If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed” (Gal 1:10). This is why Paul tells Timothy, “What you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful ones who will be able to teach others also (2 Tim. 2:2).” This is why Jude admonishes us to “contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3).

Sorry Willie, but the above is not scripture! That is, it is not God-Breathed. It is the writings of men and does not belong to the word of God.

The very fact that we are currently seeing the technology for the coming mark, with people already receiving chip implants under the skin of the hand, demonstrates that that the mark and therefore, the antichrist are soon to come.

It amazes me that we have happening exactly what scripture states and people still refuse to believe and instead attempt to apply a symbolic meaning to it.
 
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Don't know where you read that from, but it is not found in scripture.
It comes from the same man that proponents of a 94AD, or so, authorship of Revelation quote. Irenaeus is the only person to claim that late date, others have repeated it, but they got it from his words.
 

Ahwatukee

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It comes from the same man that proponents of a 94AD, or so, authorship of Revelation quote. Irenaeus is the only person to claim that late date, others have repeated it, but they got it from his words.
No, it comes from the writings of men. If it was the word of God, then it would be included in the scriptures. Otherwise your just believing the writings of men.
 

loveme1

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There will be a mark offered in return for a pledge of allegiance.. man will need to forget his religion to take the mark. Though much darkness will come to pass to make the mark seem like a good thing to the deceived.. many fear death and will take anything to live.. that is why we are to be Faithful unto death knowing we have a better place with Heavenly Father and our Lord... we know our mortal will put on immortal... yet those in unbelief love their life and have no hope because they prefer darkness.

And everything comes to pass leading to the Harvest.. there is no peace by man himself in rebellion.. just darkness trying to be passed as Light.. which is no surprise since it is written:

2 Corinthians 11


12But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 13For such arefalse apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
 
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Sorry Willie, but the above is not scripture! That is, it is not God-Breathed. It is the writings of men and does not belong to the word of God.

The very fact that we are currently seeing the technology for the coming mark, with people already receiving chip implants under the skin of the hand, demonstrates that that the mark and therefore, the antichrist are soon to come.

It amazes me that we have happening exactly what scripture states and people still refuse to believe and instead attempt to apply a symbolic meaning to it.
You are aware, are you not, that there is not a word breathed anywhere in scripture about a "chip?"

And, tell me, when this whole world falls apart at your supposed "end of the world" what is going to power the electronic scanners necessary to read these chips? With what you say is going to happen, there wont be ANY electricity working anywhere in this world. We can't even maintain power with the tiny little (by comparison) storms we have here right now.
 
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It comes from the same man that proponents of a 94AD, or so, authorship of Revelation quote. Irenaeus is the only person to claim that late date, others have repeated it, but they got it from his words.
No, it comes from the writings of men. If it was the word of God, then it would be included in the scriptures. Otherwise your just believing the writings of men.
Exactly what I have been trying and trying to show you. You grab your later date of Revelation STRICTLY from the writings of a man, Irenaeus. It is not written in the Bible anywhere.
 

Locutus

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Ya gotchem there Willie....:cool:
 
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Ya gotchem there Willie....:cool:
Don't really care too much about that. What I would like see happen is for people to read the Bible for what is honestly there, NOT that they read it to try to confirm what they have already decided it has to be saying.
 
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Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
Dan 8:24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
Dan 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

When the transgressors are come to the full,then the beast of Revelation will deceive all who do not love God.

Dan 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Dan 11:38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.

The beast shall exalt himself above all that is called God,or worshipped,and not regard any god,but honor the God of forces,or the power of nature as his God,and will exalt himself above all people.

The transgressors have not come to the full yet,for the only way that can happen is if they are at their most rebellious,so the last king,the antichrist,beast,has not appeared yet.

The man of sin will be of the new age movement that will occur at the latter times,which in the first century was not the latter times,but today it is,the last days of the last days.

The new age movement has an interpretation of the Bible based on spiritual evolution through nature,and exalts people,and Jesus is not Lord and Savior,but a good teacher in spiritual enlightenment,and ascended master,and avatar,and they are waiting for the New Age Christ to bring power to people through nature.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world,as they say all religions are valid for spiritual enlightenment,with an interpretation of the Bible,Quran,and Judaism,to fit that format,and there will be a unified religious system,and a hate crime to try to convert someone to your religion punishable in the international criminal court system.

This will spark a war with Islam and the world,for they will say it is an insult to Allah.

The ten horn kingdom,and unified religious system in the future,will operate for three and one half years,and at the end of the time is when the transgressors have come to the full.

Because during that time will be the time they will not endure the truth of the Bible,but want to hear it according to the new age movement interpretation,and Christianity will rapidly decline in impacting the world with the truth,and will be arrested if they try to reach out to someone with teachings that are not of the new age movement if someone rats on them.

When the transgressors come to the full is the same as the falling away first,for this has to do with the condition of the world,and then the last king,beast,antichrist,man of sin,will deceive the world.

The transgressors are not come to the full yet,because for them they would have to be at their most rebellious before they are deceived by the beast,which means not accepting the truth of the Bible,and not giving heed to Christianity,for they no more have the right according to the world,and go by an interpretation of the Bible,and religion in general,that exalts people,spiritual evolution through nature.

That is why the beast deceives them because they have accepted spiritual evolution through nature,and no personal God,and that is what the antichrist,beast,accepts.

The transgressors could of not come to the full in the first century,the latter times could of not been in the first century.



The antichrist is to come in the future,but that spirit was already working back in the first century.
 
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A human manifestation of the spirit of antichrist (meaning: being against Christ's church) has appeared in every generation since Christ left here..... and sometimes, probably hundreds of them all around the globe at the same time.