Apostle Paul On Tongues In 1 Corinthians
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I can offer the little I do know I am no kind of a grammar scholar for sure But I do know the scriptures as God’s interpretation to us is its own dictionary as to defining the words within. Looking at the context can help.
In my suggestion I spelled prophecy correctly which means a discourse emanating from divine inspiration... the noun . To declare prophecy is to prophesy, I think in that way to prophesy, the action is a verb.
When I offered it the first time I said; As a verb ....to prophecy is to declare the word of God. I should of said : As a verb ....to prophesy is to declare the word of God the word, is prophecy which is be declared .
I think one speaks forth and the other generated from..... the voice of God.
Strong’s lexicon 4395 propheteuo {prof-ate-yoo'-o}from 4396; TDNT - 6:781,952; v AV - prophesy 28; 28 1) to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict 1a) to prophesy 1b) with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God 1c) to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation 1d) to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels 1d1) under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others 1e) to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office
Strong’s lexicon 4394 propheteia {prof-ay-ti'-ah} from 4396 ("prophecy"); TDNT - 6:781,952; n f AV - prophecy 16, prophesying 3; 19 prophecy 1a) a discourse emanating “from” divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by foretelling future events 1b) Used in the NT of the utterance of OT prophets 1b1) of the prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions pertaining to it, the spirit of prophecy, the divine mind, to which the prophetic faculty is due 1b2) of the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers called prophets 1b3) the gifts and utterances of these prophets, esp. of the predictions of the works of which,
In my suggestion I spelled prophecy correctly which means a discourse emanating from divine inspiration... the noun . To declare prophecy is to prophesy, I think in that way to prophesy, the action is a verb.
When I offered it the first time I said; As a verb ....to prophecy is to declare the word of God. I should of said : As a verb ....to prophesy is to declare the word of God the word, is prophecy which is be declared .
I think one speaks forth and the other generated from..... the voice of God.
Strong’s lexicon 4395 propheteuo {prof-ate-yoo'-o}from 4396; TDNT - 6:781,952; v AV - prophesy 28; 28 1) to prophesy, to be a prophet, speak forth by divine inspirations, to predict 1a) to prophesy 1b) with the idea of foretelling future events pertaining esp. to the kingdom of God 1c) to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation 1d) to break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels 1d1) under like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others 1e) to act as a prophet, discharge the prophetic office
Strong’s lexicon 4394 propheteia {prof-ay-ti'-ah} from 4396 ("prophecy"); TDNT - 6:781,952; n f AV - prophecy 16, prophesying 3; 19 prophecy 1a) a discourse emanating “from” divine inspiration and declaring the purposes of God, whether by reproving and admonishing the wicked, or comforting the afflicted, or revealing things hidden; esp. by foretelling future events 1b) Used in the NT of the utterance of OT prophets 1b1) of the prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph, together with the consolations and admonitions pertaining to it, the spirit of prophecy, the divine mind, to which the prophetic faculty is due 1b2) of the endowment and speech of the Christian teachers called prophets 1b3) the gifts and utterances of these prophets, esp. of the predictions of the works of which,
A sign as a gift experienced outwardly apposes walking by faith, the unseen. Signs are for those who believe not. Prophecy is for those who do believe God to the salvation of their soul.
The phrase “sign gift” is not found in the scriptures. Not sure where it comes from originally?
Christ said it is an evil generation (the generation of Adam natural man )that seeks after one. The sign and wonder involving Christ by the example of Noah is the last one.
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
I would also think by which you replied: “concerns the phrase “which is perfect is come”. That phrase is in respect to the coming to or brought to its end,. It is today finished. It informs us when it comes. The close of all prophecy was just over the horizon , Now we longer know in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
The perfect was in respect to both testaments. The reformation marked the end of the Old testament order that was now reformed and restored to a previous order in regard to the time of Judges. This is when there was no outward representation like a King and men walked by faith (the unseen)
The rapture or the future coming information is part of the whole.
Yes prophecy and therefore tongues have ceased.
Because the possibility of any new revelations is sealed up till the end of time we know the perfect has come. There are no laws missing which by we could know him more adequately. Therefore any new prophecy fails the test today .and because we have the whole will we can test other prophecies prior to the completion of the word of God that could be false.
If someone claims a tongue as prophecy from God we know they have failed to not add or subtract from the whole. The last warning given before the possibility of another word inspired from heaven could be added has come.
Before that point as shown below prophecy could fail, as false prophecy.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
The phrase “sign gift” is not found in the scriptures. Not sure where it comes from originally?
Christ said it is an evil generation (the generation of Adam natural man )that seeks after one. The sign and wonder involving Christ by the example of Noah is the last one.
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
I would also think by which you replied: “concerns the phrase “which is perfect is come”. That phrase is in respect to the coming to or brought to its end,. It is today finished. It informs us when it comes. The close of all prophecy was just over the horizon , Now we longer know in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
The perfect was in respect to both testaments. The reformation marked the end of the Old testament order that was now reformed and restored to a previous order in regard to the time of Judges. This is when there was no outward representation like a King and men walked by faith (the unseen)
The rapture or the future coming information is part of the whole.
Yes prophecy and therefore tongues have ceased.
Because the possibility of any new revelations is sealed up till the end of time we know the perfect has come. There are no laws missing which by we could know him more adequately. Therefore any new prophecy fails the test today .and because we have the whole will we can test other prophecies prior to the completion of the word of God that could be false.
If someone claims a tongue as prophecy from God we know they have failed to not add or subtract from the whole. The last warning given before the possibility of another word inspired from heaven could be added has come.
Before that point as shown below prophecy could fail, as false prophecy.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
Because the sign was designed for those with no faith ,as a froward generation, the generation of Adam it increased the suffering of a Jew that had not become born again but was trusting in his outward flesh as if God who has no beginning of days or end of life was a Jew ..
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Wherefore "hear the word of the LORD", ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.Isa 28:11
Prophecy, hearing the Lord is for those who do believe, called the generation of Christ. The sign would not effect them as to suffering . The prophecy is two fold, two purposes . One as a sign to confirm unbelief no faith , the other(prophecy) to produce faith the unseen.
What does Corinthians say about the purpose of the gift of tongues? Does it say they are proof of the validity of scripture? No, it says they are for the edification of the believer and the assembly. If you and your assembly no longer need edification, well, more power to ya! But the rest of us still living in the fallen flesh and this fallen world, edification is still needed and desired. That never ended when John put down his pen.
2 Timothy 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It's in all in the Book...
God bless
2 Timothy 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It's in all in the Book...
God bless
Mark 16: 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark 16: 20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
2 Corinthians 12;12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
A temporal sign + gifts which includes “unknown” tongue…
Mark 16: 20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Acts 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Acts 5:12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch.
Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.
Romans 15:19 Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
2 Corinthians 12;12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.
Hebrews 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?
A temporal sign + gifts which includes “unknown” tongue…
Hi garee,
I think that Strong's is saying that both words refer to the same thing and refer to both foretelling and forth-telling. "Declaring the purposes of God", for example, is no different from "to declare a thing that can only be known by divine revelation". And the foretelling of future events is common to both. It's the same idea in the form of a verb on the one hand and of the noun on the other.
We can agree to disagree though. Our salvation isn't dependent on getting this right. What you quote does make it quite clear though, I think.
God bless,
kohelet
Signs and wonders will not follow be manifested amongst us because we do not fulfill what Mark says.
Mark 16: 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe.....
No believing = no signs and wonders of the kingdom of God being manifested to a hurt and dying world. Jesus said "Greater works shall you do".
Mark 16: 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe.....
No believing = no signs and wonders of the kingdom of God being manifested to a hurt and dying world. Jesus said "Greater works shall you do".
At the time Paul was writing this the cannon of scripture was not complete.
Explain to me how you and the assembly are edified if the speaker is speaking a language you not understand. Even the most angelic sermon heard if not understood is of little value to the hearer. If a trumpet sound a strange sound who will know it as a call to battle?
There is no edification without understanding. Pentecostals and charismatics put their hyper-spiritualism on the outside but lack the character of God in their life.
Just like the Jews esteemed themselves above the Gentiles in spiritual matters the Pentecostals and charismatics want the appearance of spirituality but are wanting of God. Seek after the gifts that bring souls to Christ. Have love for the lost that they might be drawn to Christ through your testimony of self sacrifice in service to Christ. Preach the gospel to them with love. Agonize for them in prayer to God for their souls.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Explain to me how you and the assembly are edified if the speaker is speaking a language you not understand. Even the most angelic sermon heard if not understood is of little value to the hearer. If a trumpet sound a strange sound who will know it as a call to battle?
There is no edification without understanding. Pentecostals and charismatics put their hyper-spiritualism on the outside but lack the character of God in their life.
Just like the Jews esteemed themselves above the Gentiles in spiritual matters the Pentecostals and charismatics want the appearance of spirituality but are wanting of God. Seek after the gifts that bring souls to Christ. Have love for the lost that they might be drawn to Christ through your testimony of self sacrifice in service to Christ. Preach the gospel to them with love. Agonize for them in prayer to God for their souls.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
So how goes the taking up of serpents and drinking deadly poisons? Better be able to lay hands upon them and heal them or make a shame of Christ.
Nevertheless I am not a scholar in the Greek and Hebrew so if they say the long ending of Mark 16 is likely an addition and the original ending is lost well I defer to their research and knowledge. It is considered that anything after verse 9 in Mark 16 was added by a scribe as the text is not found in the earliest manuscripts.
You being a hyper-spiritualist probably know better than me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Nevertheless I am not a scholar in the Greek and Hebrew so if they say the long ending of Mark 16 is likely an addition and the original ending is lost well I defer to their research and knowledge. It is considered that anything after verse 9 in Mark 16 was added by a scribe as the text is not found in the earliest manuscripts.
You being a hyper-spiritualist probably know better than me.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
We can see Paul in Acts "taking up a serpent" and he just brushed it into the fire. There have been many testimonies of people having drunk something by accident that did them no harm.
Those people that are handling snakes and drinking poison on purpose are being presumptuous and they die!
The words of Jesus in Mark 16 only come true to "those that believe".
The Greek scholars - the "ones" that say the long ending in Mark is "likely" added on is by those that don't believe in the gifts of the Spirit are for today - especially tongues - it's funny how that always goes and seems to be the case...eh?
Unfortunately I'm thinking Roger that if the Lord Himself walked in your room one night and told you that the gifts of the Spirit are still for today and they are meant to bless you and to help others - you would still tell Him they aren't and that you don't believe it.
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