Apostles and Prophets

[AnandaHya]

Acts 2:46-47
New King James Version (NKJV)
46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church[a] daily those who were being saved.

 

[Red33]

The bride is not perfect yet.

She will be, before she is presented to Jesus as His bride. You can count on it.

She is perfect and complete positionally and there is no flaw, spot, wrinkle or any such thing in her. The problem you have is that you see her experience, her growing pains, her weaknesses and faults and you hold them against her. You do not see her by faith in the finished work of Christ. If God was going to judge his house by removing those that claim to be His prophets which He never raised up and who claim to speak His words that He never gave, would that fall under the justice of God? If He was going to put them to sleep and allow the church to freely receive the word of His grace without being hindered by these self proclaimed prophets, wouldn't that be judging His church through mercy and promoting His body through grace? God is making her become what he has already made her to be. We need to understand the difference between positional truth and experiential truth.

 

[zone]

Acts 2:46-47
New King James Version (NKJV)
46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church[a] daily those who were being saved.

and there we have it.
simple, clean and right.
and ALL BY GRACE.
thx ana.

 

[Abiding]

If asking that we give our hearts to God, in truth and in the Spirit, is considered to be high handed, and conceited, then I guess that I am guilty.

[If there was no truth to what I say, then there would not be such a hue and cry, so that I have been made to be a agent of Satan.]*

All I can say is that I love each of you, otherwise I would have stopped long ago. I take no joy in this, in spreading this message, for each time I am misunderstood or not understood at all, I am saddened in my heart beyond grief.

But the standard today of christain is a dead belief, a dead faith, a faith that is devoid of the Spirit, which places the things of God over God Himself.

There is no more time. Now is the delusion here.

If a man was talking loud in a classical performance, he would be thrown out, that doest necessarily
mean he was an agent of satan anymore than it proves he was ligit in his activity.*

We know the delusion is here or near VW and the Lord has prepared us with His Spirit and word, otherwise
we may have accepted your Prophet nonesense(doubtful tho).

But i do ty for participating in this thread. Your exposure has been tremendously helpful, and educational.
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If you really had this super spirit bible upgrade youd have known the position you trying to
usurp already indwells us. So as you wimper we are void of spirit, know that to us its nothing more than a wimper.

 

[AnandaHya]

If a man was talking loud in a classical performance, he would be thrown out, that doest necessarily
mean he was an agent of satan anymore than it proves he was ligit in his activity.*

We know the delusion is here or near VW and the Lord has prepared us with His Spirit and word, otherwise
we may have accepted your nonesense(doubtful tho).

But i do ty for participating in this thread. Your exposure has been tremendously helpful, and educational.
,
If you really had this super spirit bible upgrade youd have known the position you trying to
usurp already indwells us. So as you wimper we are void of spirit, know that to us its nothing more than a wimper.

i don't know Abiding the comment about having different spirits is somewhat concerning..... i've been debating do I believe him and his words and agree that we have two different spirits which means one of us is NOT possessing the Holy Spirit or do I think him a liar and go with that we might both still be children of God?

 

[Abiding]

i don't know Abiding the comment about having different spirits is somewhat concerning..... i've been debating do I believe him and his words and agree that we have two different spirits which means one of us is NOT possessing the Holy Spirit or do I think him a liar and go with that we might both still be children of God?

That went right over my head....Different spirits???<----what?...and we might both still be children of God? <-----who?

 

[VW]

She is perfect and complete positionally and there is no flaw, spot, wrinkle or any such thing in her. The problem you have is that you see her experience, her growing pains, her weaknesses and faults and you hold them against her. You do not see her by faith in the finished work of Christ. If God was going to judge his house by removing those that claim to be His prophets which He never raised up and who claim to speak His words that He never gave, would that fall under the justice of God? If He was going to put them to sleep and allow the church to freely receive the word of His grace without being hindered by these self proclaimed prophets, wouldn't that be judging His church through mercy and promoting His body through grace? God is making her become what he has already made her to be. We need to understand the difference between positional truth and experiential truth.

I do not hold anything against anyone except for mockers, and what I hold for them is pity.

You talk of a positional perfection. Guess what, that is not even biblical. There is not positional or experiential. There is only truth. The bride will not be perfect until she is complete, which will be when the last soul is added to her by the Holy Spirit.

You and others imagine that I have separated myself from the judgments that I give in the name of Jesus. I have not.

Be holy, even as our Father in heaven is holy, is a command from the apostle Paul, and he was quoting Christ. But if a believer is taught that he is holy already, that be is perfect already, that he is just as God wants him to be without anything but accepting Jesus as Lord, for many just saying a prayer and joining a church body, then how will he know to grow in Christ. Over half of the letters of the apostles tell us to strive for the faith, for holiness, (without which no one will see God,) to in fear and trembling make our salvation sure, to struggle against sin, to pit to death the deeds of the flesh, to walk in and after the Holy Spirit, to fight against sin, even to the letting of blood.

I guess the apostles were wrong also, since the bride is perfect.

Paul prophecied that in the last days that many would not endure sound doctrine. Sound doctrine is the entire message of Jesus Christ, which includes the part about being holy, about sacrificing everything for Him and His kingdom. Yes, in the first church they ate together and worshipped God, and the Holy Spirit added to their numbers daily. It is also true that when they came into the body that they sold all of their possessions and gave to the apostles for the support of all collectively. And it is also true that every single one of them had had the apostles lay hands on them to receive the filling, the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

But believe as you wish.

 

[AnandaHya]

You suppose that I feel separated from the body of Christ, but I do not. I feel the heart of the Spirit crying out to her that she cloth herself in Christ.

But she does not hear. And so I am in the same boat that she is, and the winds of the storm are rising and blowing and the waves are growing bigger.

You are right, that what you get from what I say is this lie, shows that we are not of the same spirit.

I am very glad for that.

i know a story about a boat and a storm.... it even has Jesus on it....

Matthew 8:23-27
New King James Version (NKJV)

23 Now when He got into a boat, His disciples followed Him. 24 And suddenly a great tempest arose on the sea, so that the boat was covered with the waves. But He was asleep. 25 Then His disciples came to Him and awoke Him, saying, “Lord, save us! We are perishing!”
26 But He said to them, “Why are you fearful, O you of little faith?” Then He arose and rebuked the winds and the sea, and there was a great calm. 27 So the men marveled, saying, “Who can this be, that even the winds and the sea obey Him?”

oh ye of little faith.

it reminds me of a sermon by spurgeon about the problem of little faith.....

A Lecture for Little-Faith

We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because that your faith groweth exceedingly, and the charity of everyone of you all toward each other aboundeth"—2 Thessalonians 1:3.

"
The first inconvenience of little faith is that while it is always sure of heaven it very seldom thinks so. Little-faith is quite as sure of heaven as Great-faith. When Jesus Christ counts up his jewels at the last day he will take to himself the little pearls as well as the great ones. If a diamond be never so small yet it is precious because it is a diamond. So will faith, be it never so little, if it be true faith, Christ will never lose even the smallest jewel of his crown. Little-faith is always sure of heaven, because the name of Little-faith is in the book of eternal life. Little-faith was chosen of God before the foundation of the world. Little-faith was bought with the blood of Christ; ay, and he cost as much as Great-faith. "For every man a shekel" was of redemption. Every man, whether great or small, prince or peasant, had to redeem himself with a shekel. Christ has bought all, both little and great, with the same most precious blood. Little-faith is always sure of heaven, for God has begun the good work in him and he will carry it on. God loves him and he will love him unto the end. God has provided a crown for him, and he will not allow the crown to hang there without a head; he has erected for him a mansion in heaven, and he will not allow the mansion to stand untenanted for ever. Little-faith is always safe, but he very seldom knows it. If you meet him he is sometimes afraid of hell; very often afraid that the wrath of God abideth on him. He will tell you that the country on the other side the flood can never belong to a worm so base as he. Sometimes it is because he feels himself so unworthy, another time it is because the things of God are too good to be true, he says, or he cannot think they can be true to such an one as he is. Sometimes he is afraid he is not elect; another time he fears that he has not been called aright. that he has not come to Christ aright. Another time his fears are that he will not hold on to the end, that he shall not be able to persevere, and if you kill a thousand of his fears he is sure to have another host by to-morrow; for unbelief is one of those things that you cannot destroy. "It hath," saith Bunyan, "as many lives as a cat;" you may kill it over and over again, but still it lives. It is one of those ill weeds that sleep in the soil even after it has been burned, and it only needs a little encouragement to grow again. Now Great-faith is sure of heaven, and he knows it. He climbs Pisgah's top, and views the landscape o'er; he drinks in the mysteries of paradise even before he enters within the pearly gates. He sees the streets that are paved with gold; he beholds the walls of the city, the foundations whereof are of precious stones; he hears the mystic music of the glorified, and begins to smell on earth the perfumes of heaven. But poor Little-faith can scarcely look at the sun; he very seldom sees the light. he gropes in the valley, and while all is safe he always thinks himself unsafe. That is one of the disadvantages of Little-faith.

 

[AnandaHya]

if a believer is taught that he is holy already, that be is perfect already, that he is just as God wants him to be without anything but accepting Jesus as Lord, for many just saying a prayer and joining a church body, then how will he know to grow in Christ. Over half of the letters of the apostles tell us to strive for the faith, for holiness, (without which no one will see God,) to in fear and trembling make our salvation sure, to struggle against sin, to pit to death the deeds of the flesh, to walk in and after the Holy Spirit, to fight against sin, even to the letting of blood.

But believe as you wish.

that is what is referred to as "easy believism" and most speak against that on the forums. it is also referred to as nominal christianity.

 

[VW]

If a man was talking loud in a classical performance, he would be thrown out, that doest necessarily
mean he was an agent of satan anymore than it proves he was ligit in his activity.*

We know the delusion is here or near VW and the Lord has prepared us with His Spirit and word, otherwise
we may have accepted your Prophet nonesense(doubtful tho).

But i do ty for participating in this thread. Your exposure has been tremendously helpful, and educational.
,
If you really had this super spirit bible upgrade youd have known the position you trying to
usurp already indwells us. So as you wimper we are void of spirit, know that to us its nothing more than a wimper.

You guys must be having a guilty conscience. Where do I say that any of you are devoid of the Spirit? Where?

I said that the standard of Christianity today is devoid of the Spirit. And you wonder how I can say such a thing? Which church has homosexuals as ministers? Which ministries have charlatans who tickle the ears of their congregations? Which churches have deacons who do not even care to know what scripture says? And on and on and on.

If it does not apply to you, then it is not for you. But if the Spirit convicts you of something, then I would listen if I was you.

 

[VW]

that is what is referred to as "easy believism" and most speak against that on the forums. it is also referred to as nominal christianity.

Yeah well, neither is correct as it is not Christianity at all.

 

[VW]

I used to read a lot of Spurgen, and Murray and all the other so called great teachers. Now I read scripture, and the great teacher is the Holy Spirit.

 

[Abiding]

I dont have the paygrade to judge vw's heart or salvation. I do have the command to judge his
prophecys and conduct. And i refuse to get wrapped up in his salvation or heart issues, if that
causes me to not simply judge justly.

 

[Abiding]

when did you say we were void of spirit? dah like all the time dude...your a riot.

 

[Rosewater]

i.... i've been debating do I believe him and his words and agree that we have two different spirits which means one of us is NOT possessing the Holy Spirit or do I think him a liar and go with that we might both still be children of God?

I see, one believing the Spirit is in them because the Bible says and one believing because God tells him.

 

[VW]

when did you say we were void of spirit? dah like all the time dude...your a riot.

I never said that you personally were or are devoid of the Spirit. I believe that you have receive Him into your heart, which makes you a child of God.

 

[Abiding]

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[damombomb]

Void of spirit is not loving and trying to understand our neighbor,let us love one another while it is yet day.We are all not the same,
Each one different,different personalities,qualities,all work for glory of God.

 

[VW]

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I never did tell you that your signature is the most important scripture to me of all the bible, and goes right along with my second favorite, only I have a hard time calling it second, where John writes that the anointing which we have received from Him, which is true and is not a lie, teaches us to abide in Him. And now little children, abide in Him so that we may have confidence at His appearing and not shrink away from Him in shame.

I do not want to be ashamed when I do finally see Him at His appearing. I do not want to shrink away from Him.

 

[Abiding]

I never did tell you that your signature is the most important scripture to me of all the bible, and goes right along with my second favorite, only I have a hard time calling it second, where John writes that the anointing which we have received from Him, which is true and is not a lie, teaches us to abide in Him. And now little children, abide in Him so that we may have confidence at His appearing and not shrink away from Him in shame.

I do not want to be ashamed when I do finally see Him at His appearing. I do not want to shrink away from Him.

There one thing ive learned in that text. Is that fruit bearing is not a duty, not an effort of our own.
It does not come from us. Or any work we do other than abiding on the vine. We are nothing more than dead
wood. And the branch needs lots of pruning, to keep the sap from being used up on dead wood and use
it for fruit bearing. We should see the Father doing this in our lives, and it dont always feel good.

Comment on 1 john. the very fact that anointing teaches and trains each person so that they need no man
to teach them, is another reason there is no use for prophets today. Unless there was new revelation which
there wont be. Possibly in the great tribulation, but weve been told to expect that. And He convicts our heart and if our heart is hard to hear the indwelling Spirit of God, sure aint gona hear a Prophet.

VW there is a type of prophecy the bible talks about, that has nothing to do with with being a Prophet as we
think of the office of a Prophet. And thats something all believers can be enabled to do as the Holyspirit wills.
Speaking words from the bible for edification, exhortation, and comfort and expressing the word in a supernatural way both relevant in its implications and applications and intent at a given time. As i think youve
been sidetracked in this Prophet thingy, im sure if you belong to the Lord you can recover and walk a different way. This other way I dont mind calling prophecy never usually gets people upset, because they
are blessed by it.