Apostles and Prophets

[VW]

If asking that we give our hearts to God, in truth and in the Spirit, is considered to be high handed, and conceited, then I guess that I am guilty.

If there was no truth to what I say, then there would not be such a hue and cry, so that I have been made to be a agent of Satan.

All I can say is that I love each of you, otherwise I would have stopped long ago. I take no joy in this, in spreading this message, for each time I am misunderstood or not understood at all, I am saddened in my heart beyond grief.

But the standard today of christain is a dead belief, a dead faith, a faith that is devoid of the Spirit, which places the things of God over God Himself.

There is no more time. Now is the delusion here.

 

[Red33]

If asking that we give our hearts to God, in truth and in the Spirit, is considered to be high handed, and conceited, then I guess that I am guilty.

If there was no truth to what I say, then there would not be such a hue and cry, so that I have been made to be a agent of Satan.

All I can say is that I love each of you, otherwise I would have stopped long ago. I take no joy in this, in spreading this message, for each time I am misunderstood or not understood at all, I am saddened in my heart beyond grief.

But the standard today of christain is a dead belief, a dead faith, a faith that is devoid of the Spirit, which places the things of God over God Himself.

There is no more time. Now is the delusion here.

If you claim to have a living faith that is not devoid of the Spirit then show us the fruit of that faith? If you abide in Christ and His words abide in you then you will produce much fruit (Jn 15:1-8, 12:24). Where is the fruit of your faith? Have you hid it under a bushel or buried it under a rock or stored it up for another season? If we, as heathen and pagan Christians who do no hear the voice of God and do not know how to be in God's presence, are going to know that you are a true disciple of Christ, where is your love and the fruit of your doings (Jer 32:19)? Where are the souls being converted to Christ through the glorious gospel you preach (PS 51:13)? Where is the fruit of cleansing and forgiveness of sins happening in the lives of those that Christ died for? Where is this fruit being gathered together? BY THEIR FRUIT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM (Mt 7:16,20). Surely one that has a living faith has also a lively hope that is bearing fruit unto God (Col 1:5,6, Rom 7:4, 6:22).

 

[zone]

If asking that we give our hearts to God, in truth and in the Spirit, is considered to be high handed, and conceited, then I guess that I am guilty.

If there was no truth to what I say, then there would not be such a hue and cry, so that I have been made to be a agent of Satan.

All I can say is that I love each of you, otherwise I would have stopped long ago. I take no joy in this, in spreading this message, for each time I am misunderstood or not understood at all, I am saddened in my heart beyond grief.

But the standard today of christain is a dead belief, a dead faith, a faith that is devoid of the Spirit, which places the things of God over God Himself.

There is no more time. Now is the delusion here.

you're still not a prophet.
Jesus is not speaking through you.
He didn't yesterday, He isn't today.
so all this drama is purely out of your own deceitful heart, a result of forbidden mystic practises and a dreadful lack of understanding of the foundational offices and gifts.

it's ironic that you mention delusion...it kind of reminds me of balaam's ass.

more study of the posts of many of these modern prophets reveals what's really at the core of their teachings: PURE LAW.

but it's the Galatian heresy cleverly tied up with charismatic spiritual lingo, and garnished (brandished may be a better term, since the continual threatening is there) with the forged signature of the Holy Spirit.

pretty scary. but what can anyone do, since they can no longer hear?
learn from it i guess.

 

[VW]

you're still not a prophet.
Jesus is not speaking through you.
He didn't yesterday, He isn't today.
so all this drama is purely out of your own deceitful heart, a result of forbidden mystic practises and a dreadful lack of understanding of the foundational offices and gifts.

it's ironic that you mention delusion...it kind of reminds me of balaam's ass.

more study of the posts of many of these modern prophets reveals what's really at the core of their teachings: PURE LAW.

but it's the Galatian heresy cleverly tied up with charismatic spiritual lingo, and garnished (brandished may be a better term, since the continual threatening is there) with the forged signature of the Holy Spirit.

pretty scary. but what can anyone do, since they can no longer hear?
learn from it i guess.

The letter kills, it is the Spirit which gives life.

 

[VW]

If you claim to have a living faith that is not devoid of the Spirit then show us the fruit of that faith? If you abide in Christ and His words abide in you then you will produce much fruit (Jn 15:1-8, 12:24). Where is the fruit of your faith? Have you hid it under a bushel or buried it under a rock or stored it up for another season? If we, as heathen and pagan Christians who do no hear the voice of God and do not know how to be in God's presence, are going to know that you are a true disciple of Christ, where is your love and the fruit of your doings (Jer 32:19)? Where are the souls being converted to Christ through the glorious gospel you preach (PS 51:13)? Where is the fruit of cleansing and forgiveness of sins happening in the lives of those that Christ died for? Where is this fruit being gathered together? BY THEIR FRUIT YOU SHALL KNOW THEM (Mt 7:16,20). Surely one that has a living faith has also a lively hope that is bearing fruit unto God (Col 1:5,6, Rom 7:4, 6:22).

I cannot see your fruit anymore than you can see mine, sitting behind a computer screen.

But I can see your spirit, and what it is after, as you can see mine.

One thing I know about the gospel of Jesus Christ, a true statement that is worthy of acceptance by all:
it is offensive to all of those who hear it, that is, those who do not have the Spirit and His life.

 

[zone]

The letter kills, it is the Spirit which gives life.

ya.
we know.
but you don't understand anything anymore (if you ever did), since you allowed someone to lay hands on you and tell you that you are a prophet.
you've picked up some other spirit(s) who is masquerading as Jesus.

and you're a flat-out heretic.

 

[zone]

I cannot see your fruit anymore than you can see mine, sitting behind a computer screen.

But I can see your spirit, and what it is after, as you can see mine.

One thing I know about the gospel of Jesus Christ, a true statement that is worthy of acceptance by all:
it is offensive to all of those who hear it, that is, those who do not have the Spirit and His life.

ya. it's offensive to the lost. not the saved. for us its the power of God and is everything Wonderful.
so your continual parading as a prophet of God (sent to beat the sheep) when you're not is what's offensive.

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

how long will you continue to test God vw?

 

[AnandaHya]

If we incubate that which offends us it births vipers to bite back, our tongue is our worst enemy., by it we bless and curse and it should not be so. Letting go of what one has angered one with is the best thing to do. "forgive them Father they know not what they do" is the best way to deal with anyone. No good throwing petrol on a fire, never
goes out just boom enrages it more. Some would call it spirited debating but it's in what fruit of which spirit it's done by.

lol yeah yeah BOOM!

some moments you just want to watch it all burn. You want to yell JESUS COME! and watch the wretched unsaved souls be tossed into the eternal flame, but then you know it is your selfish flesh screaming such lies. it is your despairing heart that tries to place your will over GOD's for God will come when HE wills and He will have mercy and grace until that day of Judgement.

I am no longer angered but sadden at the conversation now.

sadden because he chooses to stay enslaved in his lies and illusions and self righteous justification that builds dividing walls between himself and the Brethren. that makes him feel that he is an outcast and persecuted and he believes the lies that this is God's will. He loves the strongholds of lies and clings to them for they allow him to tell himself he is superior and right to judge others and tell them they are devoid of truth, devoid of God's spirit, in need of God's love and light.

have you ever meditated upon the meaning of these words Consumed?

1 Timothy 1:18-20
New King James Version (NKJV)

18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

they echo in my mind as I go about my chores (I hate cleaning but I love the fruits of such labors, it is satisfying to have a clean house even though it is aggravating to wrestle with the filth. I think we too need to clean our minds of the filth and lies that the world and Satan tries and plant in our minds and hearts through the discernment and help of the Holy Spirit)

anyways have a blessed day. I'll talk to you guys later at my next break. lol back to laundry and preparing the kids for going back to school

 

[Abiding]

How in the world can you expect a man to dialogue in fair rational
comprehensible way when all hes after is attention?

 

[AnandaHya]

don't know but ever have the feeling that things come in waves?

so anyone know how to fix a bent car rim and a broken Fridge?

<sigh> Lord have mercy and thank you for my husband hopefully he'll know what to do when he gets home from work.....

 

[VW]

You suppose that I feel separated from the body of Christ, but I do not. I feel the heart of the Spirit crying out to her that she cloth herself in Christ.

But she does not hear. And so I am in the same boat that she is, and the winds of the storm are rising and blowing and the waves are growing bigger.

You are right, that what you get from what I say is this lie, shows that we are not of the same spirit.

I am very glad for that.

 

[damombomb]

WE should all have the mind of Christ.We should all pray for Gods wisdom (look at Solemon) he prayed for wisdom to rule the people,for there were
many. God granted him wisdom more than any other,as well as wealth because he did not ask for it..We are all different people,tounges ect.
different parts of the world. The Lord meets at our level.He only knows how to bring us to him. Yet we are many members, but we all have
different ways God uses us. We are not drones,we are original, why condemn someone for the way they worship? How do Indians worship,
and other cultures? Paul came down to levels to minister, judging our brother is not the mind of christ.But ministering is.mabe even add to it.

 

[Red33]

You suppose that I feel separated from the body of Christ, but I do not. I feel the heart of the Spirit crying out to her that she cloth herself in Christ.

But she does not hear. And so I am in the same boat that she is, and the winds of the storm are rising and blowing and the waves are growing bigger.

You are right, that what you get from what I say is this lie, shows that we are not of the same spirit.

I am very glad for that.

She is calling out according to (Rev 22:17), 'The Spirit and the bride say come'... The Holy Spirit identifies with the bride and body of Christ because she is redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and has overcome the accuser of the brethren by that blood and the testimony that she has about that blood (Rev 12:11). The bride is perfect and all glorious because she is without spot or wrinkle being sanctified and cleansed by the washing of the WORD (Eph 5:26,27). Those that do not see her in this light of truth have been blinded by the god of this world system and do not walk in the Spirit of truth having no discernment. If some are offended by the truth then get to know it and worship God with it.

 

[Consumed]

lol yeah yeah BOOM!


have you ever meditated upon the meaning of these words Consumed?

1 Timothy 1:18-20
New King James Version (NKJV)

18 This charge I commit to you, son Timothy, according to the prophecies previously made concerning you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, 20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.[/

Doesn't say get angry lol. There is a whole heap of scriptures that says bless those who curse you. Do good to all, give even your enemy a drink of water, love thy neighbor, not to let bitterness enter our heart, judge not, there is more on love than anything else. Sometimes best thing to do is nothing and just keep walking, Jesus did many a time.
Send your peace out, if it doesn't return kick the dust off your feet and walk on.

If I'm deceived by this even I trust and pray God corrects me. Be great that we exhorted the loving part of the bible more than the correcting, but I'm bias in that regard lol

All good, sun comes up in the morning, new day, blessings abound, His goodness and love always there.

 

[VW]

It is very strange, as I have not named anyone here as being judged, at least not in a long time. But I see a lot of people who get defensive and upset with me and my words. Why is that?

If anyone believes that the body of Christ, the bride, is as she needs to be right now, this very minute, without need to be chastised or made more holy or more pure or more like Jesus, then I say now that that person is deceived. If by calling for a closer walk with God, a drawing nearer to Jesus, a deeper trust in the Holy Spirit, I p____ someone off, then that someone needs to take a deeper look at why they got mad.

I have called some names here, Pharisee, religious, such as that. I have not called anyone a demon or a devil or a false prophet or a child or any other derogatory name. But I have been called these are much worse, often without making answer to the charge. (Or did you not know that to call someone a false prophet is to call them an agent of Satan?)

You prove my point.

 

[VW]

She is calling out according to (Rev 22:17), 'The Spirit and the bride say come'... The Holy Spirit identifies with the bride and body of Christ because she is redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and has overcome the accuser of the brethren by that blood and the testimony that she has about that blood (Rev 12:11). The bride is perfect and all glorious because she is without spot or wrinkle being sanctified and cleansed by the washing of the WORD (Eph 5:26,27). Those that do not see her in this light of truth have been blinded by the god of this world system and do not walk in the Spirit of truth having no discernment. If some are offended by the truth then get to know it and worship God with it.

The bride is not perfect yet.

She will be, before she is presented to Jesus as His bride. You can count on it.

 

[Nalu]

it is practically, reasonably, demonstrably, historically, and exegetically impossible to have apostles and prophets today.

That's correct.

What we are stuck with these days are self proclaimed, long winded false prophets and fake apostles.

These people tell us to step outside of clear Biblical scripture and tell us that their private revelations should supersede the Word of God.

They screech don't put God in a box and numerous other slogans.

The Bible did say that they would come, we live in that day, and they dwell among us.

Word of advice don't drink the jim jones kool-aid.

 

[AnandaHya]

Doesn't say get angry lol. There is a whole heap of scriptures that says bless those who curse you. Do good to all, give even your enemy a drink of water, love thy neighbor, not to let bitterness enter our heart, judge not, there is more on love than anything else. Sometimes best thing to do is nothing and just keep walking, Jesus did many a time.
Send your peace out, if it doesn't return kick the dust off your feet and walk on.

If I'm deceived by this even I trust and pray God corrects me. Be great that we exhorted the loving part of the bible more than the correcting, but I'm bias in that regard lol

All good, sun comes up in the morning, new day, blessings abound, His goodness and love always there.

yeah I decided to ignore those who slander the name of Jesus, His Holy Spirit and His spotless bride and just let God deal with it

when I can I will bless them and give them some scripture to eat and drink from or some words of love and when I can't then I'll do as you say and walk on.

but it doesn't say anger is always bad. it is just what you do with your anger that makes the different. do you give in react to the situation or do you pray and ask God for His guidance on how to respond?

anyways, love you bro

 

[zone]

The bride is not perfect yet.

She will be, before she is presented to Jesus as His bride. You can count on it.

i wonder how that will happen since she's apparently devoid of the Holy Spirit (spiritually dead)?

 

[AnandaHya]

Revelations 19
6 And I heard, as it were, the voice of a great multitude, as the sound of many waters and as the sound of mighty thunderings, saying, &#8220;Alleluia! For the[d] Lord God Omnipotent reigns! 7 Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.&#8221; 8 And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
9 Then he said to me, &#8220;Write: &#8216;Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!&#8217;&#8221; And he said to me, &#8220;These are the true sayings of God.&#8221; 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, &#8220;See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.&#8221;