Are generational curses relevant today?

[danschance]

more maligning of God's character.

Jeremiah 31:29
In those days they shall no longer say: “‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.’

what "in those days"? do you know?

Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Ezekiel 18
The word of the Lord came to me: “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge’? As I live, declares the Lord God, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die. “If a man is righteous and does what is just and right...

2 Chronicles 25:4
But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses, where the Lord commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

First off, no one her is "maligning God's character. That is an irrational assertion based on your own lack of understanding. You seem to be claiming that Generational curses are "maligning God's character. If that is true than how can you explain the following verses?

You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, Ex 20:5

keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. Ex 34:7

I think you falsely assume God to be nothing but love, fun and smiles, when in fact He is much more.

As far as the other two verses you posted, they do not disprove that generational curses do not exist. They simply prove that legal (civil and criminal) Liabilities can not be passed down to children. In some cultures the children are responsible for the debt the parents accumulated. That is all those verses are saying.

 

[danschance]

other chapters witness to what? generational curses? or sons doing evil whether their fathers did or not? there's nothing in there about generational curses. certainly not the sort of thing being proposed by certain sects today.

If this is not a generational curse then what is it?

keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation. Ex 34:7

 

[danschance]

i would say the rest is superstition and an unhealthy focus on the demonic.

I would say that is shear (lack of scriptural knowledge and biblical understanding).

 

[Vaudeville]

First off, no one her is "maligning God's character. That is an irrational assertion based on your own lack of understanding. You seem to be claiming that Generational curses are "maligning God's character. If that is true than how can you explain the following verses?


I think you falsely assume God to be nothing but love, fun and smiles, when in fact He is much more.

As far as the other two verses you posted, they do not disprove that generational curses do not exist. They simply prove that legal (civil and criminal) Liabilities can not be passed down to children. In some cultures the children are responsible for the debt the parents accumulated. That is all those verses are saying.

Jeremiah 31:29
In those days they shall no longer say: “‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.’



Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

Ezekiel 18
The word of the Lord came to me: “What do you mean by repeating this proverb concerning the land of Israel, ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge’? As I live, declares the Lord God, this proverb shall no more be used by you in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die. “If a man is righteous and does what is just and right...

2 Chronicles 25:4
But he did not put their children to death, according to what is written in the Law, in the Book of Moses,where the Lord commanded, “Fathers shall not die because of their children, nor children die because of their fathers, but each one shall die for his own sin.”

new covenant, in those days.

 

[Vaudeville]

I would say that is shear (lack of scriptural knowledge and biblical understanding).

alright. what do you mean by generational curses and can christians suffer them?

 

[danschance]

sorry about that. the jews had a proverb saying ‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,And the children’s teeth are set on edge"

this is a way of saying the son bears the guilt of his father's sin, or said another way, is cursed due to his father's sin. the generational curse idea.

So you are denying that a generational curse has ever been biblical. Then please explain the verse below, especially the red higlighted part. What would you call that?

keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children’s children, to the third and the fourth generation.

People keep posting they do not believe generational curses have ever existed and yet I can post serval scriptures where God says that the children will be punished for the fathers sin. King David is a classic example of this. He had sex with another man's wife, got her pregant in the process and then murder her husband to cover it. God spoke thru Nathan and pronounced curses on David:
1) The sword will never leave your house
2) Another man will sleep with your wives publicly
3) and the child in the woman he cheated with shall die.

Why are people so blind to the fact that God can bless and curse? In the following NEW TESTAMENT verse, God clearly explains this.

20Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. 21I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. 22So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. 23I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.

Why do so many ignore this and assume it can't be when it is actually printed in their own bibles?

 

[Vaudeville]

danschance, i'd like to hear you out.

alright. what do you mean by generational curses and can christians suffer them?

 

[danschance]

danschance, i'd like to hear you out.

Apparently Christians can experience the after effects of a generational Curse. This is what happened to me:

A deliverance minister suggested I study the pagan religions of my ancestors and repent to God for them doing so. I am of German heritage and I studied the pagan religions of Europe. Right after I did this, God gave me a vision of an old man around 60 years old. He took a head of wheat in his hand and rubbed it between his hands. Then blew the chaff away, He started intently at the grains with a very serious look, Then God showed me that he hung a goat in a tree. In my study I learned that they would hang a dead animal in a sacred grove as an offering to a pagan god.

I prayed that his sin would be forgiven and any generational curse from this be lifted off of me and my children. So I know generational curses are real, even if I do not understand why God drops these curses on the children of those who sin. I can only assume that God feels very angry over some sins and wants repentance over those serious sins.

 

[Vaudeville]

Apparently Christians can experience the after effects of a generational Curse. This is what happened to me:

well, anecdotes about what happened to you is not biblical evidence of generational curses.

"I prayed that his sin would be forgiven and any generational curse from this be lifted off of me and my children. So I know generational curses are real, even if I do not understand why God drops these curses on the children of those who sin. I can only assume that God feels very angry over some sins and wants repentance over those serious sins."

because a deliverance minister (suspect in any case) told you to do something concerning the dead, and you prayed, you know generational curses are real.

can you repent for dead men? thats catholicism. or worse. sorry. to each their own.

 

[RedTent]

When we read of the last hours of Jacob when his sons gathered around him for Jacob's blessings and curses, we see how those were true. If we follow the history of the tribes down through the ages we see how Jacob described the characteristics of each on the sons, and how the tribe followed true to that down through the ages. Some, even to today.

I wonder how much of that is inherited characteristics, and how much learning passed down through the generations.

We know that it is the will for each and every person God created for that person to have salvation, and abundance in the Lord. We know that through Christ, each person of us can be wiped clean so we may be a new person in Christ each and every day. That would say that it is not the will of the Lord that anyone be cursed.

 

[ji]

i would say the rest is superstition and an unhealthy focus on the demonic.

without any doubt,it is...
confusion comes from the devil.

you said it right there.
Everything Godly ends in 'yes' or 'no'.Its very Straight.

 

[danschance]

well, anecdotes about what happened to you is not biblical evidence of generational curses.

"I prayed that his sin would be forgiven and any generational curse from this be lifted off of me and my children. So I know generational curses are real, even if I do not understand why God drops these curses on the children of those who sin. I can only assume that God feels very angry over some sins and wants repentance over those serious sins."

because a deliverance minister (suspect in any case) told you to do something concerning the dead, and you prayed, you know generational curses are real.

can you repent for dead men? thats catholicism. or worse. sorry. to each their own.

I am not Catholic nor have I ever been. Read this verse again:

Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting (punishing) the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Now suppose you are the grandson of a man who started a generational curse on his family and he is no longer alive. By asking God to forgive the debt your grandfather caused, because we are now under grace and Christ bore all of our punishments and even curses (Christ became a curse Gal 3:13), The curse can be removed. I am no suggesting that Grandfather's guilt is taken away. I am saying the punishment of his actions can if we simply ask God in Jesus name.

Now back to my story. God Himself revealed a grievous sin that one of my ancestor committed. The 3rd command says:

4–6 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments. Ex 20 4-6

God states explicitly that idolatry brings a generational curse and this is what my ancestor did, as God showed me. I prayed as best I could with what I know and I believe a generational curse was lifted off of me and my family. You have an opportunity to learn about this or reject it, mock it and me and stay in the dark, That is your choice.