Are the Ten Commandments included in the abolished Law?

Purelyblessed · Apr 17, 2013

Are the Ten Commandments included in the abolished Law?

There are many folk, including those who promote the Saturday Sabbath and the keeping thereof, that still resolutely claim that the Ten Commandments, because they were written on stone, are not part of the Law of Moses, or at very least they are a separate part of it that is not referred to when the Bible tells us that the Law has been abolished. However, in Romans 13 God clearly shows us that in fact the Ten Commandments are considered by Him as part of the Law. The ramifications of keeping the Law and adhering to it are far-reaching and frightening and this is resolutely ignored by all the Sabbatarians who stand by the keeping of the Saturday Sabbath in the firm belief that the Ten Commandments are not part of the abolished Law of Moses. Like good Bereans, we need to look and see what the Word has to say on this subject.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Here is a very clear explanation by Jesus Himself, explaining that nothing of the Law would pass away until it all was fulfilled. So the question to be asked then in line with this statement is whether there is a time coming when all will be fulfilled? Jesus in fact gave us the manner in which this would be achieved in John 13:34, but it was through Paul’s ministry that it became clear that this was how the Law was to be fulfilled.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

Now we need to dispel the myth of the Sabbatarians and other proponents of the Saturday Sabbath who cling to the belief that the Ten Commandments are not part of the overall Law of Moses.

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

In Romans 13:8 God teaches us that loving one another is the fulfilling of the Law and in John 13:34 Jesus confirmed for us with His new commandment, the how to fulfil the Law. In Romans 13:9 God gives us confirmation that the Ten Commandments are included in the Law:

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

In this all-encompassing inclusion of the Ten Commandments where 5 of the 10 are named and the rest are included in the words, “and if there be any other commandment”, it is plainly obvious to anyone that the Ten Commandments are part of the overall Law of Moses because they too are fulfilled by loving your neighbour as yourself.

However there is an even clearer teaching and confirmation that the Ten Commandments are included in the Law of Moses and have been abolished and this is to be found in 2 Corinthians 3:6-17. In this chapter God takes the time to explain how the letter of the Law brings death and how the Spirit of grace and righteousness brings life. So the Law represents death and the Spirit, God’s grace.

2 Corinthians 3:6-17 6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

In verse 6 we find Paul using metaphorical speech where he speaks about the letter and the spirit, where the letter represents the letter of the Law and the spirit, the Spirit of God’s grace. Paul states that the Law kills and the Spirit, or grace, brings life.

Then to clear up any doubts that Paul is speaking of the Ten Commandments, in verse 7 he describes how the ministration of death (which is a metaphor for the Law of Moses), was written and engraved in stone and was glorious and how that glory was to be done away with! Now in the Word of God there is only one thing that was ever written and engraved in stone and that was the Ten Commandments. In verses 8 and 9 Paul goes on to say that the ministration of the Spirit of grace and righteousness would be even more glorious than that of the Law.

In verse 10 we are told that even though the Law was glorious, its glory paled into insignificance in comparison with the glory of the Spirit of grace and righteousness and then the crunch comes in verse 11 where Paul says if that which was done away with was glorious, how much greater was the glory of that which would remain. So there have been a number of times already where Paul has confirmed that the Law, which we have seen includes the Ten Commandments, was to be done away with in favour of God’s grace.

In verses 13 and 14 we have further confirmation that the Law would be abolished and done away with and he says that Israel (the Jews of Jesus’ day) could not see that a time would come when the Law would be abolished because their minds were blinded to the grace of God. Paul then uses the veil that Moses used to cover his face because the glory of the Lord upon it was too bright for the people to look on, as a metaphor for that which was blinding their spiritual eyes from seeing the truth about the Law. Nevertheless he says, the day would come when they would accept Christ and the veil over their spirits would be lifted so they could see the truth.

And the truth is this: The spirit spoken of in verse 6 is identified in verse 17 as being the Lord, and where the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty!

There is one final part of the myth that needs dispelling and it is contained in a verse that the Sabbatarians love to quote as a kind of quid pro quo. However it is so plainly evident that they are misled and in error in their understanding of the verse and that with a little more objective study they would have been able to perceive the truth and not be misled through their own blindness.

Revelation 22:14 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

God is saying in this verse that those who do His commandments are the ones who will earn the right to eat of the tree of life and live in the New Jerusalem. This is very similar in essence to the admonition found in James 1:22 where we are commanded to be doers of the Word and not hearers only, deceiving ourselves. Yes but what about doing His commandments? As we have seen in our discussion above that the Law of Moses, including the Ten Commandments, has been abolished and done away with, we need to ask ourselves objectively whether this verse can be referring to that which God has taught us is already abolished, or are there other commandments being referred to here? Well with a bit of research it can be established that there are approximately 1 050 commands in the New Testament that Christians are expected to obey as doers of the Word. Due to repetitions, these commands can be reduced to roughly about 800 headings and they cover every facet of Man’s life and his relationship to God and his fellowmen. If obeyed these commands will bring rich rewards in this Earthly life, as well as eternally hereafter, but if disobeyed and ignored that will result in eternal punishment. These commands are not to be confused with the Ten Commandments or any of the rest of the Law of Moses, which has been abolished and done away with. They are so numerous it is not possible for them to be listed here, but as doers of God’s Word, we are mostly automatically living by and keeping these commandments.

In the opening paragraph I mentioned that the ramifications of keeping the Law and relying upon it for salvation are huge and even frightening! God tells us in Galatians 5:3+4 that if we keep even one of the laws in the Law of Moses, as a doctrine, we are bound to keep them all! By keeping them we have then made Christ of no effect and we have fallen from grace!

Galatians 5:3+4 3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

In the previous 2 chapters of Galatians, Paul had been discussing those who were advocating not only the circumcision of the Gentile men who came to repentance and salvation in Christ, but also the need for all who followed Christ to keep the Law. This was a false doctrine that had crept into the Church and even Peter and some of the other disciples adhered to it for a time. Paul’s use of the word circumcised in verse 3 above, is used as a type of the whole Law and not just circumcision and this is confirmed in verse 4 because he says that whoever relies on the Law for justification has fallen from grace and that Christ has become of no effect for them. It now makes sense why Paul says in verse 3 at the end, that if a man was to be circumcised or keep any one of the myriad laws in the Law of Moses, that he then was indebted to keep the entire Law.

The point that I am making with all of this is that we cannot allow ourselves to be led astray with false teaching that is not based on Scripture. It has been clearly shown from God’s Word that the Ten Commandments are part of the Law and have therefore also been abolished, although 9 of them have been included into the New Testament in various books. It is significant that the only one of the Ten Commandments not included in the New Testament is the fourth commandment, to keep the Sabbath day holy and so even the more tragic that the Sabbatarians cling to their belief that it is a must to worship on Saturdays. But compounding this tragedy is that these folk cannot see in Galatians that God is speaking to them and warning them that they have fallen from grace. In Galatians 3:1 God says that folk who cling to the Law have been bewitched!

In conclusion, we have shown from Scripture that the Ten Commandments are definitely part of the Law of Moses and therefore also part that which has been abolished. To those who cling to the false teaching that the compulsory day for the Church to worship God on is Saturday, we ask for God’s grace to forgive them and to have their spiritual eyes, which have been blinded, opened to see the glory of Christ and His grace and righteousness. Furthermore, may they be set free by the Spirit of the Lord wherein there is liberty!

Andre de Kock

Was there ever a time when man did not need grace? (yes Adam and Eve at one time did not need grace nor did they know what it was that is before sin because the law was put here because of sin.)

It is interesting that Paul says this in Romans...

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

"First he says for sin shall not have dominion over you" Meaning if sin has control over you then you are not under grace. Because being under the law means we are guilty...

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

So once we find that we are guilty we see that the law is the knowledge of our sin

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So what does it mean to be under grace? lets go to Titus..
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Grace is what teaches us not to sin. Again what is sin? Rom 3:20 "the law is the knowledge of sin."

Titus also says that "we should live righteously" What is righteousness? Psa_119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

"For all thy commandments are righteousness"

Jesus is called righteous because he alone was able to keep the law

Paul goes on to teach us that seeing how the law could not save us God sent His own Son to condemn sin in the flesh that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who live by faith.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So the closer we come to Jesus by faith the law will be fulfilled in us.

If there is no law then there is no sin you see and your whole premise is faltey. Grace is not a substitute for the law. It teaches us not to brake the law. When we sin the Holy Spirit points out the law whitch brings us to Jesus and then the law if repented of brings righteousness in our life. In other words it brings Jesus in our life.

kardiaoangelous · Apr 17, 2013

Purelyblessed said:

Was there ever a time when man did not need grace? (yes Adam and Eve at one time did not need grace nor did they know what it was that is before sin because the law was put here because of sin.)

It is interesting that Paul says this in Romans...

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

"First he says for sin shall not have dominion over you" Meaning if sin has control over you then you are not under grace. Because being under the law means we are guilty...

Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

So once we find that we are guilty we see that the law is the knowledge of our sin

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

So what does it mean to be under grace? lets go to Titus..
Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Grace is what teaches us not to sin. Again what is sin? Rom 3:20 "the law is the knowledge of sin."

Titus also says that "we should live righteously" What is righteousness? Psa_119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

"For all thy commandments are righteousness"

Jesus is called righteous because he alone was able to keep the law

Paul goes on to teach us that seeing how the law could not save us God sent His own Son to condemn sin in the flesh that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who live by faith.

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

So the closer we come to Jesus by faith the law will be fulfilled in us.

If there is no law then there is no sin you see and your whole premise is faltey. Grace is not a substitute for the law. It teaches us not to brake the law. When we sin the Holy Spirit points out the law whitch brings us to Jesus and then the law if repented of brings righteousness in our life. In other words it brings Jesus in our life.

Very well explained.

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

loveme1 said:

Iam not saying you are not set free or not only you know this, I am only saying if any one of us is stressed out over our walk in belief then ther might be error in our belief that is keeping us stressed out
You do belief that the truth will set you free right?
Then if any one of us are in bondage (stressed out over) angry and sin, we are then not thus set free are we?
Could it then be that there might be error in our truth that is keeping us from being free such as I am in an unredeemed body therefore I will not ever stop sinning?
I love you sister and all here and am not looking to condem anyone looking for me to rethink my error(s) in my truth in order to set free as God came to do for all of us that beleive thats all.

loveme1 · Apr 17, 2013

homwardbound said:

i'm not angry or stressed out and do not feel condemned

i'm happy to leave off this conversation with you, i share my beliefs and would never want to come across as the "do as i do" many times i have been accused of not knowing the Truth for simply relaying the message i received.

If one does not Keep Sabbath through faith and love for Heavenly Father and Yahshua Messiah, then what words could i ever write to inform them?

It must come from within a person otherwise it is not Faith and Love.

Peace and Blessings to you.

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

ANIOHEVTORAH said:

I appreciate Father through Christ in an awesomeness and do not take advantage of his grace. I trust God and thank God that God has set me free in him. I am no longer stressed out over what to do or how much to do, whether Ihave done enough or not. I am at rest from work (self-work) done by Christ at the finished work of the cross.
Now today God himself does the work that God wants through me I am nothoing more than a vessel just as Christ was and gave great example to us all, even gave us the Holy Ghost for it to be easy for us to do Father's work of LOVE not commandments LOVE
Sorry you misinterpret works vrs Faith
Faith produces God works throguh us not our works
For God ahs never asked anyone once to figure it out, but he has asked many times over to trust have faith, you know why?
Because God has got it all figured out and uses those that trust him no matter waht starting with Noah, then Abraham and on down the lineage to Christ the dividing line of Human history before and after. All things consist in Christ there is no mixing Law and grace it does nopt mix and while in the mix one is stressed out over doing it right or wrong and in worry behind closed doors, when going back out in the world putting their mask back on and appearing as if they are just together when a lot are not, I have been there and was miserable behind closed doors and today have been freed from that by trust in God while still nothing goes right according to the flesh, no Job, disabled, not knowing when where and how, but knowing somehow as Job knew he will be taken care of and not ever curse God

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

ANIOHEVTORAH said:

The Old Testament Law of Moses does not declare that and they never understood that as the greatest is Love. God was not satisfied with the Sacrifices of Bulls and Goats read it in Hebrews and Christ came to put an end to the letter of the Law and bring in the Spirit of Love as you just mentiined but agian uit is not mentioned in the Ten and the Ten along with the rest was put in place 430years after the poromise to Abraham by Faith. Even though death remanined before the Law the Law was put in place to show us our sinfulness to show us our need for a savior Jesus Christ. That was the purpose of the Law of Moses a veil over his face and that veil remains with a lot of people until they come to the cross and see all that it offers and it offers everything one needs for life and Godliness
That is how

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

loveme1 said:

I accept that you feel this way, and am not glad that you condem me that everyday is a sabbath rest to me
When I give God thanks
Re read Romans 14 all of it and ask God to reveal to you his mighty LOVE that has set the captives free from stressing out over things of the letter
Becasue under the law of the Sabbath you are not to lify a finger to do anything and Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath by the religous leaders of the day and what goes around Sister comes around. We are to enter into the Sabbath rest by the Spirit of God and be born of the Spirit of God at the cross of God by the resurrection and when born again in the Spirit one's flesh work is dead and are alive in the Spirit where nosin can enter in
As you said God can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth, yet you mi8ght be keeping your flesh alive and continue in sin riding the fence one minute in the flesh the next in the Spirit, and thus asking God for more forgiveness when there is no mopre forgiveness to be executed at all it was done and finished at the cross before any ofus here were ever born. And there id no forgiveness ever from God without the shedding of blood period
The new Covenant is at the death of Christ
Luke 22:20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.
Hebrews 8:1[ The High Priest of a New Covenant ] Now the main point of what we are saying is this: We do have such a high priest, who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in heaven,
Hebrews 8:6But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
Hebrews 8:8But God found fault with the people and said: “The days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah.

This day came with Christ at the cross
Hebrews 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Hebrews 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Hebrews 8:13

By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

And we are under a new Priesthood
Hebrews 7:11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Hebrews 7:12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

A new Covenant a new Law and a new Priesthood not at all under the Ten let alone all 316 commands
The laws not Law written on our hearts is the Law of Love that fulfilled in Christ Jesus
For if the Law the commandments the Ten written in letter to do or else could bring one to salvation then there would never have been a need for Christ to go to the cross, and obviously there was Christ endured it to the death to take away the sin of the whole world to be able to present those that believe in him Holy to Father by the death of Christ so the we can be born again on the spot by the same resurrection of Christ in the Spirit of Christ blameless and Holy by the last sacrifice and last shedding of Blood of Christ for you, you and you it is finished you can rest in him thanking him, praising him for this miraculous salvation in trusting Christ that he did it all for me, you and you. We have entered into rest his rest by belief, and do not have to worry any longer for all our cares are cast upon Christ and we know that all things will work towards the good once we see the truth of the whole cross not just bits and pieces Sister
All in Love to everyone reading here

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

JaumeJ said:

Waht is written on my heart is the greatest of the commnandments and that is LOVE God's type best described in 1 Cor 13 and is the fulfillment of the Law all Law, done bt christ for me at the cross and recieved by the resurrection of Christ at the cross me being born again in the Spirit of Christ so L am able to serve and worship in the Spirit of God as required

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
John 4:24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
John 14:17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:16-18 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
John 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
John 16:12-14 (in Context) John 16 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
Ephesians 5:9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
Ephesians 5:8-10 (in Context) Ephesians 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2 Thessalonians 2:13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
2 Thessalonians 2:12-14 (in Context) 2 Thessalonians 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
1 John 4:6We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1 John 4:5-7 (in Context) 1 John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
1 John 5:6This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1 John 5:5-7 (in Context) 1 John 5 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

PS said:

And after he fulfilled the Law and Prphets he went to the cross and yelled out as he was about to die
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Which his death brought in a new covenant
Hebrews 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 9:16
For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Hebrews 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Romans 7:6But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
Ephesians 2:15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

JaumeJ · Apr 17, 2013

If we, as responsible to the Messiah, do not continue to remember to teach the Ten Commandments, others will not know to be convicted by their own consciences, for the power of sin is in the Law. How will others find grace without knowing the Commandments?

When we spread the Good News, that is to say, the Gospel of our Lord, those who are ignorant of the need to repent will simply say yes, yes with their mouths. Without knowing the Commandments what need is there for them to repent. Yes, the wonderful ten were inscribed in stone, but now the commandments are written by Yahweh, Himself, on our hearts.

Never, ever dismiss God's Word at any level without having learned why it is written down for all of us who are able to study.

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

loveme1 said:

Thank You amd I see you have the Love of Chrisat which passes all understanding of the peace, righteousness, and joy found in the reception of the new life by Christ through the Holy Ghost, and this is why I am at rest even while at work for it is not me doing the work any longer is God doing it as is what is going on with you as well
I am forever thankful in this Sister

homwardbound · Apr 17, 2013

JaumeJ said:

Thanks, and it is by the Law the ten that we shall come to know our need for the Messiah Thank you and thus worship at the Messiah's feet rather than the Law be under the Law giver and set free to do the Laws of Love written on ones heart that new heart given freely by the grace of God

WomanLovesTX · Apr 17, 2013

The Law is not "abolished" but "fulfilled".

G4137 "fulfil"
plēroō
From G4134; to make replete, that is, (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.: - accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.

Mat_1:22; Mat_2:15; Mat_2:17; Mat_2:23; Mat_3:15; Mat_4:14; Mat_5:17; Mat_8:17; Mat_12:17; Mat_13:35; Mat_13:48; Mat_21:4; Mat_23:32; Mat_26:54; Mat_26:56; Mat_27:9; Mat_27:35; Mar_1:15; Mar_14:49; Mar_15:28; Luk_1:20; Luk_2:40; Luk_3:5; Luk_4:21; Luk_7:1; Luk_9:31; Luk_21:22; Luk_21:24; Luk_22:16; Luk_24:44; Joh_3:29; Joh_7:8; Joh_12:3; Joh_12:38; Joh_13:18; Joh_15:11; Joh_15:25; Joh_16:6; Joh_16:24; Joh_17:12; Joh_17:13; Joh_18:9; Joh_18:32; Joh_19:24; Joh_19:36; Act_1:16; Act_2:2; Act_2:28; Act_3:18; Act_5:3; Act_5:28; Act_7:23; Act_7:30; Act_9:23; Act_12:25; Act_13:25; Act_13:27; Act_13:52; Act_14:26; Act_19:21; Act_24:27; Rom_1:29; Rom_8:4; Rom_13:8; Rom_15:13; Rom_15:14; Rom_15:19; 2Co_7:4; 2Co_10:6; Gal_5:14; Eph_1:23; Eph_3:19; Eph_4:10; Eph_5:18; Php_1:11; Php_2:2; Php_4:18; Php_4:19; Col_1:9; Col_1:25; Col_2:10; Col_4:12; Col_4:17; 2Th_1:11; 2Ti_1:4; Jas_2:23; 1Jn_1:4; 2Jn_1:12; Rev_3:2; Rev_6:11;

G337 "abolish"
anaireō
From G303 and (the active of) G138; to take up, that is, adopt; by implication to take away (violently), that is, abolish, murder: - put to death, kill, slay, take away, take up.

Mat_2:16; Luk_22:2; Luk_23:32; Act_2:23; Act_5:33; Act_5:36; Act_7:21; Act_7:28; Act_9:23; Act_9:24; Act_9:29; Act_10:39; Act_12:2; Act_13:28; Act_16:27; Act_22:20; Act_23:15; Act_23:21; Act_23:27; Act_25:3; Act_26:10; Heb_10:9;

G2673 "abolish"
katargeō
From G2596 and G691; to be (render) entirely idle (useless), literally or figuratively: - abolish, cease, cumber, deliver, destroy, do away, become (make) of no (none, without) effect, fail, loose, bring (come) to nought, put away (down), vanish away, make void.
Luk_13:7; Rom_3:3; Rom_3:31; Rom_4:14; Rom_6:6; Rom_7:2; Rom_7:6; 1Co_1:28; 1Co_2:6; 1Co_6:13; 1Co_13:8; 1Co_13:10; 1Co_13:11; 1Co_15:24; 1Co_15:26; 2Co_3:7; 2Co_3:11; 2Co_3:13; 2Co_3:14; Gal_3:17; Gal_5:4; Gal_5:11; Eph_2:15; 2Th_2:8; 2Ti_1:10; Heb_2:14;

Matthew 5:17-18 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. So then ... What does "abolish" bring about? Now... What does "fulfill" bring about?

Take note that Jesus said he came to do one and NOT the other. They cannot, therefore, mean the same thing. However, we are informed by church leaders that they DO bring about the same result. Think about it. According to the American Heritage Dictionary "abolish" means "To do away with; put an end to." And yet what are we told "fulfill" means. "The definition given to us is the same. "To do away with; put an end to."

The Greek word for fulfill here is pleroo. It's the same word used for Matt. 3:15 When Jesus is baptized by John ... Jesus replied, "Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill (pleroo) all righteousness." Then John consented.

According to the interpretation the Church gives Matt. 5:17-18 regarding Fulfill, we don't have to worry about righteousness since Christ fulfilled it at His baptism. Sounds absurd doesn't it?

The next thing that Jesus states in Matt. 5 is that not one thing will be removed from the Law 'til everything is accomplished.

"everything is accomplished" is a direct referral to all prophecy being completed. This is NOT a referrall to the cross when Jesus stated "It is finished" because there was and is prophecy yet to be fulfilled. Pentecost was just one thing that had to be fulfilled AFTER the cross.

V. 18 in Matt. 5 is a direct point to Rev. 21:5-6. Revelation 21:5-6 "He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down for these words are trustworthy and true." He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."

All prophecy is completed at that point...When Heaven and Earth are made new. It shouldn't be any surprise then that Jesus said "Until Heaven and Earth pass away..." in the context of all of the Law and Prophets being fulfilled!

According to Peter, we are still waiting for that to happen....2 Peter 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

If you ask most people today, I am sure they will agree that this is still the same Heaven and Earth that Yeshua/Jesus walked on during His statements in Matthew 5. It's interesting how the church in all it's fascination with prophecy, will cling to the news ofthe day as they watch for prophecy to unfold but conveniently cast aside the Law. That which the Lord Himself said would NOT be done away with until ALL prophecy is completed. (Matt. 5:18)

Let's look at some other places this word is used ....

Rom. 15:13 "May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit."

So does this mean to do away with or put an end to all your joy and peace?

I don't think so.

Col. 1:25 "I have become its servant by the commission God gave me to present to you the word of God in its fullness.

So does this mean to do away with the word of God?

Of course not.

So why does the Church tell us that this word means "to do away with" or "put an end to" in Matthew Ch 5? It just doesn't make sense.

We also see Pleroo used in a past tnese form in James 2:23. "And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

It doesn't mean to do away with or put an end to it. It simply means to bring to fruition in ones life. So the law is to be lived out in our life with Christ as our example.

Remember, obedience to the law is NOT our salvation, it's the fruit, the evidence, of our salvation.

RedTent · Apr 17, 2013

Every single word of scripture is true and those who use their worldly reason and words to say it isn't is in danger.

Law is the instructions God gives us for safe living, so we may live abundantly. It is love.

Grace is what God gives us so we may live with Him always.

When God says we are not under law but under grace, God is telling us that even though law tells us of what kills, God is giving us the means to be forgiven of what kills. We are to repent of our sins, thank God for the forgiveness offered in Christ and grace, then obey God's instructions with faith in Him and in the instructions. Then He will always forgive.

The Holy Spirit helps us understand all of God, including law. We can choose to follow that understanding, but it doesn't have the power to make us do that.

It is simple, straight forward, no going round and round the bush of our reasoning. We aren't to invent new meanings, simply be humble before our God.

ANIOHEVTORAH · Apr 17, 2013

Proverbs 28:9 One who turns away his ear from hearing the law/Torah, even his prayer is an abomination.

This says alot!

AgeofKnowledge · Apr 17, 2013

"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? [SUP]5 [/SUP]So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? [SUP]6 [/SUP]So also Abraham 'believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.'

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: 'All nations will be blessed through you.' [SUP]9 [/SUP]So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.' [SUP]11 [/SUP]Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because 'the righteous will live by faith.' [SUP]12

[/SUP]The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.' [SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.' [SUP]14 [/SUP]He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit." -Galatians 3:1-14.

JaumeJ · Apr 17, 2013

I am so happy that you include the verses about the curse of the law being guilt, punishment and death. So many take this to mean the law, itself, which is good and full of wisdom for those who are permitted to peceive. God bless you for showing all this truth. Blessed be our Lord, Yeshua, and blessed be the Commandments, amen.

[QUOTE=AgeofKnowledge;996666]"You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? [SUP]5 [/SUP]So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? [SUP]6 [/SUP]So also Abraham 'believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.'

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: 'All nations will be blessed through you.' [SUP]9 [/SUP]So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.' [SUP]11 [/SUP]Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because 'the righteous will live by faith.' [SUP]12

[/SUP]The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.' [SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: 'Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.' [SUP]14 [/SUP]He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit." -Galatians 3:1-14.[/QUOTE]

PS · Apr 17, 2013

We haven’t decided what the law is. Generally we think of the law books as being the first five books of the Old Testament or the Pentateuch but it can also mean the whole of the Old Testament or the Torah. (See the links below.) I know it is Wiki but if it were wrong the Jewish community would soon have corrected it.

Torah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tanakh - Definition | WordIQ.com

Within the Torah are the prophets and I would like to suggest that Jesus was saying he had not come to destroy the Law (the Old Testament) heaven forbid! But he had come to fulfill the law, meaning the Prophets, so ushering in the New Covenant.

kardiaoangelous · Apr 17, 2013

PS said:

We haven’t decided what the law is. Generally we think of the law books as being the first five books of the Old Testament or the Pentateuch but it can also mean the whole of the Old Testament or the Torah. (See the links below.) I know it is Wiki but if it were wrong the Jewish community would soon have corrected it.

Torah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tanakh - Definition | WordIQ.com

Within the Torah are the prophets and I would like to suggest that Jesus was saying he had not come to destroy the Law (the Old Testament) heaven forbid! But he had come to fulfill the law, meaning the Prophets, so ushering in the New Covenant.

Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

Grandpa · Apr 17, 2013

JaumeJ said:

I don't think you are understanding. This isn't about wisdom. This is about following the law in your flesh. Do you keep the saturday sabbath? Yes? Then you are obligated to keep the rest of the law. You believe that the law applies to you and that you can live up to it in your flesh and be blessed by it.

I think you are sadly mistaken. The reason why we need a saviour in the first place is because we weren't able to obey God's Law.

We had to have faith that there was one that could save us from that situation. We had to have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Your obedience to the law didn't save you. It condemns you. The Lord Jesus saves you. Why would you go back to that which condemns you? The blessing is in the Lord Jesus and ONLY in the Lord Jesus. If you think there is blessing in the law you must not be very honest about your situation.

The Lord Jesus says Abide in Him. There's no reason to go anywhere else.

Galatians 3:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.[SUP]11 [/SUP]But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

The promise of the spirit through faith. The Lord Jesus is our righteousness, end of story.

1 Corinthians 1:30-31
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
[SUP]31 [/SUP]That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Are the Ten Commandments included in the abolished Law?

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