Are the Ten Commandments included in the abolished Law?

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homwardbound

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Homy, you know that we had some good experience and some not so good experience together on this site... Today I hope to share something with you that will help you SEE how the Spirit is still leading you, and not MOVING, or DRIVING you YET!

Homy, before we were called we did not worry being IN the Spirit or not... But this is the problem. We were taught that we can be IN the Spirit and still make mistakes... That is NOT true. Nowhere in the Bible does it say a person in the Spirit makes mistakes... It is the ones that WALKS OFF the WAY that makes mistakes, but that is ones that does not FOLLOW THE LEAD of the Spirit.


Homy get this now.... The Holy Spirit leads MANY PEOPLE, but only FEW FALLOWS HIM ALL THE WAY...
Homy Every person that still "make mistakes, sin, backslide, or goes against God's will" did not FOLLOW ALL THE WAY YET!!!
Some NEVER will follow all the way, and some will get BACK IN BEHIND the Spirit's lead and FOLLOW ALL THE WAY, and some will later again not follow, and some NEVER complete the WAY! But for those that ENDURE the FOLLOW THE SPIRIT... THEY SHALL BE SAVED...

Not one person is saved when he starts his "pick up the cross and follow the Spirit" but only when he FOLLOWED ALL THE WAY, then he shall be saved. Not one FOLLOWER is saved, but the ones that endured to the end. Completed the FOLLOW part. Then God FILLS... the FILLING OF THE SPIRIT is at the END of repentance, and after the FILLING there is no NEED FOR REPENTANCE, because there is NO SLIDE, NO SIN, NO MISTAKE... There is no more FOLLOWING, now there is only MOVING. The Spirit that used to LEAD, you now FILLED YOU AND MOVES YOU!

That Cobus that followed the Spirit has DIED IN THE WAY... And the Cobus that is BORN OF GOD, is now IN CHRIST, IN THE SPIRIT, and the CHRIST IS NW IN COBUS... The old COBUS THAT COULD SIN IS DEAD!!!!! Homy, DEAD!!!!! a DEAD PERSON CANNOT SIN!!!! And the NEW COBUS IS CHRIST JESUS IN COBUS... Not leading Cobus... LIVING IN COBUS.... The NEW LIFE IS CHRIST, NOT COBUS... Christ CANNOT sin... not in Jesus, not in Cobus, not in Homy... And as long as Homy can sin Homy has not died YET... Follow the Spirit, until Homy is DEAD!!!! And then Christ can come alive in YOU. Christ cannot be resurrected in you before you have not DIED off ALL SIN!!!!!
You go a long along way around this I am dead to sin by Christ and it is Chriast that leads by my belief in christ the way, the truth, and the life it is done in me. I just take day by day period trusting God and praising God for his miraculous salvation and am not concerned anymore whether I might sin or not, because that is where most people are trapped at, being concerend about waht you state about sin God has purged my conscience from so=in via the cross where he took it all away 100% and he did this in me by teaching me to just be alive to God everyday day by day. Being in the Spirit as you said there is no sin at all and never can be, so Cobus you too come alive and be in the Spirit of God by the resurrecvtiuon of Christ at the cross
The cross of Christ is to purge ones conscience of sin
Hebrews 9:14how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
 

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I am so sorry it seems you are not freed from sin through the death, burial, and resurrection The true Love of God that came to free us to Love all unconditionally.
put works in the way our own and we sin period no flesh in his sight will ever please him (GOD) the only flesh that ever did was and is his Son Christ and the purpose of this was to bring in a new Covenant, a new Law and a new Priesthood. the new Covenant is we are freed from the stress of the Old Covenant of trying to obey it, the stress the worry of whjether I will do it right or wrong, because Christ took away the sin of the world and did this once and for all Sister. Just waiting for us to come to belief in Him over this and then once one sees they are by the cross 100% forgiven whether they sin or not then is when they will stop and get focused on the new life found in the resurrection of Christ and strangelySister sin has disappeared because as a person thinks (sows) so shall they do
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
All the commandments are filled in the Love of God provided through the cross especially through the resurrection
Galatians 5:7[ Love Fulfills the Law ] You ran well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?
Galatians 2:21I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 6:12As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised; only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
My circumcision come not by the hands of men and if being Faithful to the Words He spoke leads you to assume i'm not set free then please remember which Truth sets us free.

John 14

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, keep my commandments.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
 

homwardbound

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The 10 Commands of God are the law of love.
The first four are instructional laws, as to how we are to love God.
The rest of the commands are instructional laws, as to how we are to love each other.
If the 10 Commandments are abolished, love is abolished.
You can sliuce it, dice it or cube it anyway you want. The first Chosen never understood the ten or the 613 commandments as love from God
As a matter of fact the greatest of all the commandment is first To Love thy Lord thy God with all you have and the second is just like it love thy neighbor as thyself
These two greatest laws of LOVE are not written in any those ten
1.Have no other God before me
Where is love in this, this is work to get God to Love you
Where as God does love you. We are to be responders not initiators do and we will get. Where under the New Covenant we got so we do
Under the Old the The Ten we did in order to get
under the new we do because we have period there is no working for it under the new Covenant, under the New Laws of Love, under the New Priesthood of Faith in the finished work of Christ
We respond to God in thanks and go out and do with a Joy a peace a understanding that passes all understanding because God is today sharing his righteousness with us the believers in God and therfore we just love being delivered from the yoke of Bondage that was before Christ came. He never abolished the Law he fulfilled the Law the stress of trying to fulfill the Law and brought in new Laws that fill all Law.
Love you. I just know Old Law and grace does not mix and can't just like oil and water you can mix it up just like Old Law and Grace is being stirred up and it stressing people out behind closed doors being miserable trying to please others and God by what they are doing and can't fighting yelling, sreaming, not liking it but doing it, knowing something is worng inside and can't figure it out. It is mixing Old Covenat and New Covenant they do not mix just like Old wine skins can't take new wine, the new wine bursts the Old wine skin when it expands. That is why everything we need is in the cross the death first where are freed from having to try and obey Law and come to life in the resurrection at the cross being born again here and now of the Spirit of God and staying daily there where there is no transgression of any Law. Therefore I die daily to te flesh carnal mind and come alive to the born again life in the Spirit of God where no sin can or ever will occur. Hidden in Christ won't youcome Join me in the fellowship with all the Saints of Old and New
 

homwardbound

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Obedience to the 10 Commandments is love in action... love is a verb indeed.

i do not believe they are abolished.


I believe the penalty of breaking the Commandments is abolished for the faithful servants.
And through the Love of God we are Faithful as God is Faithful
Go ahead focus on whether you do right or wrong,m have you not yet learned that this is what keeps you in sin
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
None has ever been able to be perfect after Adam and Eve except Christ the second Adam and he was born of a virgin which therefore he was born perfect a life giving Spirit and God was well pleased in him so that through him we are forgiven 100% by the death which brought in a new covenant, a new priesthood and new laws, the laws of love and is fulfillment of all Law
There is no love mentioned in any of the Ten commandments these are do it or else, which brought in stress even more than what was already there by being put out of the Garden and having to till the ground
What is iot you are afraid of? That if you let go you will sin all the more? That you are doing pretty good obeying the ten not all of them but got 8 down and going ofr the other two, just not ever aguiring it and God says to you Sister Let Go and trust Me (GOD) speaking
Sister when are you going to realise trying to obey the Ten is impossible just as putting ten apples in water and trying to hold all ten under water at the same time. As you get 8 down and you go for the other two the 8 pop right back up and you start all over again.
Sister please be born again of the Spirit of God here and Now by the operation of God via the resurrection at the cross three days aftetr the proof of the death that was to be so that we can and are under a new covenant
Hebrews 9:15-17
Love you Sister
 

homwardbound

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As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: 11In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: 12Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. 13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; 14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Seeking Sister to do it is of ones flesh and is not faith in him
Romans 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

And Sister below is the new priesthood, not the levitical priesthood
[h=3]Hebrews 7:15-17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest [SUP]16 [/SUP]who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For He testifies:
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”



 

homwardbound

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My circumcision come not by the hands of men and if being Faithful to the Words He spoke leads you to assume i'm not set free then please remember which Truth sets us free.

John 14
Then why are you mixing Old Law and grace. We are not under Old Law, the Levitical Priesthood and Jesus was not even from the levite tribe. So how can anyone mix the Ten commandments and grace. Oil and water does not mix Sister. But this world is trying to do it leaving people stressed out and worried over whether they do it right or wrong not being born again claiming it but denying it by trying to obey laws with their flesh and just can't I know I used to be very miserable behind closed doors but now by 100% trust in God that it is finished and I am born again of the Spirit of God by God his doing not mine I have been released and serve in the Spirit of God every day and onlyday by day

  1. John 4:23
    But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
    John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  2. John 4:24God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
    John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  3. John 14:17the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
    John 14:16-18 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
  4. John 16:13However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
 
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You can sliuce it, dice it or cube it anyway you want. The first Chosen never understood the ten or the 613 commandments as love from GodHow do you know? Abraham understood YAH's love just fine, as did Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Joshua, etc. So would I say this comment is out of place.

As a matter of fact the greatest of all the commandment is first To Love thy Lord thy God with all you have So please explain what does that mean? How do you show YAH that you love Him with ALL you have?

and the second is just like it love thy neighbor as thyself
These two greatest laws of LOVE are not written in any those ten You mean to say that you can't see YAH's love in the Ten Commandments?

1.Have no other God before me
Where is love in this, this is work to get God to Love youSo to obey this, means you're working to get YAH's love? How does not having other gods considered working?
Where as God does love you. We are to be responders not initiators do and we will get. Where under the New Covenant we got so we doSo you're 56 yrs. old. Do you have kids? If so, I take it they didn't have rules in the house to obey, since that would be working to get your love? they were able to do whatever they wanted right? Even if it was bad?
Under the Old the The Ten we did in order to get
under the new we do because we have period there is no working for it under the new Covenant, under the New Laws of Love, under the New Priesthood of Faith in the finished work of Christ So you have no interest in showing YAH that you love Him? As long as you declare it from your mouth that is good enough?
We respond to God in thanks and go out and do with a Joy a peace a understanding that passes all understanding because God is today sharing his righteousness with us the believers in God and therfore we just love being delivered from the yoke of Bondage that was before Christ came. He never abolished the Law he fulfilled the Law the stress of trying to fulfill the Law and brought in new Laws that fill all Law. So when Yeshua said keep My Father's Commandments as I have, what do you think that means?
Love you. I just know Old Law and grace does not mix and can't just like oil and water you can mix it up just like Old Law and Grace is being stirred up and it stressing people out behind closed doors being miserable trying to please others and God by what they are doing and can't fighting yelling, sreaming, not liking it but doing it, knowing something is worng inside and can't figure it out. It is mixing Old Covenat and New Covenant they do not mix just like Old wine skins can't take new wine, the new wine bursts the Old wine skin when it expands. That is why everything we need is in the cross the death first where are freed from having to try and obey Law and come to life in the resurrection at the cross being born again here and now of the Spirit of God and staying daily there where there is no transgression of any Law. Therefore I die daily to te flesh carnal mind and come alive to the born again life in the Spirit of God where no sin can or ever will occur. Hidden in Christ won't youcome Join me in the fellowship with all the Saints of Old and New


Walking in obedience is not stressful for any believer accept for those who want all the free salvation with no responsibilities in return. They want the free grace, but don't tell me I have to do anything. Reminds me of someone who lives on welfare. They want that welfare check, but don't want to do anything for it. They'd rather lay around on their couch.
This is spiritual laziness. Anyone who really loves YAH with all their heart, mind and strength would be more than happy to walk in His commandments, because they are greatful for the fact that YAH allowed them to receive repentance in the first place. YAH doesn't owe any of us anything. There is too much of an attitude in the body that thinks He does.
 
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Also homewardbound, Loving YAH with all your heart,mind and strength is not a NT command, it is from Torah(books of moses) or otherwise known as from the law. So you're declaring to obey that, but it's from the OT you say is obsolete. So how does that fit in your theology?
 
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The 10 commandments are the tutor that brings us to Christ. The 10 commandments aren't love. Christ is Love. The 10 commandments are just a description of the Spirit that is Love. Our will and flesh cannot attain this. We must have the Lord Jesus Save us and give us the Holy Spirit which causes us to have love for God and our neighbor.

When we come to Christ we are no longer under the law, then through the Holy Spirit we can Love. If you don't include this solution then all you do is condemn with the Law.
"When we come to Christ we are no longer under the law"
Actually we are no longer under the penalty of the law, which was the death penalty.

"The 10 commandments are the tutor that brings us to Christ."
Christ is the teacher who brings us, through love, to keep the Fathers Commands
John 14:15

"If you love Me, keep My commandments.

John 10:30

"I and My Father are one."

"Lord Jesus Save us and give us the Holy Spirit which causes us to have love for God and our neighbor."
This causes us to love God and our neighbor enough to keep the commandments.
Any time we deliberately violate any of Gods commandments, we demonstrate that we do not love God and our neighbor.
The Holy Spirit does not lead us to violate the commandments of God, which are the commandments of Christ; "I and My Father are one."
"If you don't include this solution then all you do is condemn with the Law."
Under the law we have all already been condemn. But, through Christ we are free from the penalty of the law.
Without Christ we are lost, whether we keep the commandments or not. But if we deliberately violate the law, we do not have Christ in us.

1 John 2:4

He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

We all fall short, and miss the mark some times, but all saved people will try to keep all the commands. All people who deliberately violate Gods/Christs 10 commands, or teach others to sin in this way, then say they know Him, "is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
 
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loveme1

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And through the Love of God we are Faithful as God is Faithful
Go ahead focus on whether you do right or wrong,m have you not yet learned that this is what keeps you in sin
Galatians 6:8For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.
None has ever been able to be perfect after Adam and Eve except Christ the second Adam and he was born of a virgin which therefore he was born perfect a life giving Spirit and God was well pleased in him so that through him we are forgiven 100% by the death which brought in a new covenant, a new priesthood and new laws, the laws of love and is fulfillment of all Law
There is no love mentioned in any of the Ten commandments these are do it or else, which brought in stress even more than what was already there by being put out of the Garden and having to till the ground
What is iot you are afraid of? That if you let go you will sin all the more? That you are doing pretty good obeying the ten not all of them but got 8 down and going ofr the other two, just not ever aguiring it and God says to you Sister Let Go and trust Me (GOD) speaking
Sister when are you going to realise trying to obey the Ten is impossible just as putting ten apples in water and trying to hold all ten under water at the same time. As you get 8 down and you go for the other two the 8 pop right back up and you start all over again.
Sister please be born again of the Spirit of God here and Now by the operation of God via the resurrection at the cross three days aftetr the proof of the death that was to be so that we can and are under a new covenant
Hebrews 9:15-17
Love you Sister
What is the New Covenant?

Did God not say He would write His Law inside of us?

my friend i'm not afraid and i trust God in all things.

If i say that obeying the 10 is impossible i exalt myself above He that Commands this of me who gave me the Holy Spirit that is subject to the Law of God.

a servant has instructions of their Master and to be a Faithful servant must obey.

The Messiah died and was Resurrected and through this we are set free to Worship Heavenly Father in Spirit and Truth.

A willing obedient heart that loves and delights in His Commandments goes a long way my friend.

Telling the Almighty you rest every day when He set a side one day to rest in obedience to Him, is passively saying that you declare every day the Sabbath this will not please the Almighty God.
 

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Just a note on where those who live in the grace that is Jesus Christ, Yeshua, focus. Knowing we are free of the guilt of our sin, and knowing all the Word is our Savior, we endeavor to know Him as best we are given to be able.

Throughout the Word, the Commandments of Yahweh, God, are stressed as the source of good and correct behavior in the sight of our Father. Not only this, there is much wisdom to be obtained in knowing them.

As one good and prime example of just how urgent it is for the Father's children to know what is His will, in my esteem is Psalm 119. It is the longest Psalm, but it is so full of teaching on obtaining wisdom and pleasing our Savior.

I know I am free of the curse of the Law which is punishment and ultimately death, but I also know when the Father talks, His children listen. The Son spoke everything the Father gave Him to speak, and we should vie to be like Yeshua.

No one is focusing on good and evil as pertaining to one's behavior, we who believe the Father focus on His desire, on His will.

The next time you repeat the prayer given us by our Savior, please understand what our Father's will is before simply repeating "thy will be done" rote. It is simple and profound at one time, amen.
 

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According to the Bible commentators the laws that were nailed to the cross were the Jewish ceremonial laws. These ceremonial laws along with those who created them were defeated at the cross. The Ten Commandments which are of God still remain, they do not belong to the ceremonial law as explained in scripture below.


Col 2:14 Because we broke God's laws, we owed a debt--a debt that listed all the rules we failed to follow. But God forgave us of that debt. He took it away and nailed it to the cross.

Col 2:15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Col 2:16 So don't let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days).

Col 2:17 In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ.

Col 2:18 Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don't listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don't do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas.

Col 2:19 They don't keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow.

Col 2:20 You died with Christ and were made free from the powers that influence this world. So why do you act as if you still belong to the world? I mean, why do you follow rules like these:

Col 2:21 "Don't eat this," "Don't taste that," "Don't touch that"?

Col 2:22 These rules are talking about earthly things that are gone after they are used. They are only human commands and teachings.

Col 2:23 These rules may seem to be wise as part of a made-up religion in which people pretend to be humble and punish their bodies. But they don't help people stop doing the evil that the sinful self wants to do.
 

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It is a very sad state of faith for those who believe to go to commentators over the Word itself.

It is the curse of the law that was nailed to the cross with Yeshua, Jesus. The curse of the law is guilt, punishment and death.

Being learned of the Lord, Yeshua, I know that all the Law is completed in the two great laws of Love, that is, in obeying them. The laws included in these two great laws are all which clarify good and righteous conduct in the sight of our Father.

Those ceremonial and ritualistic laws deal with the promised land to the Jews and living in Israel. It is alarming how many who claim to know Yeshua, Jesus, do not know the differnce while claiming to understand.

Believe Jesus, learn about Him, worship Him and obey Him. If you would be like our Lord while in this age, you would do as He did while in the flesh; He did the Father's will.

According to the Bible commentators the laws that were nailed to the cross were the Jewish ceremonial laws. These ceremonial laws along with those who created them were defeated at the cross. The Ten Commandments which are of God still remain, they do not belong to the ceremonial law as explained in scripture below.


Col 2:14 Because we broke God's laws, we owed a debt--a debt that listed all the rules we failed to follow. But God forgave us of that debt. He took it away and nailed it to the cross.

Col 2:15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Col 2:16 So don't let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about Jewish customs (festivals, New Moon celebrations, or Sabbath days).

Col 2:17 In the past these things were like a shadow that showed what was coming. But the new things that were coming are found in Christ.

Col 2:18 Some people enjoy acting as if they are humble and love to worship angels. They always talk about the visions they have seen. Don't listen to them when they say you are wrong because you don't do these things. It is so foolish for them to feel such pride, because it is all based on their own human ideas.

Col 2:19 They don't keep themselves under the control of the head. Christ is the head, and the whole body depends on him. Because of Christ all the parts of the body care for each other and help each other. So the body is made stronger and held together as God causes it to grow.

Col 2:20 You died with Christ and were made free from the powers that influence this world. So why do you act as if you still belong to the world? I mean, why do you follow rules like these:

Col 2:21 "Don't eat this," "Don't taste that," "Don't touch that"?

Col 2:22 These rules are talking about earthly things that are gone after they are used. They are only human commands and teachings.

Col 2:23 These rules may seem to be wise as part of a made-up religion in which people pretend to be humble and punish their bodies. But they don't help people stop doing the evil that the sinful self wants to do.
 

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It is a very sad state of faith for those who believe to go to commentators over the Word itself.

It is the curse of the law that was nailed to the cross with Yeshua, Jesus. The curse of the law is guilt, punishment and death.

Being learned of the Lord, Yeshua, I know that all the Law is completed in the two great laws of Love, that is, in obeying them. The laws included in these two great laws are all which clarify good and righteous conduct in the sight of our Father.

Those ceremonial and ritualistic laws deal with the promised land to the Jews and living in Israel. It is alarming how many who claim to know Yeshua, Jesus, do not know the differnce while claiming to understand.

Believe Jesus, learn about Him, worship Him and obey Him. If you would be like our Lord while in this age, you would do as He did while in the flesh; He did the Father's will.
Red. This is one reason why these ceremonial laws do not apply to us, not forgetting they are only human commands and teachings. (Col 2:22) From Scripture.

I am not so proud as to think I cannot learn. Scripture is paramount and it was scripture that was quoted.
 

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Then read what you have just posted. It supports that what man dictates has nothing to do with our Father's will.

Do not confuse the commandments of our Father and Yeshua with the dictates of man. So many do this today, and it, again, is a very sad state of affairs.
Red. This is one reason why these ceremonial laws do not apply to us, not forgetting they are only human commands and teachings. (Col 2:22) From Scripture.

I am not so proud as to think I cannot learn. Scripture is paramount and it was scripture that was quoted.
 

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Then read what you have just posted. It supports that what man dictates has nothing to do with our Father's will.

Do not confuse the commandments of our Father and Yeshua with the dictates of man. So many do this today, and it, again, is a very sad state of affairs.
I am well familiar with the man-made laws concocted by the Levitical Priesthood after their return from the Babylonian exile thank you.

These are the man-made traditions, or as you call it "the dictates of man" the 613 Mitzvot laws which are nailed to the Cross!
 
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Then why are so many today teaching against the Ten Commandments?

They are teaching in effect, Thou may kill, thou may dishonor your parents, thou may have another god before you......etc. because they say they will not be guilty if they do it.

Now are they teaching this, or are they following the Ten Commandments as inscribed on the tables of flesh, that is to say on their hearts.

If it is the latter then I believe they should wake up and teach to obey the Ten Commandments to all, just in case they do not have them inscribed on their hearts..........God bless all in Jesus Christ, Yeshua, those who listen, believe and obey Him, amen.

I am well familier with the man-made laws concocted by the Levitical Priesthood after their return from the Babylonian exile thank you.

These are the man-made traditions that were nailed to the Cross!
 

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Then why are so many today teaching against the Ten Commandments?

They are teaching in effect, Thou may kill, thou may dishonor your parents, thou may have another god before you......etc. because they say they will not be guilty if they do it.

Now are they teaching this, or are they following the Ten Commandments as inscribed on the tables of flesh, that is to say on their hearts.

If it is the latter then I believe they should wake up and teach to obey the Ten Commandments to all, just in case they do not have them inscribed on their hearts..........God bless all in Jesus Christ, Yeshua, those who listen, believe and obey Him, amen.
If that is what they are saying then they are guilty of false teaching, the Ten Commandments are there for all time and Yeshua added to them and strengthened them, basing them on love for others. They can be found mainly in the Sermon on the Mount as you will know. :)
 
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Jesus didn't come to abolish the law brought by moses, but to fulfill it. what ever churches are teaching contrary is not teaching accurately true.
 

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On a point of information the words "fulfil the law" are often misunderstood.

"When Jesus said He came not to destroy the Law or the prophets but to fulfil he was using a familiar phrase that was easily understood in Biblical days. During rabbinical discussions when a rabbi felt that another colleague was wrong he would say "You are destroying the law" but other rabbi's who felt he was correctly interpreting Scripture would say he was "fulfilling the Law" i.e. he was correct and of course Jesus was always correct in his teaching so therefore he fulfilled the law."

Source Understanding the Difficult Words of Jesus (Yahshua) by Bivin and Blizzard.