are there any universalists here?????

[garee]

The reality and torment of eternal damnation will be beyond human comprehension, thus the many warnings in Scripture and from Christ are solemn. This torment will be eternal in its scope. Simple annihilation is not only a lie, but is nothing to fear whatsoever. But cults such as Christadelphianism, Universalism, the Watch Tower Society &c have hoodwinked many via their false teachings.

It would have to be beyond human comprehension. The dead know nothing (no memory), as soon as they die the temporal spirit returns to the father. We must mix faith the unseen eternal in what we do see or hear.

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen "are temporal"; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2Co 4:18

Their really dead bodies return to the dust from where they came from. Without the spirit of life no work to include suffering can be performed.

This torment will be eternal in its scope. Simple annihilation is not only a lie, but is nothing to fear whatsoever. But cults such as Christadelphianism, Universalism, the Watch Tower Society &c have hoodwinked many via their false teachings.

Yes eternal, never to be raised to new spirit life forever more.

In regard to fear. We can love Him because (cause and effect) he first loved us by giving us a new spirit that will never die
It’s having the right kind of fear in respect to Mercy. We seek his forgiveness because he first loved us as new creation.

If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand? But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared. Psa 130:3True Mercy is lost if a God would cause those who are not freely given a new spirit, new heart the work of a eternal suffering as to those He did not have Mercy on. As many as the father has given to the Son are drawn by the father.... they will not be cast out. They have no fear of losing their salvation knowing who do go to for mercy when they do sin. He forgives all of our enquities or he forgives none

 

[garee]

I guess only one....

It should be easy to show others how a body made from the dust without the spirit essence of life can do the work of faith in respect to suffering.

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

 

[Katy-follower]

The reality and torment of eternal damnation will be beyond human comprehension, thus the many warnings in Scripture and from Christ are solemn. This torment will be eternal in its scope. Simple annihilation is not only a lie, but is nothing to fear whatsoever. But cults such as Christadelphianism, Universalism, the Watch Tower Society &c have hoodwinked many via their false teachings.

I once heard someone say that they don't believe in eternal torment because God is love. It's sad that they downplay the consequence of sin and have a completely alien view of the nature of hell and justice of God.

Matthew 25:46: "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (believers in Heaven forever, just as non believers in hell forever)

 

[Katy-follower]

Hell is the grave, improperly translated from four words in the original languages, which I have already explained at length, a placeholder for the dead until the day of judgement. The dead know nothing.

I've always seen it this way visually...

Hades is like jail... a temporary holding place for the guilty until the day when they face the judge for their sentencing (judgment day, Great white throne- only non believers face this/they're already doomed). Obviously Hades will be a lot worse than jail, cannot comprehend.

The dead do know. I say this because the rich man did not even question why he was in hell (no confusion on his part), he seemed to be fully aware of why he was there and wanted to warn his family so they would not end up in that place also. So the dead do know.

Also, death and hell are eventually destroyed also, being thrown into the lake of fire.

Just as Matthew 25:46 says, believers will be in Heaven forever, just as non believers will be in hell (lake of fire) forever. Both are eternal.

 

[slave]

where in Scripture are we told about anyone suffering eternal torment? If you do not fear temporal punishment followed by the final punishment of destruction there are many that do.

The ironic thing is Jesus wants us to experience His love in a Fatherly relationship of adoption into His family so He needs us to believe in Him in order to give us life eternal, despite Him doing it before we were born; yet, Jesus doesn't need us to believe in Hell to enable it a factual truth and our effectual end if we do not believe in Him on a Cross, unto Redemption. He need never be filtered by mans opinion, but if we ignore His truth, which is what He is = Truth, we are risking more than ignorance aren't we, according to His Word:

{2 Thess. 1:9; Matt.25:41; 2 Peter 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9; Rev. 20:10; Jude 1:7; Jude 1:6; John 8:44; 1 John 3:8; Rev. 12:9; Rev. 20:15; Rev. 14:11; Isaiah 14:12-15; Rev. 20:13; Mark 9:48; Rev. 19:20; 1 Peter 5:8; 2 Cor. 4:4; Mark 9:43-48; Rev. 20:1-15; 1 John 3:10; Matt. 10:28; Rev. 21:8; Rev. 1:18; 2 Cor. 11:14; Luke 3:17; Ezek. 28:12-18; Rev. 20:13-15; John 3:18; John 3:16-17; Daniel 12:2; James 4:7; Mark 9:47; Matt. 13:30, and many more...}.....Whether we neglect or reject God's gift thru faith is a matter of our will. What happens in all of the control of existence is totally up to God's discretion, are we paying attention to His Spirit? Or are we paying attention to anything else?

 

[valiant]

I once heard someone say that they don't believe in eternal torment because God is love. It's sad that they downplay the consequence of sin and have a completely alien view of the nature of hell and justice of God.

Matthew 25:46: "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (believers in Heaven forever, just as non believers in hell forever)

But this says eternal punishment, No mention of eternal torment. They go into eternal death rather than eternal life.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

where in Scripture are we told about anyone suffering eternal torment? If you do not fear temporal punishment followed by the final punishment of destruction there are many that do

The ironic thing is Jesus wants us to experience His love in a Fatherly relationship of adoption into His family so He needs us to believe in Him in order to give us life eternal, despite Him doing it before we were born; yet, Jesus doesn't need us to believe in Hell to enable it a factual truth and our effectual end if we do not believe in Him on a Cross, unto Redemption. He need never be filtered by mans opinion, but if we ignore His truth, which is what He is = Truth, we are risking more than ignorance aren't we, according to His Word:

{2 Thess. 1:9; Matt.25:41; 2 Peter 2:4; 2 Peter 3:9; Rev. 20:10; Jude 1:7; Jude 1:6; John 8:44; 1 John 3:8; Rev. 12:9; Rev. 20:15; Rev. 14:11; Isaiah 14:12-15; Rev. 20:13; Mark 9:48; Rev. 19:20; 1 Peter 5:8; 2 Cor. 4:4; Mark 9:43-48; Rev. 20:1-15; 1 John 3:10; Matt. 10:28; Rev. 21:8; Rev. 1:18; 2 Cor. 11:14; Luke 3:17; Ezek. 28:12-18; Rev. 20:13-15; John 3:18; John 3:16-17; Daniel 12:2; James 4:7; Mark 9:47; Matt. 13:30, and many more...}.....Whether we neglect or reject God's gift thru faith is a matter of our will. What happens in all of the control of existence is totally up to God's discretion, are we paying attention to His Spirit? Or are we paying attention to anything else?

so where is the mention of eternal torment?

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by preacher4truth

The reality and torment of eternal damnation will be beyond human comprehension, thus the many warnings in Scripture and from Christ are solemn. This torment will be eternal in its scope. Simple annihilation is not only a lie, but is nothing to fear whatsoever

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well that's simple. All we want is Scripture which mentions this eternal torment?

 

[Stephen63]

But this says eternal punishment, No mention of eternal torment. They go into eternal death rather than eternal life.

The Greek word means both.

 

[preacher4truth]

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well that's simple. All we want is Scripture which mentions this eternal torment?

It is simple. Revelation 14:10ff. But I loathe to give you Scripture only to watch you wrest it.