are there any universalists here?????

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relax guys...... i didnt want this to become a thread of fighting, i was just asking for opinions and now we have people doubting each other's salvation and attacks....... close the thread.
We're not as stupid as you seem to think we are. Asking for opinions means listening to them. All you did was argue with them. But that is your game, is it not?

I'll be honest with you, (as if I haven't been yet?) Base was banned under the concept that nonbelievers shouldn't be on this site. Is that part of TOS? No idea, and it doesn't really matter. I don't think he should have been banned, but we don't really get a say on who is or who isn't. I don't think he should have been banned for nonbelief. This should be a place where nonbelief becomes belief. But then again, this should also be a place where heresy isn't taught as truth, so that's probably why he was banned. (It's a conundrum.)

Why am I talking about Base to you? Because you're in the same boat Base is -- a nonbeliever teaching heresy. I've come to the conclusion you absolutely know what your doing, and this is but a game to you. I also suspect this isn't your first rodeo on this site.

How's this for a deal? Stop thinking we're stupid enough to fall for your game. Well, okay, we did fall for your game, but how about being who you really are instead of putting on this mask you've decided works for this game, and be you instead?

Wouldn't it be nice to be accepted as who you are instead of hiding behind a false persona? Granted, we won't accept your beliefs, (and 50/50 on whether you even believe your beliefs), but I think behind that mask you're using now is a real person who fears no one will like who he/she really is. You might be right. People might not like the real you. Then again, you'll never find out if we will or won't as long as you hide behind this cute-and-harmless-face mask. Especially, now that we clearly see you aren't as cute or harmless as you pretend you are.

Bring out the real person behind this persona. Then at least we don't have to waste our time playing games with you, AND you don't have to waste YOUR time playing the games.

Somewhere behind cute-and-harmless-face (and the mask has already cracked so badly, it's barely staying on), might well be someone worth knowing. I'd like to find out.

In exchange, I will let you in on a little secret about me, (and not much of a secret, since most people already know this.) I am a Calvinist. I don't think Calvinism saves, so you can't really yank my chain on "You, Calvinist, you" BS.
 

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So, tell me... who is the head of the Anglican church?

Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is the head of the Anglican Church, and has been since her ascension to the throne, in 1952. That is 65 years! She is also the longest reigning monarch in British history, and the longest reigning monarch in the world right now.

She takes her faith very seriously! I am grateful for a Queen who believes in Jesus Christ, and that her actions are guided by her faith. Long live the Queen!
 

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Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II is the head of the Anglican Church, and has been since her ascension to the throne, in 1952. That is 65 years! She is also the longest reigning monarch in British history, and the longest reigning monarch in the world right now.

She takes her faith very seriously! I am grateful for a Queen who believes in Jesus Christ, and that her actions are guided by her faith. Long live the Queen!
It does not seem protestant to me :) Bible nowhere says that king/queen is any kind of leadership in the church.
 

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The revelation given thru Jesus Christ is that the human race has been redeemed. "It is Finished!"...and in the Cross of Jesus Christ all men are availed to salvation. That is very different from what is called Universalism. The redemption is of universal application, but human responsibility is not done away with. Universalism looks like a Christian flower, but it has not its roots in the Christian faith.

Jesus Christ is most emphatic on the fact that there are possibilities of eternal damnation for the man who positively neglects or positively rejects His redemption. But we all have talked this to death, I hope, by now ......So I'll just say: "Have a wonderful day!" :cool:...
 
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The reality and torment of eternal damnation will be beyond human comprehension, thus the many warnings in Scripture and from Christ are solemn. This torment will be eternal in its scope. Simple annihilation is not only a lie, but is nothing to fear whatsoever. But cults such as Christadelphianism, Universalism, the Watch Tower Society &c have hoodwinked many via their false teachings.
 
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I don't think Muzungu is a fake, universal salvation is a worthy discussion point - it may be deemed "heresy" by the orthopedics but those believing it are around.

Tentmaker.org (which Muzungu mentioned) is a site dedicate to universal salvation and they have a discussion forum.

Christian Universalism, not UUA, universalist apologetics, victorious gospel, Hell's defeat, ultimate reconciliation

forum:

https://tentmaker.org/forum/
The fake wasn't determined by the question asked. It was determined by pretending to wonder what everyone else thought, but really all about demanding everyone else believe it. (And he/she isn't really interested in demanding everyone else believe it. This is about inflaming. To try to get everyone else fighting over everything just for the joy of it.) And it was determined by the cute-and-harmless act at the beginning that turns into outrage somewhere along the way.

By very definition of the word, (second meaning), Muz is a troll.

What I'm asking is if he/she would be kind enough to give up the mask. Then we can discuss universalism sincerely as people, rather than play this game.
 

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He doesn't come off as a troll to me - he's brought up some universalist thought in his posts - generally the response has been negative, that's probably why he's backed off on the thread.
 

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The reality and torment of eternal damnation will be beyond human comprehension, thus the many warnings in Scripture and from Christ are solemn. This torment will be eternal in its scope. Simple annihilation is not only a lie, but is nothing to fear whatsoever. But cults such as Christadelphianism, Universalism, the Watch Tower Society &c have hoodwinked many via their false teachings.
where in Scripture are we told about anyone suffering eternal torment? If you do not fear temporal punishment followed by the final punishment of destruction there are many that do.
 

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she is its titular head not its leader
So the English ruler never decided any theological issue and had no influence on the teaching of the Anglican Church?
 
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where in Scripture are we told about anyone suffering eternal torment?
The testimony of Scripture is clear.

If you do not fear temporal punishment followed by the final punishment of destruction there are many that do.
I know of no one who fears this, they're more like "Oh well, big deal" and "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die".

Sir, please study more. Type less. You're off track sir.
 
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where in Scripture are we told about anyone suffering eternal torment? If you do not fear temporal punishment followed by the final punishment of destruction there are many that do.
Scripture has been posted repeatedly and you are rejecting the testimony of Scripture. I want to call you to repent and believe in the gospel, including the nature of hell.
 
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The testimony of Scripture is clear.



I know of no one who fears this, they're more like "Oh well, big deal" and "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die".

Sir, please study more. Type less. You're off track sir.
How many people here believe in this?
 
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Who remembers Laodocia? He was one of those promoting this idea years ago, as well as the KJVO controversy. He seems to have disappeared.
 
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People that believe in temporal punishment and "annihilation" minus well believe in the false doctrine of purgatory.
 

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Originally Posted by valiant
where in Scripture are we told about anyone suffering eternal torment?
The testimony of Scripture is clear.
In other words you have none :)



I know of no one who fears this, they're more like "Oh well, big deal" and "Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die".
well I do :)

Sir, please study more. Type less. You're off track sir.
prove it.
 
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Amen. The dead know nothing is explicitly taught in Scripture, yet it is again and again rejected by those who promote eternal conscious torment in the second death. Scriptures rule out any such theory as to any part of man continuing in consciousness after death.

I would agree in order to work out a conscience suffering; I would think a person must have the spirit essence of life. A body of flesh and blood (dust) that has no spirit therefore has no power. Sort of like batteries not included. The dead cannot do the work of suffering without the essence of life. It takes life to believe anything. Those who do not have the Spirit of Christ, the eternal spirit of life will not arise to new incorruptible life, a living faith is necessary


Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.