Are there commandments under grace?

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eternally-gratefull

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i think the issue is this

The law says, "do not covet"

Now can we try to put down every circumstance known to man and GOD which would be considered coveting?

I think if we even tried, we could come up with a huge list, and even that would most likely far way short of showing us every action that could be considered by God to be coveting.

So we see the flaw in the law. It says do not covet, but it does not say how.

Jesus gave us the answer, If you love your neighbor (which includes your enemy) you would never covet against them, because true love (gods love) can only thank God for blessing them.

When I fall back into the sin of coveting, is when I stop loving (as God loved) and start to think of self (carnal).. which is temptation, and if I let that temptation continue and do not put my eyes back on God and bless them, I will most likely fall to that temptation, and covet.
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
Were the ten commandments under grace or were they under law?
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I would say both(though not a literal fourth) The difference is, no condemnation under grace for penalty of sin has been paid for:

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Again, you have it the wrong way, you too focused on self effort.

the more you look to God, the LESS effort you put in to resisting temptation. You have to much you in the equation, You can not do anything by yourself. you need Gods power.

If we put ourselves in step wiht the spirit. we will fulfill lust of the flesh. No where does it say if we try really really hard to obey God, then we will resist temptation.

Thats going back to law. And the jews tried it and failed. so has everyone else who ever tried it, that is what paul was saying in romans 7 and 8..
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God's help is where prayer comes in.
And the more you look to God the more willing you become to put a little effort into doing sinful things less.

It won't hurt you to try to sin less....you'll be ok.:rolleyes:
 
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Babylonisfalling

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eternally-gratefull said:

Again, you have this backwards, It is our desire to do Gods will, and seek out his guidance and his way, that causes us to sin less. Not our ability or feeble attempts to sin less.
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Yes and sinning less sometimes involves a little effort...it won't hurt you to make that effort.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Babylonisfalling said:
Yes and sinning less sometimes involves a little effort...it won't hurt you to make that effort.
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No, It takes no effort at all..

1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

If your using effort to be good. Then I wonder if your even saved,
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Babylonisfalling said:
God's help is where prayer comes in.
And the more you look to God the more willing you become to put a little effort into doing sinful things less.

It won't hurt you to try to sin less....you'll be ok.:rolleyes:
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If I try to sin less, I will sin more.

I would rather focus on Gods will and follow his spirit. then I do nt have to worry about sinning less. it will be second nature.. No problem at all.

But hey, if you want to try in the flesh to sin less. Good luck..
 
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james57 said:
Now why are you disagreeing with me, my beliefs are rooted in scripture.
Its quite simple, when you are looking to Christ and trusting him it is impossible at the same time to commit wilfull sin. you have to look away from Christ and to the flesh to commit wilfull sin. That is if you like where the effort comes in. But we rely on the holy spirit and put no confidence in the fleshphil3:3)

We all fail each and everyone of us for none are perfect. We all fail to keep looking to Christ rather than the flesh at times. However in order to grow you do NOT look to the written code and strive to obey it, you look to Christ and trust him to lead you in the power of the holy spirit.
Now why do you want to find fault with that?
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Christ says (in Scripture) to keep the commandments.
It sounds really cool to keep saying "look to Christ" but that includes listening to him also.
You'll be ok if you put effort into sinning less....really, it won't hurt you.

And if you take disagreement that personally, you're in the wrong place...relax.:)
 
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Babylonisfalling said:
Christ says (in Scripture) to keep the commandments.
It sounds really cool to keep saying "look to Christ" but that includes listening to him also.
You'll be ok if you put effort into sinning less....really, it won't hurt you.

And if you take disagreement that personally, you're in the wrong place...relax.:)
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I'm quite relaxed.

So for you, sinning less/being sanctified comes down to human effort?

I thought sanctification was by the holy Spirit
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If I try to sin less, I will sin more.

I would rather focus on Gods will and follow his spirit. then I do nt have to worry about sinning less. it will be second nature.. No problem at all.

But hey, if you want to try in the flesh to sin less. Good luck..
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No...we're all capable of improvement.
And I know about Pauls passage about trying not to sin and failing.
It's still possible to sin less...just pray when temptation comes. Even that may not work all the time or even most of the time. But if it works even once....you have improvement.
 
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Babylonisfalling said:
Christ says (in Scripture) to keep the commandments.
It sounds really cool to keep saying "look to Christ" but that includes listening to him also.
You'll be ok if you put effort into sinning less....really, it won't hurt you.

And if you take disagreement that personally, you're in the wrong place...relax.:)
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The thing is.
There was a chap called Paul who told us we die to the law that bound us and follow after the Spirit, not the written code.
What do you think he meant?
 
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as a chosen child of our Heavenly Father, my whole reason for being is to please Him,
and I can only do this by knowing what pleases Him, and I have discovered and been
shown that my respectful obedience and total submission are definitely required and
top priority...not to mention loving and living in peace with my fellow man....

of course my desire springs from the great Love for my Saviour that has been born
within me when I realized the magnitude of His precious sacrifice and experienced
the miracle of conversion...

how we are convicted to serve Him is so intimate and precious, and something that
will up-hold us in any trial or tribulation that comes our way...and there will be many...

my husband and I try to concentrate on the many things that we share in common
with our brothers and sisters instead of what we don't, it makes our lives so much more
peaceful and satisfying and meaningful...
 
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Babylonisfalling

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james57 said:
I'm quite relaxed.

So for you, sinning less/being sanctified comes down to human effort?

I thought sanctification was by the holy Spirit
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Good...and don't take it so personally when people disagree with you. Disagreement is to be expected on msg boards. :)
And this is a case of you inserting human effort into sanctification, and then trying to project it onto me.
I spoke of reaching the goal through grace.
Making a little effort to sin less doesn't cancel grace.
If you think it does, then again, it's you making that mistake.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Babylonisfalling said:
No...we're all capable of improvement.
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No we are just capable of sin. God must change us, we can not change one thing. Unless, we are carnal and look at it from mans perspective, then maybe I can agree with you, but what good is that? I seek Gods perspective, not mans.

And I know about Pauls passage about trying not to sin and failing.
It's still possible to sin less...just pray when temptation comes. Even that may not work all the time or even most of the time. But if it works even once....you have improvement.
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Oh, I don't even worry about it, Like I said, Paul told us how to sin less, Look to the spirit..not to the flesh (self)

so why are you still looking at your own power? Thats the wrong way to do it. You will fail. or lie to yourself that your doing ok. those are your only two options.
 
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Babylonisfalling said:
Good...and don't take it so personally when people disagree with you. Disagreement is to be expected on msg boards. :)
And this is a case of you inserting human effort into sanctification, and then trying to project it onto me.
I spoke of reaching the goal through grace.
Making a little effort to sin less doesn't cancel grace.
If you think it does, then again, it's you making that mistake.
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Lol, I am not taking it personally at all. I wish you wouldn't get upset because I speak of sanctification by the spirit. Relax a wee bit

Paul told the Galatians after starting with the spirit were they then going to try and attain their goal by human effort? Gal3:3

Seems to me it is by the spirit OR by human effort. I know which I believe would bring better results

I think you will find less sinning is sanctification
 
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A Christian would never have to read any of the 10 commandments to live the Christian life. He could have lived and never have even heard there was such a thing as the 10 commandments.

The life of Christ on inside of their new creation in Christ would walk in love and fulfill all the commandments. I don't even know what they are and frankly could care less. The law was made for the unrighteous not the righteous in Christ. He fulfilled all the law for me! I know the law is good and righteous but I don't live by them.

The law of love and the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live today!

I don't know why we are so pre-occupied with all this aw stuff.. We are not under it nor have anything to do with it.

2 Peter 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

just sayin'...:rolleyes:
 
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Grace777x70 said:
A Christian would never have to read any of the 10 commandments to live the Christian life. He could have lived and never have even heard there was such a thing as the 10 commandments.

True
The life of Christ on inside of their new creation in Christ would walk in love and fulfill all the commandments.

As long as they are following after the Holy Spirit, also true

 I don't even know what they are and frankly could care less. The law was made for the unrighteous not the righteous in Christ. He fulfilled all the law for me! I know the law is good and righteous but I don't live by them.

They are reflected in your life if you follow after the spirit

The law of love and the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus is how we live today!

We are to follow after the holy Spirit. Love fulfils the law as it did under the old covenant

I don't know why we are so pre-occupied with all this aw stuff.. We are not under it nor have anything to do with it.

FALSE

2 Peter 3:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

just sayin'...:rolleyes:
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Titus 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
 
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Grace777x70 said:
Titus 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
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Well that's great as long as you don't start discussing them in the first place!
 
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Perhaps a question is the best answer.

Is grace leave to deliberately disobey our Father? You know; I am certain you do.
 
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