Are women allowed to Preach?

[Ralph-]

There... fixed it for you.

If you've been paying attention I made the point that rebellion in ANYBODY is a bad thing.

It isn't just women who have to chaff under the unpleasant counsel of God to submit to the order of authority in and out of the church and home he himself has ordained.

Women, you are not exempt from this hard teaching.

 

[Dino246]

The Bible perhaps? Is that really such a stretch?

The Bible decides for us that woman are not to be pastors teaching and having authority over a man.

Why is this so hard for you people except that you are unwilling to accept the hard teachings of the Bible. It's just like all the other hard teachings in the Bible, they chaff against the flesh, but that hardly means we can dismiss them and rationalize them away because they do that.

Because "we people" don't see anywhere in the Scripture that women are not to be pastors, or preachers, or any other loose synonym that you want to inject into the text.

Because "we people" don't accept your authority to corrupt and misinterpret the word of God. "We people" prefer to go to directly to Scripture and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit to interpret it.

In return, why do "you people" keep using terms that Scripture does not use? Stick with the words of Scripture, not your misinterpretations.

 

[wolfwint]

Yeah... according to Paul a donkey can give a message from God but a woman can't

What I do not understand from you and others. Why you make no difference between a churchassembly and a normal christian life situation?
So far I know we are talking about what the Bible said about the Assembly of believers in a Church. Where are people preaching out of an Assembly of believers? I dont know a situation where it is preached out of an assembly of believers. The order from the Bible not to preach for Woman, ore have Authority over man, are given for the assembly.

 

[Dino246]

Which is exactly why women should not be in the pastorate. That is rebellion. Their self proclaimed authority in the church is phony.

God does not give that authority to women as a matter of his ordained order of authority in creation.

So when is your church installing a fern as pastor, because it is above men in the order of authority in creation?

 

[Ralph-]

Because "we people" don't see anywhere in the Scripture that women are not to be pastors, or preachers, or any other loose synonym that you want to inject into the text.

Because "we people" don't accept your authority to corrupt and misinterpret the word of God. "We people" prefer to go to directly to Scripture and seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit to interpret it.

In return, why do "you people" keep using terms that Scripture does not use? Stick with the words of Scripture, not your misinterpretations.

Pure unadulterated rebellion. The counsel of scripture is so crystal clear and beyond your convenient interpretations that we have no choice but to conclude you are in complete and utter rebellion against God's word. But that is the predominant feature of on-line forums.

Not easy to live with, but that's just the way it is. Forums are incredibly toxic places to be. It's the devil's playground for nibbling away the faith of the faithful.

 

[Ralph-]

So when is your church installing a fern as pastor, because it is above men in the order of authority in creation?

Anything to make the word of God not really mean what it so plainly says, right?

Pure toxicity.


I guess you don't realize that by your own argument we should install a fern as pastor in the church. They have rights too, you know.

 

[Dino246]

Pure unadulterated rebellion. The counsel of scripture is so crystal clear and beyond your convenient interpretations that we have no choice but to conclude you are in complete and utter rebellion against God's word. But that is the predominant feature of on-line forums.

Not easy to live with, but that's just the way it is. Forums are incredibly toxic places to be. It's the devil's playground for nibbling away the faith of the faithful.

So it's "rebellion" to say "speak" instead of "preach" where the Scripture says "speak"? It's rebellion to say "teach" instead of "preach" where the Scripture says "teach"?

I take your ridiculous criticism whence it comes, and toss it where it belongs.

 

[Dino246]

Anything to make the word of God not really mean what it so plainly says, right?

Pure toxicity.

I guess you don't realize that by your own argument we should install a fern as pastor in the church. They have rights too, you know.

Dude... go and look up "sarcasm".

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I think it would be edifying to consider what Paul meant by teach in 1 Timothy 2. Women could obviously prophesy, which edified the brethren. Preach means to proclaim Christ, which is the spirit of prophecy. Obviously he wasn't turning over teaching to women in his churches (we don't know what was done in other churches founded by the 12 apostles), so what did he mean by that?

 

[Ralph-]

So it's "rebellion" to say "speak" instead of "preach" where the Scripture says "speak"? It's rebellion to say "teach" instead of "preach" where the Scripture says "teach"?

I take your ridiculous criticism whence it comes, and toss it where it belongs.

The thing I've noticed about men who defend woman pastors is they have a, let's say, 'strong willed woman' somewhere in their life. Who is that woman in your life?

 

[Ralph-]

I think it would be edifying to consider what Paul meant by teach in 1 Timothy 2. Women could obviously prophesy, which edified the brethren. Preach means to proclaim Christ, which is the spirit of prophecy. Obviously he wasn't turning over teaching to women in his churches (we don't know what was done in other churches founded by the 12 apostles), so what did he mean by that?

So, the order of authority ordained in creation itself does not apply to other churches, just Paul's?

Why is the reason Paul gives for a woman not being in authority over a man in the church only applicable to some churches if that reason is universally true and applicable to all of mankind?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I guess you don't realize that by your own argument we should install a fern as pastor in the church. They have rights too, you know.

I think a fern is a great idea. Then everyone could be a congregation and let the spirit move and glorify GOD and be edified instead of letting someone monopolize all of the time doing his prepared blah blah.

 

[Lighthearted]

Time to get out the wooden clubs, throw on the bear skins, drag your knuckles on the ground, and grunt...

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So, the order of authority ordained in creation itself does not apply to other churches, just Paul's?

Why is the reason Paul gives for a woman not being in authority over a man in the church only applicable to some churches if that reason is universally true and applicable to all of mankind?

It's the order of authority between a man and his wife. Paul could have been saying wife in 1 Timothy 2:12 instead of woman. That is the context of the ensuing verses.

 

[AuntieAnt]

Justified by faith...

 

[Ralph-]

Dude... go and look up "sarcasm".

Sarcasm or not, you were using man being in subjection to the creation (because of the fall) to diss Paul's argument that men are not to be in subjection to a woman in the church. Well, man is not to be in submission to a fern either.

 

[miknik5]

Go tell His disciples....
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The woman at the well?
She was sort of the first evangelizer:

Come and see a man who told me everything I ever did.

The men of that town listened to her and what did they say afterwards?

its there in John 4 for anyone who is interested

 

[miknik5]

And the whole point was that the GOSPEL would not be prevented. In fact JESUS words in John 5 tell us that HE wanted more to go out in the fields and preach.

Are we supposed to inspect the field hands and decide who can or can not work?

 

[AuntieAnt]

SONS of GOD...

 

[Dino246]

The thing I've noticed about men who defend woman pastors is they have a, let's say, 'strong willed woman' somewhere in their life. Who is that woman in your life?

Hey, let's generalize and find a reason to dismiss the arguments without considering them on their own merit!

Wow, you are so off-base with this tripe, you're playing in a different county.