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Yes much caous and confusion like never before or ever again
If I could share an interesting commentary regarding the atmosphere at the time of reformation, that elevated a woman to the equal status of her husband a blessing at that time for both the men and the women, lifting the burdens of the religious men, freeing them as a couple.
To beg a phrase from Star Trek … Boldly to go to places not traveled before. The true women’s liberation movement, from the reformed cavemen theology (LOL) that temporal time period used as a parable had come to a end. The time of reformation had come taking away the court of the woman.
The church is restored to another time period.
The anger of the religious sects at that time were outraged and they sought to kill the Son of man.
It is called the "Jerusalem Temple" beginnig with a verse to be used to set up the context…………………@ bible-history.com
Today woman a men alke are used a kingdom of priests as Ambassodors we together have the honor of being part of the ceremonies to remind them the reformation has come, together with the headship ceremony that uses hair as a representative glory both drinking of the symbols bread and the blood of grapes, anticipating By faith anticipating the wedding supper in the new heavens and earth to consummate our new incorruptible bodies as His bride the church
New slogan for our sisters in Christ. "The time of refomantion has come .Come out of the caves boys.Real men Love Jesus" (LOL)
If I could share an interesting commentary regarding the atmosphere at the time of reformation, that elevated a woman to the equal status of her husband a blessing at that time for both the men and the women, lifting the burdens of the religious men, freeing them as a couple.
To beg a phrase from Star Trek … Boldly to go to places not traveled before. The true women’s liberation movement, from the reformed cavemen theology (LOL) that temporal time period used as a parable had come to a end. The time of reformation had come taking away the court of the woman.
The church is restored to another time period.
The anger of the religious sects at that time were outraged and they sought to kill the Son of man.
It is called the "Jerusalem Temple" beginnig with a verse to be used to set up the context…………………@ bible-history.com
Today woman a men alke are used a kingdom of priests as Ambassodors we together have the honor of being part of the ceremonies to remind them the reformation has come, together with the headship ceremony that uses hair as a representative glory both drinking of the symbols bread and the blood of grapes, anticipating By faith anticipating the wedding supper in the new heavens and earth to consummate our new incorruptible bodies as His bride the church
New slogan for our sisters in Christ. "The time of refomantion has come .Come out of the caves boys.Real men Love Jesus" (LOL)
It is not saith lightbearer my ole' friend.
Paul wrote through the Holy Spirit. Let a woman keep learning (in) quietness (with) all subjection; but I am not allowing a woman to be teaching, nor to be excercising authority over man, but to be (in) quietness. (2Tim 2:12-14 GUV)
Now we can say and think what we want in regards to why he shared it through the Holy Spirit. But the bottom line is he through the Spirit gave the reason for what he said above.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived; but the woman who has been deceived has become (in) transgression.
Whether we Like it or not it is what is due to the world creeping into the Church. A thus saith the LORD through Paul.
However who am I to say you are within or without Miknik; Unless your fruits here dictate one way or the other?
That is between you and GOD. If our ministry is that of GOD who are we to stop it. Could we even ourselves? Ask Jonah....
Or Peter; here is his testimony, "For we are not able not to speak what we saw and heard." (Act 4:20 LITV-TSP)
Or Miriam who prophesying in answer to Moses said, "Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously"
Or Deborah the Judge and Prophetess
Paul wrote through the Holy Spirit. Let a woman keep learning (in) quietness (with) all subjection; but I am not allowing a woman to be teaching, nor to be excercising authority over man, but to be (in) quietness. (2Tim 2:12-14 GUV)
Now we can say and think what we want in regards to why he shared it through the Holy Spirit. But the bottom line is he through the Spirit gave the reason for what he said above.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived; but the woman who has been deceived has become (in) transgression.
Whether we Like it or not it is what is due to the world creeping into the Church. A thus saith the LORD through Paul.
However who am I to say you are within or without Miknik; Unless your fruits here dictate one way or the other?
That is between you and GOD. If our ministry is that of GOD who are we to stop it. Could we even ourselves? Ask Jonah....
Or Peter; here is his testimony, "For we are not able not to speak what we saw and heard." (Act 4:20 LITV-TSP)
Or Miriam who prophesying in answer to Moses said, "Sing ye to the LORD, for he hath triumphed gloriously"
Or Deborah the Judge and Prophetess
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...Only in the church from a position of pastoral authority. That is what women can not do. And by reason of the order of headship built into creation itself, not by reason of culture, not because of personal opinion, and not to control certain out of control congregations.
Make sure you understand the argument correctly.
Same goes for literal donkey's. They can not be pastors either.
Make sure you understand the argument correctly.
Same goes for literal donkey's. They can not be pastors either.
R
Whenever the order of authority and leadership gets disrupted you know something has gone wrong among the people of God.
12O My people! Their oppressors are children,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths."-Isaiah 3:12
12O My people! Their oppressors are children,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths."-Isaiah 3:12
R
One thing I've noticed. Rebellious women want to assert their autonomy until they get in trouble, then they are quick to remind you of the headship and responsibility of the man. I see it all the time in forums. Women claiming they are not under a man in one thread, then turning right around in another thread and blaming the man for Eve's failure because he's over her.
Speaking to rebellious women here, so if that's not you then I'm not talking about you.
Speaking to rebellious women here, so if that's not you then I'm not talking about you.
You're right it was the Elders who were appointed to oversee the flock through Christ the true Pastor; Shepherd of our souls. The Greek word for Pastors is only mentioned once in reference to being a Spiritual gift . The other times it is used it is reference to Jesus being our Shepard (Pastor).
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd (Pastor) of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd (Pastor): the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd (Pastor), whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. I am the good shepherd (Pastor), and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep (Pastor) I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. The God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd (Pastor) of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd (Pastor) and Bishop of your souls. Amen.
(John 14:1-16; Heb 13:20-21: 1Pe 2:24-25)
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd (Pastor) of the sheep. To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd (Pastor): the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd (Pastor), whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep. I am the good shepherd (Pastor), and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep (Pastor) I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. The God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd (Pastor) of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is well pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd (Pastor) and Bishop of your souls. Amen.
(John 14:1-16; Heb 13:20-21: 1Pe 2:24-25)
The more I read, the more I'm convinced that 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 is fraudulent. There are just too many problems with it: textually, grammatically and hermeneutically.
That passage is the only one in the bible that forbids women to speak. Without it, those who want to use it as justification for lording it over women in the church don't have a leg to stand on.
That passage is the only one in the bible that forbids women to speak. Without it, those who want to use it as justification for lording it over women in the church don't have a leg to stand on.
R
Discrimination enforced by the law in regard to the gentile's and the woman's access to God has been torn down. That's what Ephesians 2:15 is about. This in no way means the order of headship (God, Christ, man, woman) has been torn down. It means, for example, that a woman is not disqualified and prohibited from approaching God in worship because of a monthly flow while the man is not limited by that. In Christ, that distinction between men and women, enforced by the law, is nullified. Not destroyed, but simply inapplicable now because of faith in Christ bringing both men and women alike equally to God, bypassing the restriction of law.
When you understand how the law discriminated against gentiles and women, limiting their access to God in worship, you understand better what it means for there to not be 'Jew or gentile, man or woman' in the body of Christ, and how that does NOT mean women can now be in authority over the man in the home or the church.
When you understand how the law discriminated against gentiles and women, limiting their access to God in worship, you understand better what it means for there to not be 'Jew or gentile, man or woman' in the body of Christ, and how that does NOT mean women can now be in authority over the man in the home or the church.