Asking about Derek Pince

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Thank you very much all of you, I have the names you told me and also a vew videos recommended by Willie-T, I will explore those. My conclusion is that Derek Prince is good but perhaps not what I need at this moment, I might get confused. But I really like some of his ideas. Perhaps when I have grown stronger in the faith, perhaps not. Many blessings to all of you and thanks again :)
The reason I suggested that collection of hundreds of VERY short videos by a large variety of teachers is for that explicit reason. At your present point of understanding, it actually might be detrimental to concentrate on the esoteric teachings of just one or two people. Expose your mind to the teachings of a variety of people, and evaluate for yourself, the pros and cons of what you hear.
 
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well I'll go one further

I was terribly stuck on something and having an awful time because I was told over and over that all you had to do was say 'I plead the blood'. now I don't mean to knock a denom here, but those were Pentecostals and I am not Pentecostal (sure I speak in tongues and believe the gifts are all for today) but I had friends in that denom and I was pretty young.

I do not believe saying 'I plead the blood' is a fix for what ails you or a word formula that causes the devil to gasp and flee

thankfully, someone placed a copy of Prince's leaflet in my hands concerning how demons can influence a Christian and voila! I had my answer and my cure

and every word IS in scripture

In the name of Jesus.

enough said.
 

Magenta

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Hello Maria. I just saw this thread of yours now... one of the teachers
I recommend to people is Dr John Neufeld of Back to the Bible Canada.

He has audio archives available online
https://soundcloud.com/backtothebiblecanada

He is also on a radio program that plays daily, also online, on kari55.com :)
 

shittim

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never heard that about Derek Prince recanting anything, I have always found him to be on track.
Will look into it of course.
best wishes
 
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never heard that about Derek Prince recanting anything, I have always found him to be on track.
Will look into it of course.
best wishes
hey bro, like I said, it was a rumor, not fact.
 
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sevenseas

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#47
amen
and just asking for forgiveness does not release you from the consequences and
weight of your sin. Forgiveness is not always freedom, in many cases, but not all

but no :p shoot the messenger lol
no argument here

and good point!
 
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sevenseas

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I have to ask, are you sure you are talking about Derek Prince[died in 2003] or are you confusing him with Dr. Frederick Price[still alive]

We read many of his books and he did in fact claim Christians could be demonized. He mentored Frank and Ida Mae Hammond[Pigs in the parlor] and they also believed this. Prince without hesitation, claimed a Christian could be demonized

There are many stories in his books about delivering Pastors from demons, including demons of nicotine and demons of gluttony. Prince also always taught that a person had to cough up a wad of flem or black mist would need to come from their feet to confirm the deliverance was truly done. He pontificated that it took hours and hours to properly deliver someone, even from demons of nicotine and alcohol, wrath, anger, gluttony, and lust. It took Jesus and his own followers seconds, not hours.

It has not been proven and there is no evidence, but there was a rumor that about a year before he died he recanted and said his deliverance ministry was a hoax to help him live the lifestyle he did. He also stated the Holy Spirit showed him he was confusing demons for works of the flesh.

The fact that smoking is an addiction and not demonic gave us pause, but his real issue was claiming babies can be demonized in the womb of the mother.

demonized is not possessed. demonized does not mean that person is possessed and yes, Christians can most certainly be demonized for various reasons

I don't know who he mentored, but the book Pigs in the Parlor is chock full of subjective material and supposed visions

Derek Prince sticks to scripture, so if he did mentor the authors of the above book? they could not have been paying much attention

Derek Prince did not at all teach that there HAD to be a wad of anything coughed up

please. I just read his book about demons last summer and it is still pretty fresh in my mind

It has not been proven and there is no evidence, but there was a rumor that about a year before he died he recanted and said his deliverance ministry was a hoax to help him live the lifestyle he did. He also stated the Holy Spirit showed him he was confusing demons for works of the flesh.
where on earth do people get this sort of thing?

there are works of the flesh that lead to a person being demonized

this is a subject that many disagree on. people are free to disagree but rumors are just not helpful at all and knowing Prince's ministry and videos and books, I seriously doubt he recanted as he based his findings on scripture.

I hardly know what to say regarding the rumors other than that is not evidence and not to be taken seriously
 

shittim

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thanks Megiddo- just curious, we know the enemy will seek to deceive, divide and destroy.Men and women of G-d will often be
bad mouthed.
 

stonesoffire

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hey bro, like I said, it was a rumor, not fact.
I missed that. Thought you were saying this all was true. And I never heard any of it either...only have one book though.
 

stonesoffire

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thanks Megiddo- just curious, we know the enemy will seek to deceive, divide and destroy.Men and women of G-d will often be
bad mouthed.
A very huge AMEN here...
 
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really?

Derek Prince does not teach that Christians can be possessed

this statement is not at all true

several people have volunteered up the information that he is worthwhile to listen to
You might want to check out the below book of his :They shall expel demons.


Please read chapters 5 and 16 where he discuss why Christians need demons delivered from them.


https://nuggets4u.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/they-shall-expel-demons-derek-prince.pdf

Intro to chapter 16:

There are two different sets of circumstances that
may confront a Christian with the need to deal with
demons:
1. Demons were already in him before he became a
Christian.
2. Demons entered him after he became a Christian.

His own words Chapter 16, page 214-216
Please read and heed the last paragraph I put in bold and underlined.

A MAN WHO LOVED JESUS
God's mercy in providing the ministry of deliverance
is wonderfully illustrated in the following testimony
from a worker in a psychiatric hospital in the U.S.:
One of the most controversial questions within the
charismatic move today appears to be whether a
Christian can be possessed of a demon. I had only
recently received teaching concerning demons and
deliverance when I began working in a large state
psychiatric hospital. One of my first patients was an
intelligent, thirty-year-old man who had spent over
ten years of his life in some of the best treatment
facilities in the country.
The outward manifestation of his illness was the
uncontrollable behavior of dashing his head against
walls and sharp objects, often seriously hurting
himself. This behavior occurred irrespective of
treatment or of the man's frame of mind. The
problem became so serious that the patient was
fitted with a football helmet, strapped to a bed, and
the bed bolted to the floor in the center of his room.
This young man was a handsome, well-liked person,
well-known to the entire hospital staff. The tragedy
of his case and what disconcerted me was his love for
Jesus Christ. He was a Christian, openly professed
Christ, and would weep for joy when we spent time
singing, praying and sharing in the Word together.
However, for several weeks I was unaware that after
I departed from our fellowship, he would go into a
rage, calling me profane names and trying
desperately to harm himself.
After these reports I feared for his safety and
discontinued the visits, relying on God to answer my
prayer for his recovery. Yet the fellow became so
despondent without my visits that I felt compelled to
return. As I opened my Bible to share with him, the
Spirit suddenly moved on me to command the
demon to leave. Though the words I spoke were
almost inaudible, the reaction was immediate.
Never had I witnessed such a gnashing of teeth,
screams of profanity against Christ, and evil facial
expressions. Not only that, but in spite of being
strapped securely to the bed, his body became rigid
and rose more than a foot above the bed, suspended
in mid-air. The change in the patient was so sudden
and violent that I became afraid. I left the room
quickly, hoping this would ease his violent reaction.
Several moments passed before I realized the
connection between the words I had spoken
commanding the demon to leave and the violent
display. The Holy Spirit quickened me to return. This
time the demonic manifestation did not dismay me. I
commanded the demon to leave in the name of Jesus,
reminding it of Mark 16:17. Though it continued to
manifest, I returned to my office with Christ's
assurance.
From that day forward, this man was completely free
of that demon and its violent manifestation. Not only
that, but he took his Bible and went throughout the
hospital to staff and patients, praising God for his
"deliverance from the demon. " Subsequent hospital
investigations attested to the miraculous deliverance.
Indeed, it was not my prayers, our fellowship or my
sharing the Word that brought restoration in the
Christian man's life, but the casting out of a demon
according to Mark 16:17.


Please stop telling me & others he never taught a believer/Christian could be demonized. He also was a works salvation proponent.
 
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sevenseas

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I believe what Prince wrote

period

and I do believe demons can be in Christians, not possessing them, but in them

and I do not see anything in scripture that provides me with the assurance they cannot

people can believe what they want, but I know what I have seen, heard and the relief that comes AFTER a demon is expelled

people do not understand the very real power the devil has and has been allowed to have

I am sure some will consider that heretical but that's fine
 
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demonized is not possessed. demonized does not mean that person is possessed and yes, Christians can most certainly be demonized for various reasons

I don't know who he mentored, but the book Pigs in the Parlor is chock full of subjective material and supposed visions

Derek Prince sticks to scripture, so if he did mentor the authors of the above book? they could not have been paying much attention

Derek Prince did not at all teach that there HAD to be a wad of anything coughed up

please. I just read his book about demons last summer and it is still pretty fresh in my mind



where on earth do people get this sort of thing?

there are works of the flesh that lead to a person being demonized

this is a subject that many disagree on. people are free to disagree but rumors are just not helpful at all and knowing Prince's ministry and videos and books, I seriously doubt he recanted as he based his findings on scripture.

I hardly know what to say regarding the rumors other than that is not evidence and not to be taken seriously
The correct word is demonized, because the word possessed and possession in the Bible is daimonion

I stated the rumor was a rumor, I am not starting any new rumor.

How can a dead man stick to scripture?

Frank and Ida Mae Hammond were very close to Derek prince, and their books have a lot of the same stuff Derek 's book and they shall expel demons had.

I posted the link to the book, read and stop making hay you don't have the grass for.
 
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sevenseas

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Please stop telling me & others he never taught a believer/Christian could be demonized. He also was a works salvation proponent
absolutely not

he was 100% grace

I'm not responding to this anymore because only one of us actually seems to have a grip on what the man actually taught

rumors are rumors and if you cannot provide proof, really, I wonder why you keep at it?

I didn't write the books and I am not the only one who appreciates his ministry

kindly take it up with another who believes he had good things to teach

and thank you
 
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sevenseas

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The correct word is demonized, because the word possessed and possession in the Bible is daimonion

I stated the rumor was a rumor, I am not starting any new rumor.

How can a dead man stick to scripture?

Frank and Ida Mae Hammond were very close to Derek prince, and their books have a lot of the same stuff Derek 's book and they shall expel demons had.

I posted the link to the book, read and stop making hay you don't have the grass for.
I didn't mark you for someone who HAS to be right all the time

I think I have changed my mind

you are like a terrier that has a grip and even if it is the master's best shoe, that dog ain't letting go

go bother another.

and again, thank you
 

stonesoffire

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Got the book in hand...and am checking.
 
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I believe what Prince wrote

period

and I do believe demons can be in Christians, not possessing them, but in them

and I do not see anything in scripture that provides me with the assurance they cannot

people can believe what they want, but I know what I have seen, heard and the relief that comes AFTER a demon is expelled

people do not understand the very real power the devil has and has been allowed to have

I am sure some will consider that heretical but that's fine

We disagree sister and thats fine as you said. thanks for the comments
 
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I didn't mark you for someone who HAS to be right all the time

I think I have changed my mind

you are like a terrier that has a grip and even if it is the master's best shoe, that dog ain't letting go

go bother another.

and again, thank you
did you read my last post to you? I dropped it already. I did not know you believeed what he said or I would have not made the last comment. Sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for the comments
 

stonesoffire

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I read most of both chapters. He teaches this scripture:

~1Jn 1:6  If we claim that we have fellowship with him but keep living in darkness, we are lying and not practicing the truth. 
1Jn 1:7  But if we keep living in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

-as obedience to the Word.

It's thoughts that give entrance for a wrong spirit...so keep to the Word of God. Even error is a "spirit".

It's what he learned through his experiences. I agree with this.

Now I shall read the book.