Atheists - Doubt Your Doubts
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Hey guys, I think that we would have a better time ice fishing on Earth than on Jupiter's moon, Europa. 
The temperatures wouldn't be as cold. We could breathe much better. We'd catch more fish on earth than on Europa (as in no known fish there).
Europa is smaller than earth's moon. Europa's surface temperature averages about 110 K (−160 °C; −260 °F) at its equator and it's colder elsewhere on Europa.
The liquid water there is projected to be miles below the surface and actual depth is unknown.
Oceans can be blue on earth (Example: Florida USA and many tropical locations) but not on Europa.
Source for some information: Europa (moon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As Dorothy is reported to have said from Oz: There's no place like home (Earth).
Happy New Year.
The temperatures wouldn't be as cold. We could breathe much better. We'd catch more fish on earth than on Europa (as in no known fish there).
Europa is smaller than earth's moon. Europa's surface temperature averages about 110 K (−160 °C; −260 °F) at its equator and it's colder elsewhere on Europa.
The liquid water there is projected to be miles below the surface and actual depth is unknown.
Oceans can be blue on earth (Example: Florida USA and many tropical locations) but not on Europa.
Source for some information: Europa (moon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As Dorothy is reported to have said from Oz: There's no place like home (Earth).
Happy New Year.
Hey guys, I think that we would have a better time ice fishing on Earth than on Jupiter's moon, Europa.
The temperatures wouldn't be as cold. We could breathe much better. We'd catch more fish on earth than on Europa (as in no known fish there).
Europa is smaller than earth's moon. Europa's surface temperature averages about 110 K (−160 °C; −260 °F) at its equator and it's colder elsewhere on Europa.
The liquid water there is projected to be miles below the surface and actual depth is unknown.
Oceans can be blue on earth (Example: Florida USA and many tropical locations) but not on Europa.
Source for some information: Europa (moon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As Dorothy is reported to have said from Oz: There's no place like home (Earth).
Happy New Year.
The temperatures wouldn't be as cold. We could breathe much better. We'd catch more fish on earth than on Europa (as in no known fish there).
Europa is smaller than earth's moon. Europa's surface temperature averages about 110 K (−160 °C; −260 °F) at its equator and it's colder elsewhere on Europa.
The liquid water there is projected to be miles below the surface and actual depth is unknown.
Oceans can be blue on earth (Example: Florida USA and many tropical locations) but not on Europa.
Source for some information: Europa (moon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
As Dorothy is reported to have said from Oz: There's no place like home (Earth).
Happy New Year.
So if something doesn't exist... then it can't not be believed in?
That's like saying, "If there is no such thing as Mothra, then there would be nothing for non-Mothra believers not to believe in." You're arguing that anything people don't believe in must exist - that existence of an object is necessary for people not to believe in it.
I honestly don't know what else to say. Your statement is so absurd that I am completely speechless.
That's like saying, "If there is no such thing as Mothra, then there would be nothing for non-Mothra believers not to believe in." You're arguing that anything people don't believe in must exist - that existence of an object is necessary for people not to believe in it.
I honestly don't know what else to say. Your statement is so absurd that I am completely speechless.
ok sorry to spoil the mood...how about...ps 14 v 1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. just because there is unbelief rampant there are some who believe the Earth is flat etc to them all things are right with there world..all will die and find out ..might as well find out while you are alive....if God is and he has created universes etc he is well able to say hello...if you do it his way...!
Mate, water isn't blue. It's clear. The sky is blue. Oceans reflect the sky. Regardless, Europa doesn't need to have tropical climate or liquid oceans at it's surface. All kinds of life live in the depths of oceans under the North and South poles on Earth in teperatues just as cold as Europa's waters.
Hi there Nl, I'd be thrilled with the discovery of tube worms or any other evidence of life.
It is not surface temperature or the lack of a breathable atmosphere that concerns us on Europa. Also, speculation that there is no life is as valid as speculation that there is, except for one thing. In the darkest, coldest, deepest part of Earth's oceans life thrives. If there was no life on Earth in such locations you would have a better case to doubt its existence on Europa.
Smaller, yes, but just slightly. However, it is estimated to have in the same proportion that much more water than does Earth. That's surprising, isn't it? Remember, what started this particular discussion was your claim that no other known planets (or moons) had a liquid water ocean. The claim, was in error, and to top it off one other planet, Mars, has been shown to have considerable evidence of possessing oceans in the past.
Your point, I think, was to argue the improbability of any other water worlds like Earth. Water, however, is abundant in the solar system, and according to all our evidence is equally abundant throughout the galaxy. Whereas once we had no evidence that other worlds existed we have now, with the development of new technologies in the last two decades, discovered over 1,800 worlds. Odds are that planets the size of Earth are common (astronomers argue that statistically there are probably billions of them in our galaxy). Some of those are likely, simply by chance alone, to be in orbits around stars that permit surface oceans. That much, Nl, we should be able to agree upon.
And, Happy New Year!
It is not surface temperature or the lack of a breathable atmosphere that concerns us on Europa. Also, speculation that there is no life is as valid as speculation that there is, except for one thing. In the darkest, coldest, deepest part of Earth's oceans life thrives. If there was no life on Earth in such locations you would have a better case to doubt its existence on Europa.
Smaller, yes, but just slightly. However, it is estimated to have in the same proportion that much more water than does Earth. That's surprising, isn't it? Remember, what started this particular discussion was your claim that no other known planets (or moons) had a liquid water ocean. The claim, was in error, and to top it off one other planet, Mars, has been shown to have considerable evidence of possessing oceans in the past.
Your point, I think, was to argue the improbability of any other water worlds like Earth. Water, however, is abundant in the solar system, and according to all our evidence is equally abundant throughout the galaxy. Whereas once we had no evidence that other worlds existed we have now, with the development of new technologies in the last two decades, discovered over 1,800 worlds. Odds are that planets the size of Earth are common (astronomers argue that statistically there are probably billions of them in our galaxy). Some of those are likely, simply by chance alone, to be in orbits around stars that permit surface oceans. That much, Nl, we should be able to agree upon.
And, Happy New Year!
This does not support your previous statement:
Even if God is real, your claim that atheists need God to exist not to believe in him is completely absurd. Whether or not God exists is no excuse to use completely absurd arguments. It's one thing to say atheists are wrong, but to say they're wrong because you can't not believe in something that isn't real is just mind boggling. I'm trying to wrap my head around that one.
Even if God is real, your claim that atheists need God to exist not to believe in him is completely absurd. Whether or not God exists is no excuse to use completely absurd arguments. It's one thing to say atheists are wrong, but to say they're wrong because you can't not believe in something that isn't real is just mind boggling. I'm trying to wrap my head around that one.
http://astrobiology.berkeley.edu/PDFs_articles/Glavin_EPSL2001.pdf
The microbes were fossilized, but still.
The microbes were fossilized, but still.
Many posts are responses to other posts.
Many arguments are stated in opposition and contrary to another argument.
Contrariness may also be expressed against a person in what has been called an ad hominem attack. Hopefully, these are rare but God alone fully knows our motives and actions.
God is an infinite and All-Mighty Person. Contrariness against God is not advised. We have a life to live that He has given. We do well to seek and then serve the Source of our life.
Many arguments are stated in opposition and contrary to another argument.
Contrariness may also be expressed against a person in what has been called an ad hominem attack. Hopefully, these are rare but God alone fully knows our motives and actions.
God is an infinite and All-Mighty Person. Contrariness against God is not advised. We have a life to live that He has given. We do well to seek and then serve the Source of our life.
