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I find your understanding of the word "fulfilled" lacking. Christ ushered in the Holy Spirit for every believer, in that way Christ fulfilled the ceremonial laws. The Holy Spirit is better than the ceremonial laws to bring our day to living Christ centered.
I sometimes use both the HS and the ceremonial laws to remind me of the spiritual law, and it is of benefit. I prayed about it, and yes, it can be a benefit to use both. God didn't eliminate them. You and I have a mezuzah, and God doesn't care about a box on our front door at all. God does care that we dedicated our home to Him, about how we use that mezuzah. If you and I relied on that little box to do what our dedication does, it would be wrong to have that box. Christ didn't take away our being able to use the box as a reminder to us.
I sometimes use both the HS and the ceremonial laws to remind me of the spiritual law, and it is of benefit. I prayed about it, and yes, it can be a benefit to use both. God didn't eliminate them. You and I have a mezuzah, and God doesn't care about a box on our front door at all. God does care that we dedicated our home to Him, about how we use that mezuzah. If you and I relied on that little box to do what our dedication does, it would be wrong to have that box. Christ didn't take away our being able to use the box as a reminder to us.
Tradition is tradition, no matter who forsakes Yahweh for their tradition they are just as the Pharisees.
Mattithyah 15:3, "But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
I find it telling that when I speak against he things Yahweh say not to do, I am painted as wrong and evil.
Isayah, 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
Revelation 18:4, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues."
Mattithyah 15:3, "But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of Yahweh by your traditions?"
I find it telling that when I speak against he things Yahweh say not to do, I am painted as wrong and evil.
Isayah, 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
Revelation 18:4, "And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Come out of her, My people, so that you do not partake in her sins, and so that you do not receive of her plagues."
I know about when Yahweh used Mosheh and Aaron and cast the first plague on the Egyptian Pharaoh.
What does this have to do with my question?
Im wondering if your comment of those rooted in heel are those who celebrate babylonian goddess rituals and call it for the Messiah out of tradition are the ones rooted in heel? Or if the ones who choose not to celebrate babylonian rituals are the ones rooted in hell?
What does this have to do with my question?
Im wondering if your comment of those rooted in heel are those who celebrate babylonian goddess rituals and call it for the Messiah out of tradition are the ones rooted in heel? Or if the ones who choose not to celebrate babylonian rituals are the ones rooted in hell?
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I have answered this in several other posts on this thread which seem to evade your memory but i will answer this one more time and maybe this time it will stick, though that is doubtful considering I am again returning to this topic.
Christ's law to us is clear. We are to obey all moral laws. This is why we see 9 of the ten commandments affirmed in the NT. The ceremonial law of the OT is fulfilled in Christ's death and resurrection. Circumcision of the penis becomes Circumcision of the heart. The jewish sabbath becomes Jesus is our rest, etc.
The fourth commandment of the OT is ceremonial in nature. The other 9 commandments are moral in nature. This is a very basic NT teaching that I learned in a confirmation class as a Lutheran. For a deeper look into this teaching: What’s the Difference Between the Old Covenant & New Covenant in the Bible? | The Overflow
Christ's law to us is clear. We are to obey all moral laws. This is why we see 9 of the ten commandments affirmed in the NT. The ceremonial law of the OT is fulfilled in Christ's death and resurrection. Circumcision of the penis becomes Circumcision of the heart. The jewish sabbath becomes Jesus is our rest, etc.
The fourth commandment of the OT is ceremonial in nature. The other 9 commandments are moral in nature. This is a very basic NT teaching that I learned in a confirmation class as a Lutheran. For a deeper look into this teaching: What’s the Difference Between the Old Covenant & New Covenant in the Bible? | The Overflow
Please show me where the fourth Commandment is removed from the Ten. Show me some scripture for it being ceremonial.
by the way...
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
rest here being Sabbatismos, the keeping of the Sabbath...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott.
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; - NIV
Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, - ESV
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. - NASB
and the list goes on and on.
Now show me a statement in the NT that says the Sabbath is done away.
by the way...
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
rest here being Sabbatismos, the keeping of the Sabbath...
Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott.
There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; - NIV
Heb 4:9 So then, there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, - ESV
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. - NASB
and the list goes on and on.
Now show me a statement in the NT that says the Sabbath is done away.
Your first problem is letting some website teach you what the Scripture means, I read Scripture and let the Spirit teach me, no web sites here, but it makes sense now.
Doing the will of Yahweh is not ceremonial it is by HIS OWN WORDS HIS MARK.
Also you say the is a "NT" Law....
So what if I lived in Ephesus and not Corinth?
I only had to follow what parts of the Law Paul wrote to me in a LETTER?
2 Timothy 3:15-16, "And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation, through the faith which is in Yahshua Messiah. All Scripture that is given through inspiration of Yahweh is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
What were these Scritures Timothy knew since a child?
Was this the letter Shaul wrote 5 minutes ago?
I can see it now, Shaul walks up to another disciple, look at this Scripture, I just wrote it!
No Shaul was talking about the "OT" ......why? because it was "able to make you wise unto salvation"
Why is this so?
Because it contains both criteria:
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Its terrible how many reject the New Testament Scriptures revealed in Greek, literally the words of the Messiah here in Revelation...Yet the blind reject them.
Doing the will of Yahweh is not ceremonial it is by HIS OWN WORDS HIS MARK.
Also you say the is a "NT" Law....
So what if I lived in Ephesus and not Corinth?
I only had to follow what parts of the Law Paul wrote to me in a LETTER?
2 Timothy 3:15-16, "And that from a child you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise unto salvation, through the faith which is in Yahshua Messiah. All Scripture that is given through inspiration of Yahweh is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
What were these Scritures Timothy knew since a child?
Was this the letter Shaul wrote 5 minutes ago?
I can see it now, Shaul walks up to another disciple, look at this Scripture, I just wrote it!
No Shaul was talking about the "OT" ......why? because it was "able to make you wise unto salvation"
Why is this so?
Because it contains both criteria:
Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the Laws of Yahweh, and have the testimony of Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Laws of Yahweh, in conformity with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."
1785. entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.
Its terrible how many reject the New Testament Scriptures revealed in Greek, literally the words of the Messiah here in Revelation...Yet the blind reject them.
There are different old covenant (contract) keepers:
Some here only observe the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath
Some include all the Sabbaths but exclude certain feasts
Some eat unclean meats but observe one or all the Sabbaths
Some only give one tithe
Some give three tithes
This is where their “Christ” comes in handy. None of them keep the old contract completely so they each have their own personal “Christ” that makes up for the rest of the contract they can’t keep. They all use their own “Christ” differently as they see fit because they all keep the old contract differently. This also means that they all don't have the same "Christ". Of course their “Christ” has no say in how he gets used…. He's like and old dead rag that they pick up to smudge out certain clauses of the old contract that are inconvenient. And then when they fail to properly keep the clauses of the old contract that they didn’t smudge out then they pick up that same old dead rag to smudge the transgressions off their faces. And here they are… persistently trying to give away their old dead rags.
Some here only observe the 7[SUP]th[/SUP] Day Sabbath
Some include all the Sabbaths but exclude certain feasts
Some eat unclean meats but observe one or all the Sabbaths
Some only give one tithe
Some give three tithes
This is where their “Christ” comes in handy. None of them keep the old contract completely so they each have their own personal “Christ” that makes up for the rest of the contract they can’t keep. They all use their own “Christ” differently as they see fit because they all keep the old contract differently. This also means that they all don't have the same "Christ". Of course their “Christ” has no say in how he gets used…. He's like and old dead rag that they pick up to smudge out certain clauses of the old contract that are inconvenient. And then when they fail to properly keep the clauses of the old contract that they didn’t smudge out then they pick up that same old dead rag to smudge the transgressions off their faces. And here they are… persistently trying to give away their old dead rags.
While everybody was so busy arguing, this morning I replied to you around 100 posts back. Would you be so kind as to address post # 266? I would ask all others to consider looking at it also for it may alleviate many arguments and may become a focal point to bring people together as Christians should do. I know that's asking a lot. What I see here is relative to the impasse in Washington between the administration, and the house.
Well, I am glad you cleared that up for us, the only scriptures Timothy had was the O.T...
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
What Timothy had was old dead rags. It will be interesting to see where you and Timothy stack up in the resurrection.
2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
What Timothy had was old dead rags. It will be interesting to see where you and Timothy stack up in the resurrection.
I know that, but there's an important fundamental difference.
It's the mitigation of Jesus words in Mt 22:37-40 (Gal 5:6; Ro 13:8-10),
particularly when the two (Mt 22:37-39) are made to hang on the Ten, instead of the Ten hanging on the two,
as Jesus said (Mt 22:40).
Mitigation of Jesus' words betrays lack of fully embracing the NT, in the name of the OT.
That is important and fundamental.
Thanks for your Christian attitude.
It's the mitigation of Jesus words in Mt 22:37-40 (Gal 5:6; Ro 13:8-10),
particularly when the two (Mt 22:37-39) are made to hang on the Ten, instead of the Ten hanging on the two,
as Jesus said (Mt 22:40).
Mitigation of Jesus' words betrays lack of fully embracing the NT, in the name of the OT.
That is important and fundamental.
Thanks for your Christian attitude.