Baptism's role in salvation/gospel? if there is any.
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Mark 16:[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Since it is by not believing that a sinner is damned, then I have to look at that baptism as referring to the baptism of the Holy Ghost; not water baptism, since by believing in Him is how one is baptized by the Holy Ghost from the Father at their salvation in Jesus's name.
Acts 2:[SUP]36 [/SUP]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[SUP] 37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?[SUP] 38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Since Peter was talking to the very Jews that had crucified their God & Saviour because they did not believe in Him, then the call to repentance is to believe in Him is how one receives the remission of sins. If we look to the gospel presented to the Gentiles, we can see that connection.
Acts 10:[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
This same Peter did not preach a different gospel; it is a common misreading of scripture to attribute the remission of sins to water baptism in Acts 2:38, but it was really attributing for the Jews that had crucified Jesus by unbelief to repent by believing in Him is how they got their remission of sins.
We see the Gentiles had received the promise of the Holy Spirit before coming forward, before confessing Him, and before water baptism because when they heard the word to believe in Him, they did that in receiving their remission of sins and the promise of the Holy Ghost.
So the promise of the Holy Spirit is given by believing in Him; not by water baptism. Water baptism by the Jews was an outward sign of confession to show that they are moving away from representing God in the Old Covenant which they could not do, to embrace the New Covenant in resting in Him of what God has done.
Romans 6:[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Roman 6:3-4 is referring to the baptism of the Holy Ghost by the Father at their salvation; not water baptism.
Galatians 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.......[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
In context, referring to the baptism of the Holy spirit received by faith in Jesus Christ; not by water baptism.
Matthew 28:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19 is the reference to water baptism as it is an ordinance for His disciples to do for new believers.
1 Peter 3:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
It is easy to misread verse 21 because of verse 20 testifying to Noah & family "saved by water" but if you read verse 21 with His help, water is what is used to put away the filth of the flesh, and so Peter is no longer referring to water in how one is saved, but by the answer of a good conscience towards God which is to believe in Him is how any one is saved.
Just as Noah & family believed God and got into the ark to be saved.
I believe water baptism has nothing to do with salvation as Paul explained by testifying that God did not call him to baptize but preach the gospel so that by believing in the preaching of the cross, is the power of God in how we are saved. You can read for yourself how Paul did not make water baptism a priority when preaching the gospel.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....[SUP]1 [/SUP]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Mark 16:[SUP]16 [/SUP]He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Since it is by not believing that a sinner is damned, then I have to look at that baptism as referring to the baptism of the Holy Ghost; not water baptism, since by believing in Him is how one is baptized by the Holy Ghost from the Father at their salvation in Jesus's name.
Acts 2:[SUP]36 [/SUP]Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.[SUP] 37 [/SUP]Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?[SUP] 38 [/SUP]Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Since Peter was talking to the very Jews that had crucified their God & Saviour because they did not believe in Him, then the call to repentance is to believe in Him is how one receives the remission of sins. If we look to the gospel presented to the Gentiles, we can see that connection.
Acts 10:[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
This same Peter did not preach a different gospel; it is a common misreading of scripture to attribute the remission of sins to water baptism in Acts 2:38, but it was really attributing for the Jews that had crucified Jesus by unbelief to repent by believing in Him is how they got their remission of sins.
We see the Gentiles had received the promise of the Holy Spirit before coming forward, before confessing Him, and before water baptism because when they heard the word to believe in Him, they did that in receiving their remission of sins and the promise of the Holy Ghost.
So the promise of the Holy Spirit is given by believing in Him; not by water baptism. Water baptism by the Jews was an outward sign of confession to show that they are moving away from representing God in the Old Covenant which they could not do, to embrace the New Covenant in resting in Him of what God has done.
Romans 6:[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?[SUP] 4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Roman 6:3-4 is referring to the baptism of the Holy Ghost by the Father at their salvation; not water baptism.
Galatians 3:[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.......[SUP]26 [/SUP]For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.[SUP]27 [/SUP]For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
In context, referring to the baptism of the Holy spirit received by faith in Jesus Christ; not by water baptism.
Matthew 28:[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19 is the reference to water baptism as it is an ordinance for His disciples to do for new believers.
1 Peter 3:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.[SUP] 21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
It is easy to misread verse 21 because of verse 20 testifying to Noah & family "saved by water" but if you read verse 21 with His help, water is what is used to put away the filth of the flesh, and so Peter is no longer referring to water in how one is saved, but by the answer of a good conscience towards God which is to believe in Him is how any one is saved.
Just as Noah & family believed God and got into the ark to be saved.
I believe water baptism has nothing to do with salvation as Paul explained by testifying that God did not call him to baptize but preach the gospel so that by believing in the preaching of the cross, is the power of God in how we are saved. You can read for yourself how Paul did not make water baptism a priority when preaching the gospel.
1 Corinthians 1:[SUP]14 [/SUP]I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;[SUP] 15 [/SUP]Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.[SUP] 16 [/SUP]And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.[SUP] 17 [/SUP]For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.[SUP] 18 [/SUP]For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....[SUP]1 [/SUP]For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Exactly. It logically follows that we get baptized after we believe the gospel, but if you are on your death bed and cannot get baptized before your death, you are still saved because you BELIEVE (Acts 10:43; Romans 1:16) which is in harmony with Mark 16:16(b)..but he who does not believe will be condemned. *NOWHERE does the Bible mention "water baptized or condemned."
Certainly, water baptism is an important act of obedience. Any one professing to believe in Jesus as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation and yet refusing to be baptized is of questionable sincerity. It's unthinkable that anyone who truly believes the gospel would refuse to be water baptized. I could not wait to get water baptized after my conversion!
Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death is the substance and baptism is the sign/symbol/picture. Without the substance there would be no sign/symbol/picture.
Baptism put it in it's proper place, subsequent to salvation through faith in Christ as all rites and works must be! Baptism is for believers, and believers are already saved, for the Bible says we are saved by grace through faith, not by rites or religious works, or good works. This does not remove good works/acts of obedience (including water baptism) from the Christian life, it just puts them in their proper place, subsequent to regeneration and salvation.
Certainly, water baptism is an important act of obedience. Any one professing to believe in Jesus as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation and yet refusing to be baptized is of questionable sincerity. It's unthinkable that anyone who truly believes the gospel would refuse to be water baptized. I could not wait to get water baptized after my conversion!
Baptism would have no meaning without Christ’s death, burial and resurrection, but Christ’s death, burial and resurrection would still have meaning, even if there were no baptism. In other words, Christ’s death is the substance and baptism is the sign/symbol/picture. Without the substance there would be no sign/symbol/picture.
Baptism put it in it's proper place, subsequent to salvation through faith in Christ as all rites and works must be! Baptism is for believers, and believers are already saved, for the Bible says we are saved by grace through faith, not by rites or religious works, or good works. This does not remove good works/acts of obedience (including water baptism) from the Christian life, it just puts them in their proper place, subsequent to regeneration and salvation.
That is an exception.
Salvation isn't "accepting Christ." You don't know they were saved. Typically these are promised they will go to heaven it they do thus and so or pray a prayer. This does not necessitate true conversion whatsoever.
What is "die to self?" You just stated by implication that all one has to do is "accept Jesus" on their death bed and they're saved. You have declared them saved. Why is there now "more to it?"
Hmmmm...
Salvation isn't "accepting Christ." You don't know they were saved. Typically these are promised they will go to heaven it they do thus and so or pray a prayer. This does not necessitate true conversion whatsoever.
What is "die to self?" You just stated by implication that all one has to do is "accept Jesus" on their death bed and they're saved. You have declared them saved. Why is there now "more to it?"
Hmmmm...
I believe so. A man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through faith and water baptism symbolizes this.
Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status.
Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it depicts Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. The symbol and the reality are so closely related that the symbol is sometimes used to refer to the reality and that seems to be what confuses many people.
Strictly speaking, the husband is united to his wife because of the marriage vows rather than the ring. Yet since the latter is the sign of their union, it is natural to speak of the ring to mean the reality it represents. "With this ring, I thee wed," although the ring is not the actual cause of the change in the marital status.
Baptism is a symbol of salvation in that it depicts Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. The symbol and the reality are so closely related that the symbol is sometimes used to refer to the reality and that seems to be what confuses many people.
The Bible says that the gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Bible also says that we must obey the gospel. “With flames of fire He will take vengeance on those who know not God and who obey not the gospel of His Son.” Baptism is how we obey the gospel. We die to ourself, bury our sinful self in the watery grave of baptism, and are raised a new creature in Christ. We know those in Christ will be saved, and baptism is the only way to get into Christ. (Romans 6:3).
You see, baptism without faith is just getting wet- therefore faith saves because you can’t get baptized without it, and baptism saves because it is how we come in contact with Christ’s blood- which is grace. Only Jesus’ blood saves because it washes our sins away, but there are steps that lead up to it- hearing the gospel, believing, repenting, confessing Jesus is Lord, and being baptized- all of these things save, but not one of these things saves alone by itself.
Only baptism puts you into Christ’s death where He shed His life-saving blood. Therefore it’s the most important role in salvation, and it is obeying the gospel in order to escape hell. Therefore it is of the most vital importance.
You see, baptism without faith is just getting wet- therefore faith saves because you can’t get baptized without it, and baptism saves because it is how we come in contact with Christ’s blood- which is grace. Only Jesus’ blood saves because it washes our sins away, but there are steps that lead up to it- hearing the gospel, believing, repenting, confessing Jesus is Lord, and being baptized- all of these things save, but not one of these things saves alone by itself.
Only baptism puts you into Christ’s death where He shed His life-saving blood. Therefore it’s the most important role in salvation, and it is obeying the gospel in order to escape hell. Therefore it is of the most vital importance.
It must be understood that to label the thief on the cross as unbaptized is an assumption. There is no reference about his past other then he was a thief. It is possible that he was among the masses that came to be water baptized by John the Baptist or his disciples for repentance and the remission of sins (Mark 1:4). He could have been baptized by the apostles during the 3 years that Jesus preached the good news. These of course are assumptions but so is the notion that he was never baptized.
The promise between Jesus and the thief was a personal one and can not be claimed by anyone other than the one it was meant for. God has made many promises to individuals and it would be bad logic to think anyone could insert themselves into such a promise. Abraham, Hannah, David, Solomon, Gideon, Peter, Paul etc. were all made promises by God but these promises cannot be applied to the world at large.
The thief's promise was made before the Great Commissions command to baptize (Matthew 28:16-20), before the need to believe that Jesus was raised from the dead (Romans 10:9) and mostly before the end of the old covenant. Today we are to not blindly grasp at promises not made to us but to follow the New Testament's straight forward promises of remission of sins by obedience to the gospel of Christ (Acts 2).
So yes, the thief on the cross was saved. If Jesus wants to make exceptions who are we to say no. If Jesus wanted Pilate to be with Him in Paradise, so be it. But who stakes their future on assumptions. King Hezekiah asked for healing and God promised him fifteen more years of life (2nd Kings 20). But would anyone tell a dying person to claim this promise as their own?
The promise between Jesus and the thief was a personal one and can not be claimed by anyone other than the one it was meant for. God has made many promises to individuals and it would be bad logic to think anyone could insert themselves into such a promise. Abraham, Hannah, David, Solomon, Gideon, Peter, Paul etc. were all made promises by God but these promises cannot be applied to the world at large.
The thief's promise was made before the Great Commissions command to baptize (Matthew 28:16-20), before the need to believe that Jesus was raised from the dead (Romans 10:9) and mostly before the end of the old covenant. Today we are to not blindly grasp at promises not made to us but to follow the New Testament's straight forward promises of remission of sins by obedience to the gospel of Christ (Acts 2).
So yes, the thief on the cross was saved. If Jesus wants to make exceptions who are we to say no. If Jesus wanted Pilate to be with Him in Paradise, so be it. But who stakes their future on assumptions. King Hezekiah asked for healing and God promised him fifteen more years of life (2nd Kings 20). But would anyone tell a dying person to claim this promise as their own?
A catholic told me that water baptism forgive your sin from you born till you baptized. It mean if you die in the time of baptism, you go to heaven without purgatory.
It doesn't matter you repent or not, you serious or not, ritual baptism it self bring forgiven.
Catholic is base on ritual, like satanic. If you say your mantra, devil will give you power. I hear a testimony from ex shaman
he have a mantra that able to destroying rock without touching.
It doesn't matter you repent or not, you serious or not, ritual baptism it self bring forgiven.
Catholic is base on ritual, like satanic. If you say your mantra, devil will give you power. I hear a testimony from ex shaman
he have a mantra that able to destroying rock without touching.
Marriage is a physical, planned and ordained act. Baptism is a physical, planned and ordained act.
Calling baptism a symbol of the act of baptism is absurd.
A person is married with or without the symbol of marriage (ring) but how can someone be married without the act of marriage? How can someone be baptized so that his sins will be forgiven unless he is baptized? Peter said that the symbol of baptism was the flood waters of Noah (1st Peter 3:21). But that symbol does not make you baptized. Being baptized makes you baptized.
Marriage is not a symbol. Baptism is not a symbol.
Calling baptism a symbol of the act of baptism is absurd.
A person is married with or without the symbol of marriage (ring) but how can someone be married without the act of marriage? How can someone be baptized so that his sins will be forgiven unless he is baptized? Peter said that the symbol of baptism was the flood waters of Noah (1st Peter 3:21). But that symbol does not make you baptized. Being baptized makes you baptized.
Marriage is not a symbol. Baptism is not a symbol.
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It seems like you are tilting at windmills. A new believer who is baptized by immersion is not literally killed, not does he literally experience a miraculous resurrection. When he is immersed in water, that is symbolic of death and burial. And when he is raised up out of the water, that is symbolic of resurrection. So water baptism by immersion is symbolic of the spiritual death and burial of the former sinner, and the resurrection of the saint to "walk in newness of life". The fact that this is done in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost gives it the spiritual significance that is inherent in water baptism.
Something which should be noted here is that the sinner who has turned to Christ has already experienced two other spiritual baptisms BEFORE water baptism. When he received the gift of the Holy Ghost, that was the action of Christ "baptizing WITH the Holy Ghost". At the same time the Holy Spirit baptizes or immerses the believer into the Body of Christ.
THE BAPTISM BY CHRIST
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire (Mt 3:11).
THE BAPTISM BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Cor 12:12)
The Pentecostal doctrine that the "baptism IN the Holy Spirit" as evidenced by speaking in tongues is not in view. Why? Because Paul made it very clear that not all would speak in tongues, and today's tongues are quite different from biblical tongues.
Something which should be noted here is that the sinner who has turned to Christ has already experienced two other spiritual baptisms BEFORE water baptism. When he received the gift of the Holy Ghost, that was the action of Christ "baptizing WITH the Holy Ghost". At the same time the Holy Spirit baptizes or immerses the believer into the Body of Christ.
THE BAPTISM BY CHRIST
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire (Mt 3:11).
THE BAPTISM BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (1 Cor 12:12)
The Pentecostal doctrine that the "baptism IN the Holy Spirit" as evidenced by speaking in tongues is not in view. Why? Because Paul made it very clear that not all would speak in tongues, and today's tongues are quite different from biblical tongues.
In comparison to Romans 6:3-6, the thief did exactly what we do in baptism...be crucified with Christ and die, get buried, and remain with God in newness of (eternal) life.
There are penalties for refusing to obey God during one's life.
Baptism without repentance is just a bath.
It's not too late for you now that you have the understanding of what all happens at baptism besides remission of sins, and our sanctification.
Get baptized!
There are penalties for refusing to obey God during one's life.
Baptism without repentance is just a bath.
It's not too late for you now that you have the understanding of what all happens at baptism besides remission of sins, and our sanctification.
Get baptized!
Baptism is a doctrine that is taught in the Gospels and the book of Acts, then there are no verses that teach water baptism. Mark 16:16 is not a good Scripture to use because verse 9-20 are not in the original manuscripts. Now Acts 2:38 teaches that baptism is part of obedience to the Gospel, but it's not a formula for salvation if it was it would go against.
Acts 2:21 “And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” and all other Scriptures that teach salvation by faith and grace.
Let's look at Acts 2:38-39 “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Luke 24:46-47 “Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Matthew 28:19-20 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.”
We are to preach repentance and remission of sins in His name, Acts 2:38 would go against all of Christ's and the Apostles teaches if it was teaching that baptism was for the remission of sins. The key word that gets people confessed is "for", so with the teaches of Christ and the Apostles being remission of sins by grace and faith by calling on the name of Christ,
Acts 13:38-39 “Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
We are saved by placing our faith in Christ, baptism is a sign of obedience to the Gospel. As for the wording in Ats 2:38 "for the remission of sins" the word "for" is what throws lots of people off, it does not mean to get like if I were to says, I will give you 5 bucks for that sandwich. The word for is being used in the same way that one would say, "take an aspirin for a headache" I am not say to take the apiring to get the headache, but to take the aspirin because you already have a headache and need it gone.
Water baptism is in obedience to the Gospel, it is not for salvation nor does it unite you to Christ in His burial or reserrection, that is through the baptism of the Spirit. So this does not go so long it is not worth reading.
Acts 2:21 “And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” and all other Scriptures that teach salvation by faith and grace.
Let's look at Acts 2:38-39 “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
Luke 24:46-47 “Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day,47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.”
Matthew 28:19-20 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.”
We are to preach repentance and remission of sins in His name, Acts 2:38 would go against all of Christ's and the Apostles teaches if it was teaching that baptism was for the remission of sins. The key word that gets people confessed is "for", so with the teaches of Christ and the Apostles being remission of sins by grace and faith by calling on the name of Christ,
Acts 13:38-39 “Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins;39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.”
We are saved by placing our faith in Christ, baptism is a sign of obedience to the Gospel. As for the wording in Ats 2:38 "for the remission of sins" the word "for" is what throws lots of people off, it does not mean to get like if I were to says, I will give you 5 bucks for that sandwich. The word for is being used in the same way that one would say, "take an aspirin for a headache" I am not say to take the apiring to get the headache, but to take the aspirin because you already have a headache and need it gone.
Water baptism is in obedience to the Gospel, it is not for salvation nor does it unite you to Christ in His burial or reserrection, that is through the baptism of the Spirit. So this does not go so long it is not worth reading.
Let's look at baptism in the epistles, Romans 6:1-4
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Notice this baptism causes us to walk in newness of life, as we read on we come to 7:6 which tell us what the newness of life we are to wlak in is,
7:6 “But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.”
It is the newness of life in the Spirit and the Scriptures tells us that we are unted to Christ through the baptism of the Spirit.
I Corinthians 12:12-14 “For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.”
Let's look at Galatians 3:26-27 “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
Notice that baptism is by faith not water, let's look at,
I Peter 3:21 “who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.”
The water that Noah's and his family passed through is an snti-type or as the ESV translates it, thw water that they passed through "which corresponds to this" what corresponds to the water that they passed through? It is the baptism of the Spirit that unites us to Christ in His death and reserrection, which verse 3:21 tells us. In that baptism it gives us a good conscience towards God, through the reserrection of Christ, which is by the baptism of the Spirit which all believers are made to drink, I Corinthians 12:13.
All of the Scriptures dealing with baptism in the epistles are dealing with the baptism of the Spirit, not water baptism. Let's look at Ephesians 1:13-14 “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”
When we believed we were sealed/baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ, made members of His body until the end of time.
“What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”
Notice this baptism causes us to walk in newness of life, as we read on we come to 7:6 which tell us what the newness of life we are to wlak in is,
7:6 “But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.”
It is the newness of life in the Spirit and the Scriptures tells us that we are unted to Christ through the baptism of the Spirit.
I Corinthians 12:12-14 “For as the body is one and has many members, but all the members of that one body, being many, are one body, so also is Christ.13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.14 For in fact the body is not one member but many.”
Let's look at Galatians 3:26-27 “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
Notice that baptism is by faith not water, let's look at,
I Peter 3:21 “who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.21 There is also an antitype which now saves us—baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.”
The water that Noah's and his family passed through is an snti-type or as the ESV translates it, thw water that they passed through "which corresponds to this" what corresponds to the water that they passed through? It is the baptism of the Spirit that unites us to Christ in His death and reserrection, which verse 3:21 tells us. In that baptism it gives us a good conscience towards God, through the reserrection of Christ, which is by the baptism of the Spirit which all believers are made to drink, I Corinthians 12:13.
All of the Scriptures dealing with baptism in the epistles are dealing with the baptism of the Spirit, not water baptism. Let's look at Ephesians 1:13-14 “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”
When we believed we were sealed/baptized by the Spirit into the body of Christ, made members of His body until the end of time.
Once again, a man and a woman become united through their wedding vows and the ring symbolizes this. Just as we become united with Christ through the act of choosing to believe the gospel by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation and water baptism symbolizes this. Baptism is not a symbol of the act of baptism, but is a symbol of salvation in that it depicts Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. In reality, believers are literally saved by what baptism symbolizes--Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Your logic is absurd.
One is not married without the act of marriage, yet the ring is not the cause of the change in one's marital status, just as one is not saved without the act of choosing to believe the gospel, yet water baptism is not the cause of the change in one's salvation status.
One's sins are forgiven when one believes in Him/places their faith in Christ for salvation (Romans 3:24-26; Acts 26:18) BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47).
Neither the flood waters or baptism is what literally saves. The eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
*Not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).
Marriage is the reality and the ring is the symbol of the reality, just as choosing to believe the gospel and being baptized with the Holy Spirit is the reality (Acts 10:43; 11:16-17; Ephesians 1:13) and baptism is the symbol of the reality.
One is not married without the act of marriage, yet the ring is not the cause of the change in one's marital status, just as one is not saved without the act of choosing to believe the gospel, yet water baptism is not the cause of the change in one's salvation status.
One's sins are forgiven when one believes in Him/places their faith in Christ for salvation (Romans 3:24-26; Acts 26:18) BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:43-47).
Neither the flood waters or baptism is what literally saves. The eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *NOTE: The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, ONLY THE WICKED IN NOAH'S DAY CAME IN CONTACT WITH THE WATER AND THEY ALL PERISHED.
*Not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).
Marriage is the reality and the ring is the symbol of the reality, just as choosing to believe the gospel and being baptized with the Holy Spirit is the reality (Acts 10:43; 11:16-17; Ephesians 1:13) and baptism is the symbol of the reality.
this is where i stop. i open up my king james bible by the grace of God i have one and its got mark 16:16.
i dont believe that gospel of mark ends so abruptly it doesnt make any sense. i stick with the king james bible. in these end times they are constantly changing the bible. be on the look out for that.
there is evidence those verses are there from ancient times. even in 200s people quoted it.
they over critique it. its one sign of the end times. higher textual criticism. run from it.
brother Nehemiah got more information ask him
i dont believe that gospel of mark ends so abruptly it doesnt make any sense. i stick with the king james bible. in these end times they are constantly changing the bible. be on the look out for that.
there is evidence those verses are there from ancient times. even in 200s people quoted it.
they over critique it. its one sign of the end times. higher textual criticism. run from it.
brother Nehemiah got more information ask him