Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect

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Revelator7

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the God of all grace, who called you to His eternal glory in Christ, will Himself perfect, confirm, strengthen and establish you. 1 Peter 5:10




 
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JesusIsAll

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Please, be serious!
Okay, but if you will?

Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.
 
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Matt. 5:48 Be {esomai - future tense - become} perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. We are all a work in progress . . .
 

JesusLives

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Aren't we perfect if we are abiding in Jesus? This is after we have given our hearts to Him of course and repented.....Doesn't His robe of righteousness cover us and God sees us as perfect? Really want to know your thoughts on this. No joke like some on this thread.
 
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Revelator7

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Okay, but if you will?

Hebrews 6:1-3 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.
What translation are you quoting?! I cannot believe it says in plain English: "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ" Godforbid we leave the principles of the doctrine of Jesus Christ.
 

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Aren't we perfect if we are abiding in Jesus? This is after we have given our hearts to Him of course and repented.....Doesn't His robe of righteousness cover us and God sees us as perfect? Really want to know your thoughts on this. No joke like some on this thread.
In the eyes of Jesus we are made perfect if we abide in Him. Once our sin has been cleansed by the shed blood of Jesus we are pure in the eyes of God. I don't think that it is possible to get more perfect than that.
 
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Aren't we perfect if we are abiding in Jesus? This is after we have given our hearts to Him of course and repented.....Doesn't His robe of righteousness cover us and God sees us as perfect? Really want to know your thoughts on this. No joke like some on this thread.
thanks for this, my friend. :)

when Jesus spoke those famous words, Be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect, He was summing up His giving of the Law in the Sermon on the Mount.
That's all you gotta do to be saved...just be exactly like God.
:rolleyes:

if God did not forgive iniquities...if God did not see us just as He sees His Son...who could stand?

~ellie
 
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JesusIsAll

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What translation are you quoting?! I cannot believe it says in plain English: "Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ" Godforbid we leave the principles of the doctrine of Jesus Christ.
Well, with deep regret, that is the King James, as a matter of fact, specifically regret that, clearly, this is not something many seem to understand. I take it you're not even familiar with the verse!

Half of CC is arguing law and what Christ's blood does or does not, and I'm seeing an age group, largely, post-puberty. Do people wish to be serious? Get serious. Get past Sunday School, if the childish bickering can cease long enough.
 
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Well, with deep regret, that is the King James, as a matter of fact, specifically regret that, clearly, this is not something many seem to understand. I take it you're not even familiar with the verse!

Half of CC is arguing law and what Christ's blood does or does not, and I'm seeing an age group, largely, post-puberty. Do people wish to be serious? Get serious. Get past Sunday School, if the childish bickering can cease long enough.
I use the King James a lot but I've always read from the NIV Hebrews 6:1 which says "The elementary teachings".
 
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JesusIsAll

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I use the King James a lot but I've always read from the NIV Hebrews 6:1 which says "The elementary teachings".
Alright, then, get back with bickering over the elementary teachings.
 
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Marian29

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How can we be perfect?...

2 Tim. 3:16,17 Every scripture inspired of God [is] also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness.
17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.
 
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JesusIsAll

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It's right there in the verses. Please, I'd rather leave it at this. Do you believe half the threads that go on and on, repeating the same arguments page after page after page, involving baby Christian issues, everybody repeating themselves fifty times, that this is moving forward? Just a question to perhaps consider for a few seconds, before going back to pontificating over your perfection you have an exclusive on. (You may wish to consider a better Bible than the NIV, if you're going to be so exalted.)
 
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Revelator7

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How can we be perfect?...

2 Tim. 3:16,17 Every scripture inspired of God [is] also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness.
17 That the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work.
The Greek word artios for complete is also the same word for perfect. Nice Scripture!
 
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Revelator7

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It's right there in the verses. Please, I'd rather leave it at this. Do you believe half the threads that go on and on, repeating the same arguments page after page after page, involving baby Christian issues, everybody repeating themselves fifty times, that this is moving forward? Just a question to perhaps consider for a few seconds, before going back to pontificating over your perfection you have an exclusive on. (You may wish to consider a better Bible than the NIV, if you're going to be so exalted.)
Your tone shows annoyance towards me, it shows saracam which i do not tolerate especially from a Christian, and it shows critical judgement. You think you know everything about me just because I like to read the NIV? You sarcastically mocked me by saying "if you're going to be so exalted". I have done nothing to you or said anything to you that gives you reason to do this to me. You have a problem with me talking about Perfection. You have taken out all of your frustration over this site in one single comment. Where is your moral intgretity? Where is your love, and gentleness, and kindness and patience? youdon't think i've noticed all the arguing here? you don't think i notice people repeating the same issues? you've judged me for my usage of CC. but let me make it clear to you what this particular thread is about that i post: i'm here as an apologetic to defend the faith and the purity of the Scriptures. i'm here to declare the word of God. i knowningly posted this expecting to receive many different views and opinions. to be honest with you i know nothing in the sense that the more i know the less i know. but one thing i do know is the knowledge of Scripture that has been left here for us. the only one calling me exalted here is you.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Where is your love, and gentleness, and kindness and patience? youdon't think i've noticed all the arguing here? you don't think i notice people repeating the same issues? you've judged me for my usage of CC.
While realizing the affrontery of criticizing the exalted one here, in your prefection you did say the Bible verse I was quoting could not be so in English. I suppose I was lying? Corrupting scripture then, to deceive people? Oh exalted one, is it fair that I should suffer for your Bible ignorance, and further failure to look anything up, before knee jerk attacking me, really, attacking what God clearly said, re: your offensive post #27?

As to my failure to cater to your delicate ego, I was, I think, quite modest, compared to the likes of this: let us examine an exerpt from post #8, the Revelator7 posteth,

Your words here only display your own strugge with sin and disobedence. You speak out of your limited experience. You have not experienced obedience so you speak against those who show you sound doctrine and the Way. You are not refuting me, but the very Scripture God has placed in your hand. i only speak this way to you because "Better is open rebuke than hidden love and faithful are the wounds of a friend' proverbs 27:5-6 biblically i would hate you if i didn't point these things out. if anything my words are to edify you so that you can see your error and move into the paradigm of the knowledge of God who says You can do ALL things to Christ who strengthens (perfects) you.
Amazing hubris and statements, of somebody you don't ever know!

There is an old TV show called Mr. Ed, where there's a talking horse. He always spoke out his mouth. In your perfection, perhaps you could try emulating the front end, also? Otherwise, if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. You may not do well with sarcasm, well I don't do well with the smug and self righteous.

Matthew 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

 
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I read 1 John 2:8, 10 and Hebrews 1:1-2. There is no relationship in those verses to what the topic is here.

Let me keep it simple: Be PERFECT therefore as your heavenly Father is PERFECT. The Words of Jesus <---

But as a general rule, I would not let the words of John or Paul to be more authoritative than Jesus.
My dear sir, you have a flawed view of Scripture.

It's purpose for you is to prove your doctrine.

With such a view, which sets the Scriptures against themselves, there will be few things that you understand correctly.

One would have to exegete most of the Bible to correct your errors for you.
 
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What I have learned from sharing in threads regarding this topic is that
people (no matter what age) cannot handle the idea of being perfect.
And it goes all the way back to 1Jn 2:8, 10.

And I'm sure John knew and understood the words of Christ better than you do,
having been taught by Christ personally.

Setting the Scriptures against themselves is proof of misunderstanding them.