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Then after we're born again we take on the new creation the second man and walk as jesus did. after we're born again we become pure in heart, jesus said that no one can see the kingdom of god unless he is born again. he said blessed are the pure in heart for we shall see the kingdom. being pure in heart means that there is no impurity. we take on the heavenly wisdom (james 3) that is first of all pure which always sows into righteousness. what comes out of the heart, this is what determined a man to be clean or unclean. if we are pure in heart we are totally clean in heart and everything that would come out of it would be spotless.
Revelator, as long as you set the Scriptures against themselves,
as you do in Mt 5:48 and 1Jn 2:8, 10, here,
you do not, and cannot, understand them correctly,
for God does not contradict himself in his word written.
Your knowledge of the Scriptures will need some serious revamping
to harmonize what you see as contradictory.
as you do in Mt 5:48 and 1Jn 2:8, 10, here,
you do not, and cannot, understand them correctly,
for God does not contradict himself in his word written.
Your knowledge of the Scriptures will need some serious revamping
to harmonize what you see as contradictory.
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Whether you're saved or not, there is no such thing as authentic perfection existing today on this earth. Not in the way that Jesus was perfect. Even a born-again saved person falls prey to lustful thoughts and urges, and pride and envy, etc, from time to time. We all have impure thoughts. We all do impure actions. We all sin. Not one of us can say "I am free of sin, of impurity, of hatred, etc etc etc."
It's my opinion that "perfect" means to be without sin.
Eph 1:4 says Christians are to "holy and without blame"
Eph 5:27 says the church is to without spot or wrinkle.
2 Pet 3:14 says Christians are to be without spot, blameless.
God is sinless, heaven is a place without sin, so the issue is how can Christians, who do sin (1 Jn 1:8-10), ever be perfect, spotless, blameless, holy, without wrinkle and enter a sinless place as heaven?
Col 1:28 "Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:"
When one is water baptized all his past sins are remitted (Acts 2:38), he is baptized into Christ (Gal 3:27). By remaining obedient in continually walking in the light, then Christ's blood continually cleanses away ALL sins the Christian commits (1 Jn 1:7) thereby keeping the Christian perfect, spotless, blameless, without wrinkle. But again, being perfect/spotless/blameless can only take place as long as the Christian obediently remains in Christ Jesus
It takes obedience to get in Christ Jesus, it takes obedience to remain in Christ Jesus therefore being perfect/spotless/blameless requires a sustained obedience.
Eph 1:4 says Christians are to "holy and without blame"
Eph 5:27 says the church is to without spot or wrinkle.
2 Pet 3:14 says Christians are to be without spot, blameless.
God is sinless, heaven is a place without sin, so the issue is how can Christians, who do sin (1 Jn 1:8-10), ever be perfect, spotless, blameless, holy, without wrinkle and enter a sinless place as heaven?
Col 1:28 "Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:"
When one is water baptized all his past sins are remitted (Acts 2:38), he is baptized into Christ (Gal 3:27). By remaining obedient in continually walking in the light, then Christ's blood continually cleanses away ALL sins the Christian commits (1 Jn 1:7) thereby keeping the Christian perfect, spotless, blameless, without wrinkle. But again, being perfect/spotless/blameless can only take place as long as the Christian obediently remains in Christ Jesus
It takes obedience to get in Christ Jesus, it takes obedience to remain in Christ Jesus therefore being perfect/spotless/blameless requires a sustained obedience.
100 percent perfection in terms of sinlessness- is impossible for humans. Being a mature, biblically grounded christian in a good church is not impossible.. and this is what the bible is saying for us to be like.
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Bro, being MATURE (Huios) biblically grounded Christ follower is not impossible.. You just described a perfect sinless Christian right there. As humbly and as loving as i can say it, you contradicted yourself in that statement.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I don't think you got what my post was saying.
I was saying being a mature biblically grounded Christ follower IS possible.. but not a perfectly sinless person.
Even a mature biblically grounded Christ follower in a good church still sins from time to time.
Perfectly sinless and mature are not the same thing.
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Bro, being MATURE (Huios) biblically grounded Christ follower is not impossible.. You just described a perfect sinless Christian right there. As humbly and as loving as i can say it, you contradicted yourself in that statement.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I don't think you got what my post was saying.
I was saying being a mature biblically grounded Christ follower IS possible.. but not a perfectly sinless person.
Even a mature biblically grounded Christ follower in a good church still sins from time to time.
Perfectly sinless and mature are not the same thing.