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Grace is the fact you are a new creation, so as you have stated, if we do not follow Jesus commands it is because we are not renewed in our mind to the fact we are a new creation. Does this mean we don't need grace? No. It means we are continually abiding and growing in grace because we are continually realizing who we are now in Christ.
And this results in being more like Christ not less. And Christ was the fulfillment of the law, which is love. The difference my is that we do not love because we have to, we love because He first loved us. Not to keep some requirement, but because His law is written on our heart and mind.
So in fact grace empowers holiness. It does not detract from it. Religion and legalism detract from holiness because they make the ways of God a requirement instead of from a cheerful obedient heart of a son.
And this results in being more like Christ not less. And Christ was the fulfillment of the law, which is love. The difference my is that we do not love because we have to, we love because He first loved us. Not to keep some requirement, but because His law is written on our heart and mind.
So in fact grace empowers holiness. It does not detract from it. Religion and legalism detract from holiness because they make the ways of God a requirement instead of from a cheerful obedient heart of a son.
Faith abides in and does Jesus' words BECAUSE it's alive in Christ. Dead faith does not abide in and do Jesus' words and produce fruit in order to become alive but BECAUSE it's alive (Ephesians 2:5-10). Faith is the root and works are the fruit of salvation. We must not put the cart before the horse.
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We need saved because we have sinned.
We are dead to God because of our sin
We are headed to hell because of our sin.
For those of us who truly believe this, and repent and come to God in true faith. Licentious behavior would be th elast things on our mind.
A licentious person has never had faith in God. because he does not believe everything God said.. Thats why he loves his sin.
If people do not see this, they need their eyes examined.
You're trying to establish this idea that there is something called true faith, or alive faith, that has some intrinsic quality that sets it apart from dead faith. Scripture witnesses of no such thing, but simply says that faith without works is dead. Faith is simply believing what GOD says and acting on it. But you are trying to ascribe some quality of intrinsic life to faith, kind of like Catholics give magical quality to baptismal water.
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Well, the truth is a right belief in Jesus Christ alone for salvation that caused someone to pass from death unto life (would have taken place) Because he who has the Son has life and he who has not the Son of God has not life but the wrath of God abides on him.
That one who has passed from death UNTO life would produce the outward manifestations of what Jesus is doing in him or her. Because they are a new creation., sealed by the Holy Spirit and made righteous in Christ.
That one who has passed from death UNTO life would produce the outward manifestations of what Jesus is doing in him or her. Because they are a new creation., sealed by the Holy Spirit and made righteous in Christ.
did we learn about a, saviour. v sinner
i am a gentile. etc
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men Romans 5
would this one act be before or after a resurrection.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, etc
i am a gentile. etc
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men Romans 5
would this one act be before or after a resurrection.
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, etc
It was because the believers there were arguing over who was the "greatest", BECAUSE of who baptized them. "I'm a follower of Peter" "well, I'M a follower of John, so I'm more righteous than YOU".... that kind of thing.
Paul said that because of that reason, he was glad that he had not baptized any more of them than he had, so that none of them could boast of being baptized by Paul.
Remember... the FIRST thing Paul did after regaining his sight was to get up, and go be baptized. It was important to him.
Paul said that because of that reason, he was glad that he had not baptized any more of them than he had, so that none of them could boast of being baptized by Paul.
Remember... the FIRST thing Paul did after regaining his sight was to get up, and go be baptized. It was important to him.
Living faith - Ephesians 2:5-8 - made alive together with Christ by grace through faith/created in Christ Jesus unto good works (Ephesians 2:10) is set apart from an empty profession of faith/dead faith that merely claims to be genuine faith but demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead (James 2:14-24). You seem to think that ALL faith is the same "except for the lack of works" and cannot seem to grasp this DEEPER faith that trusts in Christ alone for salvation. This explains why you have so much faith in works.
I just showed you the witness from Scripture about living faith vs. dead faith. "Faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead UNTIL it produces works and works become the source of life in faith, but that if someone claims to have faith yet they produce no works (given time to produce them - James 2:15-16) then they demonstrate that their faith is dead. Believers do not feed and clothe the poor or produce multiple acts of obedience/good works a split second after they place their faith in Christ for salvation and are saved. It takes some time. Saved by grace through faith/created in Christ FIRST then unto/for good works. Something that is dead cannot produce anything.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1). Acting on it "out of faith" is works. You still don't understand the difference. You wrap up faith AND works in a package and simply stamp "faith" on the package making no distinction between faith AND works. Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I didn't understand the difference either. This remains a major stumbling block for you.
Faith is alive IN CHRIST. This is not simply some magical formula. Faith is only as good as the OBJECT that we place it in. 1 John 5:11 - And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
I just showed you the witness from Scripture about living faith vs. dead faith. "Faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead UNTIL it produces works and works become the source of life in faith, but that if someone claims to have faith yet they produce no works (given time to produce them - James 2:15-16) then they demonstrate that their faith is dead. Believers do not feed and clothe the poor or produce multiple acts of obedience/good works a split second after they place their faith in Christ for salvation and are saved. It takes some time. Saved by grace through faith/created in Christ FIRST then unto/for good works. Something that is dead cannot produce anything.
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1). Acting on it "out of faith" is works. You still don't understand the difference. You wrap up faith AND works in a package and simply stamp "faith" on the package making no distinction between faith AND works. Prior to my conversion, while still attending the Roman Catholic church, I didn't understand the difference either. This remains a major stumbling block for you.
Faith is alive IN CHRIST. This is not simply some magical formula. Faith is only as good as the OBJECT that we place it in. 1 John 5:11 - And the testimony is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
This brings out the essence of what I was saying. True faith to you is DEEPER faith. So for you it's not what you believe, but how you believe that determines the quality of faith. And this you describe as trusting in Christ alone for salvation, which translates into trusting in grace alone for salvation in which there are no requirements for obedience to GOD's voice (law, will). So instead of grace being the means whereby we become obedient to GOD's voice (word, will, law), grace itself becomes the law in which no obedience is required, except for believing that no obedience is required
the bible would say, license to sin, would be the jewish saying things like this.
Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be savedActs 15.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."Acts 15
and what paul said. was this. etc
10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15
being a saviour ,to believers, has no attachment to any law. (to keep it short)
this is to JaumeJ post. etc
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Acts 15: The Jerusalem Council
1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brothers, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be savedActs 15.5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them and to order them to keep the law of Moses."Acts 15
and what paul said. was this. etc
10 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."Acts 15
being a saviour ,to believers, has no attachment to any law. (to keep it short)
this is to JaumeJ post. etc
interpretation
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My problem with people who yell obedience, is they deny grace.
Perfect obedience is required. Anyone who falls short of that glory of God is judged rightly as a sinner, and condemned to hell apart from Grace.
People want to place us back under law. When the law could never save anyone.
One who teaches grace teaches that those who are saved by faith will work. they do not have to mention work. Because work is a byproduct of faith. Thus those who have TRUE Faith will work.
Teaching works teaches that people can do a few works and assume they are saved when they are not.. That is dangerous.
Perfect obedience is required. Anyone who falls short of that glory of God is judged rightly as a sinner, and condemned to hell apart from Grace.
People want to place us back under law. When the law could never save anyone.
One who teaches grace teaches that those who are saved by faith will work. they do not have to mention work. Because work is a byproduct of faith. Thus those who have TRUE Faith will work.
Teaching works teaches that people can do a few works and assume they are saved when they are not.. That is dangerous.
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Saved, By Gods mercy, Not by works of righteousness (good deeds) we have done.
No one is teaching we should sin more, In fact, a person truly saved by grace could never sin as much as he did before he was saved, that would be impossible.
Please. I beg of you. stop belitteling the work of God in a mans heart who is truly saved.
No one is teaching we should sin more, In fact, a person truly saved by grace could never sin as much as he did before he was saved, that would be impossible.
Please. I beg of you. stop belitteling the work of God in a mans heart who is truly saved.