Be saved by Grace

notuptome · May 9, 2016

Grace only means wholly apart from our works. Grace is Gods pity for us. Wretched and unworthy to the extreme God still loved us and saved us by grace.

Those who desire to be disobedient are going to be disobedient without respect to Christ or grace.

Those who have received salvation by grace are not going to return to disobedience but if they should God will correct them like He will any of His precious children. Hebrews tells us God scourges every one that He loves.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

mailmandan · May 9, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Faith that saves is a DEEPER faith that trusts exclusively in Christ for salvation and is not simply "mental assent" belief in the existence and historical facts about Christ. The demons believe that "there is one God" (James 2:19) but they do not believe/entrust their spiritual well being to Christ; have faith/reliance upon Christ for salvation (Acts 16:31). Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in Heaven and continuous evil works.

What and how you believe matters. It's also not about simply believing in your head but believing in your heart. Many people believe in their "head" that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened" but many people don't believe in their heart/trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Instead, they trust in works for salvation.

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. Grace is not a license to sin, but a license to obey God. Only genuine believers obey God's voice. Without faith it's impossible to please God.

*Grace is the unmerited favor of God. It is where God shows us mercy, kindness, and patience instead of the judgment that we deserve for sinning against Him. God's grace cannot be earned by our actions or sincerity. Grace is based on the character of God and not on our sincerity, performance, or ability to keep the law. Otherwise, grace would not be grace.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

Gal. 2:21, "I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly."

2 Timothy 1:9, "who has saved us, and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was granted us in Christ Jesus from all eternity."

*We have been saved by grace (unmerited favor) through faith and not by works, yet grace is also the free and benevolent influence of a holy God (God's empowerment) operating sovereignly in the lives of believers.

1 Corinthians 15:10 - But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me.

2 Corinthians 1:12 - For our proud confidence is this: the testimony of our conscience, that in holiness and godly sincerity, not in fleshly wisdom but in the grace of God, we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you.

2 Corinthians 12:9 - And He has said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness." Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may dwell in me.

JaumeJ · May 9, 2016

When and where have you ev er seen me post to the contrary.

It seems to me, anyone who experiences the love and salvation of Jesus Christ is eternally grateful, and the word "obedience" will not frighten anyone is such a state.

I am saved by grace for the umpteenth time.

I KNOW Jesus Christ has paid the price for my sin.

I also know Jesus Christ is our Example to follow in His path. I am being perfected and this perfection will be completed by God, Himself, on His Day, for He began a work in me teh moment I was saved.

Doing all we are given to be as much like Jesus Christ is our due, and for me, it is also a wonderful passtime, though I know the perfection comes from the righteousness of Jesus Christ in me.

Please do not teach that grace is license to be purposely disobedient. Grace provides when the Father look s upon that He does not see our sin nor count it against us...because of Jesus Christ within.

If anyone here thinks grace permits deliberate and constant sin as a lifestyle, I am afraid this point of view is utter darkeness and shows no gratitude whatsoever.

I will always refer to the mind of Christ for importan actions and conduct.

eternally-gratefull said:

eternally-gratefull · May 9, 2016

JaumeJ said:

I am not frightened by obedience.

I am frightened for those led astray by works by those who teach obedience.

Yes, But do you believe that he who began a good work in you WILL. Not MIGHT, Complete it until the day of christ? when we are all ressurected to glory?

We owed God perfection the day we were born. We failed to live up to that standard, and fall short of that glory.

Why do you think God came to the cross. Because we could not give him what he deserves, or what we owe God.. we incured a debt, and that debt has condemned us.. As paul said Abraham was not found by works, but by faith.. the more we try to work the more debt we owe.. And we will never be able to pay that debt.

Never taught this a day in my life. The only people who teach this are people who love sin, not God. and you think they are saved? ever have been saved? were saved then lost salvation?

Say it is not so!!

Not one person here has ever stated this..

and this strawman argument is getting old. How long do we have to carry this on..

Then teach grace and stop demanding people live a life they can not possibly live (sinless) because anything that falls short of this, is disobedience, and not true obedience.

Gods demand is perfection. If you can not live up to this standard, you have fallen short.

I can't live up to this standard, so I will continue to praise God for saving a wretched soul like me.

and continue to oppose them who teach obedience as a requirement for salvation.

JaumeJ · May 9, 2016

When you do not have the law insc4rived in your inwardparts, on your heart, perhaps you can say you do not believe there is anything wrong with stealing,lying, killing dishonoring God, dishonoring your parents.............etc.

When you do not have teh law inscribed within, perhaps you may say it s just fine to move an ancient marker or your neighbors property boundaries. There are so much true wisdom one may deny if the law has not beenn inscribed within.

No man is perfect except Jesus Chrsit, b ut because I am grateful to Him for all He did, does and will do, I will say "yes my beloved Masster" to whatever I believe He would like me to do.

No, I do not earn anyting for this except the peace of mind that I am doing all possible to show my gratitude, and I pray to do this eternally.

I have never atytempted, nor will I attempt to tach anyone that grace means we do not obey our Master and Savior... No, I cannot do this for I am esternally grateful, as I believe you are.

Zmouth · May 9, 2016

So is simply believing something is true actually faith? So if one believes that God created a man and a woman named Adam and Eve then what are the chances they would even consider that they could be wrong?

Oh, but God created Adam and Eve because that is what is written in the Bible.

Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. Genesis 5:2

Of course it didn't mean the male and female were named Adam, it obviously mean that he called mankind Adam because the woman named was Eve, even the scripture cited says that the serpent beguiled Eve so the name of the female had to have been Eve.

17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Gen 3:17-20 Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

So if we are saved by grace, through faith, and not of works lest any man should boast then is your hope in His grace or your faith?

eternally-gratefull · May 9, 2016

JaumeJ said:

Yet God said HE WROTE HIS LAW ON OUR HEARTS.

So I fail to see what your arguing about. Your talking about those who have never been saved, Not those who have been born again by Gods grace..

And you do not think we would do this? If you do, or think it is even possible. all you know is you do not know us at all..

So doing works gives you peace of min, Not entering into Gods rest? Did Not god say come to me, all who are labor and hevey laden, and he would GIVE US REST? When did he ever tell us to work for that rest?

Can;t you see why this is so dangerous to our thoughts and our motives? and makes us look at self, and away from God?

Why would you even need to teach them that? The only people I have ever heard even say this are those trying to earn salvation, and do not even know grace at all. Everyone I know who understand grace KNOWS it is by grace that they become obedience, not by willpower or self help.

Grace empowers obedience, Obedience does not empower grace?

Again, Your to focused on self and willpower. and not the power of God. frankly, this scares me..

I want to believe you are eternally grateful for Gods work in you.. I pray for it.. But I do not hear you teach it, and that is scary! thus I fear for you my friend..

JaumeJ · May 9, 2016

My code of conduct is inscribed within with the entrance of the Holy Spirit.

No one can argue agains obediente in truth. Read Ephesians.

How grace is to be cared for is in Romans.

Common sense dictates there is no wrong doing in obedience while it also is clear that disobedience is of Satan.

Grandpa · May 9, 2016

Romans 10:3-10
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

eternally-gratefull · May 9, 2016

JaumeJ said:

when you mix obedience with grace for salvation. You mix works and grace.

When you teach a saved person how to find power over sin. You teach the power of God in grace

That is where you and I fail to find common ground..You find the first to be true, while I find the second.

Gods standard for salvation is perfection. No one fulfilled that standard but christ, Yet people teach we can live that standard all the time. by teaching obedience.

Grace777x70 · May 9, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

Amen EG..( BTW welcome back..haven't seen you for awhile )

it is so easy for us to attempt to fulfill God's word by the flesh and not by the spirit.

We can see the differences between doing things in our flesh - our own human effort to fulfill the words of God - and between the Holy Spirit bearing fruit in us as He transforms us.

Look at the life of Abraham - he tried to fulfill all of "God's word" to him by creating an Ishmael. This is human effort at it's finest ( Abraham didn't seem to fight about taking Hagar as Sarah said for some reason.. ...I wonder what was up with that? )

Instead when both Abraham and Sarah were past their human ability to "perform the word of God"..that's when God stepped in and gave them the ability to conceive the son of the promise.

This is the difference between trying to live by Jesus' teachings in our flesh and by the Holy Spirit within living from His life inside of us because of being in Christ.

He is the Vine - we are the branches. Branches do not produce fruit - it's the life of the plant that bears fruit in the branches. No one can produce fruit in their lives by what "they do" by their flesh...it's only by the life of Christ flowing through and in us.

This is the difference from follow the teachings of Jesus and Christ living His life in and through us.

Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Outwardly they look the same - doing things by the self-effort of the flesh and doing things by the Spirit. God does not recognize anything done by the flesh - no matter how good the intentions are. This includes following the teachings of Jesus by our flesh.

God told Abraham - "Take your son - your ONLY son and go..." God didn't recognize Ishmael as being a son along with Isaac - he is the son of the promise birthed by the life and power of God alone.

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 9, 2016

eternally-gratefull said:

With cleansing, we can live it all of the time. That's the whole purpose of salvation and GOD giving us the indwelling spirit.

Grandpa · May 9, 2016

If a person is given the gift of Salvation do they teach people how to work for it?

nope.

They teach how to receive the gift.

If a person has received the gift of obedience do they teach how to obey?

nope.

They teach how to receive the gift.

You didn't know obedience was a gift? How did you not know? Do you read the bible?

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

Its really simple. Isn't it? Or does it just seem that way AFTER we come to Christ???

FreeNChrist · May 9, 2016

Grandpa said:

When you think you have earned your salvation by your works, of course you are going to think you must work to keep it. And you are going to teach others that they must do as you do.

You raise an interesting point, was such a person ever actually saved? Hmmmmm....

HeRoseFromTheDead · May 9, 2016

Grandpa said:

So once we receive a gift we have to keep receiving it over and over and over? I don't think so. We receive a gift, and then we live in it. This reminds me of

“But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees—hypocrites!—because you shut the kingdom of heaven before people! For you do not enter, nor permit those wanting to go in to enter. Matthew 23:13

Grace777x70 · May 9, 2016

Grandpa said:

Amen...It seems simple to me Grandpa.

What I find interesting is the people that are attracted to threads about the grace of God for salvation by grace through faith in Christ's work - the ones that keep coming in to say you must "do" things in order to "maintain" the salvation that was freely given to us by believing in Christ. He is our salvation - not what we do.

This is very telling to me and I sincerely wonder about if they really know the Lord. They most certainly do not know the gospel of Christ. I find it baffling.

Grandpa · May 9, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Your post applies more to you than anyone else. Which is often the case, kind of weird.

A pharisee is one who thinks that the way to the kingdom of God is by his own works and his own righteousness.

Once you have received the gift you have entered into His Rest. Just keep reading Galatians 3:3 and perhaps something will click.

Then ask yourself the serious question, Is the Holy Spirit a gift? Is Salvation a gift?

Grandpa · May 9, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

James 4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

What should the people of Christ be asking for?

Ephesians 1:17-21
[SUP]17 [/SUP]That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
[SUP]18 [/SUP]The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

JaumeJ · May 9, 2016

You do have the law inscribed in your inward parts, or are the tablets of your heart a blank with the law still engraved on stone tablets elsewhere?

No one is mixing grace with anything. Our faith, a gift from the Father which has led us to Jesus Christ, witnesses to the law as being holy, and our faith establishes the law, with those three important points Jesus has taught, faith, justice and mercy.. When those three points are applied we know just how the law is to be exercised lawfully.

It is regrettable if any "grace onliers" have nothing inscribed on thier hearts, for this is tantamount to being a walking labido, acting with no conscience of having executed good or evil, but just doing what is self-gratifying..

Read what Paul teaches in Romans.........read all of the Epistles and the Gospels for that matter. Learn of God, that is, of Jesus, for He teaches exactly how to live in His grace........

eternally-gratefull said:

JaumeJ · May 9, 2016

Anyone wishing to cont6inue arguing we have no new code of conduct written on our hearts has nothing written on his heart, ergo he is not acting according to what the Holy Spirit has delivered to those who are truly in Jesus Christ. +

So, if your heart is a blank, ask for the infilling of the Holy Spirit to give you that new nature that knows by what has been inscribed there. God bless all who are in Jesus Christ and live in true grace, amen.

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