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It is important to believe Jesus.. We cannot reject a teaching of Jesus and say we are still a follower of Jesus covered by His Atonement.. We cannot cut out certain teachings of Jesus and then expect to be forgiven our transgressions agains that teaching when we state we are justified to not believe that teaching..

We need to accept the teachings of Jesus to be forgiven our transgressions against those teachings..

Jesus is the Word of God...

John 6:KJV

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that Ispeak unto you, they

are spirit, and theyare life.
 

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Good thoughts.........here...........let us start with this one.........

John
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1 .) Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 .) And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
3 .) Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
4 .) He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5 .) After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6 .) Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7 .) Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8 .) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9 .) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10 .) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11 .) For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12 .) So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 .) Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 .) If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 .) For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
16 .) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17 .) If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.



It is important to believe Jesus.. We cannot reject a teaching of Jesus and say we are still a follower of Jesus covered by His Atonement.. We cannot cut out certain teachings of Jesus and then expect to be forgiven our transgressions agains that teaching when we state we are justified to not believe that teaching..

We need to accept the teachings of Jesus to be forgiven our transgressions against those teachings..

Jesus is the Word of God...

John 6:KJV

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that Ispeak unto you, they

are spirit, and theyare life.
 
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Give us an example of what you mean....thanks
 
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I'm not trying to come off in a negative light, but if we don't share Christ with people until they're on their deathbed then we've solved the problem you brought up. Otherwise, sharing the Gospel too soon can be detrimental to one's eternal state of being. That said, I proclaim one can not lose their salvation.
 
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This, then, is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’


14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Matt 6:9-15

This is powerful stuff, things of the eternal Kingdom.

Father, who is the creator, in the heavens, glory be to Your name,
May Your rule and Kingdom come here to the world,
May Your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven,
Lord supply our needs, forgive us as we forgive others,
Help and lead us not to be tempted, and keep us from the evil one and his ways.

Now I have heard people claim this is not a prayer of us His people.
But there is nothing here we would not say or rejoice about, or agree with.

So such ideas are heresy and false teaching, yet some appear to embrace it
as if it is Gods teaching and truth, and teach it so.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Peter 2:1
 

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Good thoughts.........here...........let us start with this one.........

John
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1 .) Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
2 .) And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
3 .) Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
4 .) He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
5 .) After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
6 .) Then cometh he to Simon Peter: and Peter saith unto him, Lord, dost thou wash my feet?
7 .) Jesus answered and said unto him, What I do thou knowest not now; but thou shalt know hereafter.
8 .) Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
9 .) Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
10 .) Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
11 .) For he knew who should betray him; therefore said he, Ye are not all clean.
12 .) So after he had washed their feet, and had taken his garments, and was set down again, he said unto them, Know ye what I have done to you?
13 .) Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.
14 .) If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
15 .) For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
16 .) Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17 .) If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
I have no disagreement with what Jesus said there.. I believe that was in keeping with the call for us not to lord it over other people but to love and serve others.. So yes i believe that teaching of Jesus...

Not sure why you brought it up.. Seems like a simple one..
 

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This, then, is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.’


14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

Matt 6:9-15

This is powerful stuff, things of the eternal Kingdom.

Father, who is the creator, in the heavens, glory be to Your name,
May Your rule and Kingdom come here to the world,
May Your will be done on earth, as it is in heaven,
Lord supply our needs, forgive us as we forgive others,
Help and lead us not to be tempted, and keep us from the evil one and his ways.

Now I have heard people claim this is not a prayer of us His people.
But there is nothing here we would not say or rejoice about, or agree with.

So such ideas are heresy and false teaching, yet some appear to embrace it
as if it is Gods teaching and truth, and teach it so.

But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2 Peter 2:1
Believe Jesus:::
Matthew 6:
5 "¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. {6} But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
 

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Believe Jesus:

John 3:14 - And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. 18 He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 

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Romans 14:11
10Why, then, do you judge your brother? Or why do you belittle your brother? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. 11It is written: “As surely as I live, says the Lord, every knee will bow before Me; every tongue will confess to God.” 12So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.…

1 John 5:12-13
He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.
 

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John 6:28 - Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?" 29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.
 

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Give us an example of what you mean....thanks
My Opening post was a call for people to Believe Jesus as in All His teachings, His Word.. If we believe Him then we know Him and He knows us.. If we believe 90% of what He said and reject 10% of His message then we are not following Jesus but ""another jesus"" and ""another gospel""

There seems to me to be a lot of people who either have no idea as to the teachings of Jesus because they have never read the Bible, They have simply gone to a church and listened to preachers all their lives and think they know the Word of God who takes away the sins of the world.. My post was a warning to all to make sure they are following the real LORD Jesus Christ and not some make up fake jesus and some made up gospel of men..

So take it as a general warning to all who read it.. To seek His will through His word so that you know Him and are believing Him..
 
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I'm not trying to come off in a negative light, but if we don't share Christ with people until they're on their deathbed then we've solved the problem you brought up. Otherwise, sharing the Gospel too soon can be detrimental to one's eternal state of being. That said, I proclaim one can not lose their salvation.
and you would be right.....Ecclesiastes 3:14 is clear......Whatsoever God does it is everlasting......end of story....if God saves someone...they are saved forever....he does not do something half...!
 

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My Opening post was a call for people to Believe Jesus as in All His teachings, His Word.. If we believe Him then we know Him and He knows us.. If we believe 90% of what He said and reject 10% of His message then we are not following Jesus but ""another jesus"" and ""another gospel"
Only genuine believers are following Jesus and Jesus is God. Also, the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).

Those who reject that Jesus is God and teach a "different gospel" (JW's and Mormons for example) do not believe 100% of what Jesus said in His teachings, His Word.
 
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14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Because He has forgiven us in His Son of the eternal wage of sin, delivering us from eternal damnation to eternal life by giving us a new spirit that will never die......then we can forgive others. He does not forgive us because we forgive others.

That would be putting the plow before the bullock.Turning things upside down as did the apostates Jew who did not know Christ.

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the LORD my God.Surely after that I was turned, "I repented"; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon my thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Jer 31:18


He must do the first works of turning us towards Himself, by the hearing of His faith . No man can come of his own volition. A person cannot understand anything he does not see. All men a born spiritually blind and deaf being really dead (not suspended animation) in our trespasses and sins, again dead. .We walk by faith, His, that works in us not of our own selves..

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.Rom 3:10
 
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My Opening post was a call for people to Believe Jesus as in All His teachings, His Word.. If we believe Him then we know Him and He knows us.. If we believe 90% of what He said and reject 10% of His message then we are not following Jesus but ""another jesus"" and ""another gospel""

There seems to me to be a lot of people who either have no idea as to the teachings of Jesus because they have never read the Bible, They have simply gone to a church and listened to preachers all their lives and think they know the Word of God who takes away the sins of the world.. My post was a warning to all to make sure they are following the real LORD Jesus Christ and not some make up fake jesus and some made up gospel of men..

So take it as a general warning to all who read it.. To seek His will through His word so that you know Him and are believing Him..
I understand and I agree..

Would you agree that we need to interpret some things too in light of the New Covenant after Jesus died and rose again?

For example Jesus said "If your hand does something to offend - it is better to cut it off or if our eye offends - it would be better to gouge it out." Should we be doing those things now?

Jesus also told the religious lawyer that came to Him to ask about "what he must do to get eternal life". Jesus said - keep the commandments from Moses. Is that really what we do now in the New Covenant after Christ has died and rose again from the dead to inherit eternal life?

Of course not. If we could get eternal life by keeping laws - Jesus would never have to come.

I am a firm believer in interpreting all scripture through what Jesus has accomplished at the cross and resurrection. Without this "filter" - we will be mixing up the covenants and walking in a mess and we have really watered down the gospel and instead created a religion which uses the terms - Jesus, God, word of God, Holy Spirit ..etc.

 
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Jesus also told the religious lawyer that came to Him to ask about "what he must do to get eternal life". Jesus said - keep the commandments from Moses. Is that really what we do now in the New Covenant after Christ has died and rose again from the dead to inherit eternal life?

Now the two commandments Jesus was refering to is
1. Love God with everything, and
2. Love your neighbour as yourself

In the law of Christ these two still stand. We are called through the
power of the cross and love working in us to still fulfill this.

But the difference is we do not fulfill it because of the law, we have been
transformed to fulfill it because we are saints, following Jesus.

The attempt here is to say the faith has changed, rather than the faith has now
been empowered by the Holy Spirit in our hearts instructing us as to the law of Christ.

So there is no need for interpretation, that is for legalists who want to dismiss all
standards and live lawlessly yet justify it by arguing grace, which is totally miss-understood.
 
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Luke 10:25-26 (NASB)
[SUP]25 [/SUP] And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, "Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

[SUP]26 [/SUP] And He said to him, "What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?"

Then there is also the rich young ruler. He too asked what "he must do to inherit eternal life".

Jesus gave him the Law of Moses.

Jesus will always give you the Law when we say "what must "I" do " because it will expose your self-righteousness and show us our need for a Savior.

Luke 18:18-23 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A ruler questioned Him, saying, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"

[SUP]19 [/SUP] And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.

[SUP]20 [/SUP] "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"

[SUP]21 [/SUP] And he said, "All these things I have kept from my youth."

[SUP]22 [/SUP] When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."

[SUP]23 [/SUP] But when he had heard these things, he became very sad, for he was extremely rich.

As it turns out the rich young ruler had money as his "god" and he had broke the very first commandment in the Law of Moses.

We all know that keeping the law of Moses is not what we do in the New Covenant to have Christ's life - it is to believe in all that Jesus has done for us in the New Covenant. In Him was life. Jesus alone is the Way to true Life.
 
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Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another,
for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law.
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,”
“You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command
there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Roman 13:8-10

That above quote is Paul preaching who also preaches grace.
Grace is unbounded love through the cross which is now on the throne of our hearts
when we are in Christ.

But this only comes to pass when we have truly repented of our sins, confessed
of the sins and our desire to walk in righteousness and faith in the cross for the
forgiveness of our sins. So many fail because they have not in their hearts done
or realised this reality.

So much fake following, easy believism comes from not recognising our true need
of love and Christ, openness and honest about where and who we are.
 
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The truth plain and simple,is there is no excuse why we cannot abstain from sin,and act like Christ,for the same power that the man Christ Jesus had to be sinless,is given to the saints,the Holy Spirit.

Although we can sin if we desire to sin,we can abstain from sin if we desire to abstain from sin.

A Spirit led life will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit,so a Spirit led life can abstain from sin.

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,and the law is spiritual,holy,just,and good,the moral laws,laws of love,so since those laws are spiritual,and in the New Testament it is spiritual,then they must be obeyed,and established,which can be done by the Spirit.

That is the purpose of the Spirit to help us to fulfill the law,by abstaining from fleshy pleasures,and to love people perfectly,which is the only way we can be right with God.The Spirit causes us to be like Christ,not have Christ's righteousness imputed on us alone,and our lifestyle does not matter for we are only human,but to act like Christ and establish the law by obeying it,which in the Old Testament they could not do it perfectly not being able to receive the Spirit,but in the New Testament it can be done by the Spirit.

There is no excuse for by the Holy Spirit we can abstain from sin,and act like Christ,and if the power is there to cause you to be like Christ,and abstain from sin,and love people perfectly,do you think God is going to say,that is alright you did not have to act like Christ,and feed the poor,and abstain from money,and material things,and treat people right,if you did not want to,which God would not say that,for that is what the people thought that said,Lord,Lord,why can't we dwell with you,and Jesus said they were workers of iniquity,they thought it was alright not to have to abstain from sin,but they repented when they sinned,but they would not let it go but held unto it,but if the power is there to cause a person to act like Christ,then there is no excuse.

That is why the Son,the man Christ Jesus,is the Judge,for He made it to heaven,so nobody has an excuse,and everybody will be judged according to His lifestyle on earth,which they can achieve by the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says they have a form of godliness,but deny the power thereof,lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God,ever learning and never able to come to the truth that God requires them to abstain from sin,and act like Christ,to have eternal life.

They wanted their flesh to be in control instead of the Spirit,all the while they thought they were alright.

And a lot of people believe that,the righteousness of Christ is imputed to them,but do not act like Christ entirely,but have a form of worldliness about them,and think we are only human and cannot abstain from sin.Millions of them wandering about with that attitude.

But if by the Spirit we can abstain from sin,how is there an excuse is someone is not serious about abstaining from sin,and not wanting sin.

The truth is they want the sin,but they want to make an excuse why they cannot abstain from sin,for they do not try very hard at trying to beat it at times,for even if we could not abstain from sin would they not at least give it their best effort to abstain from sin,seeing God hates sin,and sin separates us from God,but they do not try very hard at beating sin,and I have seen it time and time again,as they love some of the things in the world,and enjoy them,not putting in an effort to beat it,but think it is alright,and the biggest one is the loving money,and material things,department,that neglects the poor and needy.

Pro 30:11 There is a generation that curseth their father, and doth not bless their mother.
Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

The last generation of mankind before Jesus comes back,that will be so obsessed with money,that they will not care for the poor,and needy,which there is 8 people on this planet,that has as much money as half the population of the world.

Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked.

And it appears as if a lot of people who claim to be with Christ are in on the devouring the poor from off the earth,and the needy from among men.

There is not excuse why we cannot abstain from sin,for we have the same power as the man Christ Jesus,the Holy Spirit,and all who do not measure up to His lifestyle,led by the Spirit,and establish the law,is not right with God.

And again I say,there is no excuse,which I am not saying I might not sin,for time is still ahead of me,but I will admit I cannot do it,and have to give up all sin to be right with God.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Jas 5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

A person that claims Jesus as Lord and Savior,that is in a state of sin in their life that they will not let go,has erred from the truth,and needs to be converted,and if they give up all sin,and is led by the Spirit,their soul shall be saved from death,and shall hide a multitude of sins for they gave them up,so while they are in a state of holding unto sin and will not let it go,their soul is not in a right state,for when they are converted by giving up all sins,it saves their soul from death,so a person that claims Jesus holds unto to sin and will not let it go,their soul is not in a right state.

Will thou argue about the truth,for how can you,and how can people think we do not have to act like Christ entirely to be right with God,but those preachers of this sort have persuaded many people.
 

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I bring it up based on the OP.

And because many folks do not see this as Jesus "teaching" His Church. They see it as some sort of "symbolic thingy." Either we believe Jesus when He says something, or we deny Him. In this instance, He was quite clear, yet so very many in the Church who profess to believe Him do not obey Him according to this teaching. They want to justify their disobedience by trying to ascribe "symbolic meanings" and thus relieve themselves of the need to be obedient.



I have no disagreement with what Jesus said there.. I believe that was in keeping with the call for us not to lord it over other people but to love and serve others.. So yes i believe that teaching of Jesus...

Not sure why you brought it up.. Seems like a simple one..