Benefits of Speaking, Praying, and Singing in Tongues

[miknik5]

All that is happening here in this thread is the same thing that happened in the Church at Corinth


glorifying gifts suggesting because they can do this and another in the BODY can't do it that they were somehow better

It is not true that all in the BODY are an eye or an ear
of that were the case how could it be a BODY (of many diverse parts) all working together for the whole of THE BODY?


thats what Paul was saying in this above chapter

 

[miknik5]

Some poster popped in and said "where is the love" he couldn't see that part

and he was right

all this has become is the tearing down of the BODY
Not building it up


we are not a body apart from even the least member of THE BODY

Abd in fact it is the least of the member whom we are called to serve until we all reach the unity of FAITH

Which by the way, is not based on our receiving the full manifestation of the gifts of THE SPIRIT but our keeping our eyes on THE LORD and HIM alone

 

[miknik5]

The gifts and provisions for our walk as believers on earth cease when we are gone from here. You make this an either / or issue when theee issue is always Christ. No one but you are proclaiming love for the provision more than love for the Savoir. I see this all the time when Christians who do not have a certain blessing get annoyed at those who do. Whether it be the blessings of healing or money or gifts of the Spirit. It is God Who gives the gifts and the blessings. And He does it based on the goodness of His Son not on our goodness.

Judging one another for the gifts or lack of the gift is both wrong. As one believer said this morning in one of these threads .,.. IT'S TIME FOR US TO GROW UP!!!

Grow up?

You mean unto the full measure of CHRIST?
fit for every good work (and able to discern every good work wrought in GOD) which HE (alone) prepared in advance that we should walk in?

 

[peacefulbeliever]

so an eye can hear and an arm can walk

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? if the whole were the hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it has pleased him. . . . And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of you: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. . .

It is God who energizes each believer. In the church, God may energize someone to prophesy . . . someone to heal . . . someone to speak in tongues and interpret, . . . ONE will not be ENERGIZED to do it ALL - that is why he says are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? - It is the Lord who distributes and energizes as it pleases him. That is why we need each other as a whole.

 

[miknik5]

The gifts and provisions for our walk as believers on earth cease when we are gone from here. You make this an either / or issue when theee issue is always Christ. No one but you are proclaiming love for the provision more than love for the Savoir. I see this all the time when Christians who do not have a certain blessing get annoyed at those who do. Whether it be the blessings of healing or money or gifts of the Spirit. It is God Who gives the gifts and the blessings. And He does it based on the goodness of His Son not on our goodness.

Judging one another for the gifts or lack of the gift is both wrong. As one believer said this morning in one of these threads .,.. IT'S TIME FOR US TO GROW UP!!!

I want you to understand clearly that I am not annoyed
i know what I have received when I first heard the gospel and believed and I don't care if all the gifts are removed from
me I will still preach THE BEST PART

Faith directed in and on CHRIST JESUS alone to save and HIS SUFFICIENCY in saving all who believe and call on HIS NAME

 

[miknik5]

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? if the whole were the hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it has pleased him. . . . And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of you: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. . .

It is God who energizes each believer. In the church, God may energize someone to prophesy . . . someone to heal . . . someone to speak in tongues and interpret, . . . ONE will not be ENERGIZED to do it ALL - that is why he says are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? - It is the Lord who distributes and energizes as it pleases him. That is why we need each other as a whole.

Which part of THE BODY do you think is full and complete and self-sufficient?

 

[Jackson123]

I believe every gift has a benefite. God doesn't give anything unnecessary. Many thing need really to be prayed but we do not know. Speak in tounges, are prayers that we do not know that it is necessary

i read a story, a girl in Central Java was very sad, worry for her mother who was mentally ill. She learn mysticism hope to help cure her mom. It fail, her friend invite her to Jesus. Her friend prayed for her, and the lord give her a gift of speake in tounge

while she was in her room, she speak in tounge, out of the blue, her roomed cray, she do not speak Chinese, her roomed does, and she do not know what she talking about.

her roomed told her on her prayed she speak Chinese in 3 dialect that her roomed understand, and in her prayed she declaring her past sins and invite her to repent and accept Jesus.
She repeat it 3 time the same prayed but in 3 dialect.
what amazed her roomed was, her roomed know she do not speak Chinese, and how she know her past sins, while she was from another island. It make her roomed accept the Lord.

her roomed ask her to prayed for her, but because she herself was new Christian and did not know what to do, she call her pastor and ask if she can bring her friend to him, her pastor agree, she went there, forget she had appointment with her boy friend. Amazingly on the way to her, her non Christian boy friend saw a vision instructed him to go to that address. He follow that instruction and they meet them in the pastor house, 3 of them amazed what happen and ask pastor to be baptized

 

[joaniemarie]

Grow up?

You mean unto the full measure of CHRIST?
fit for every good work (and able to discern every good work wrought in GOD) which HE (alone) prepared in advance that we should walk in?

EXACTLY! We should at least be on that road of discovery. We don't get the realization all at once., it comes in time as we walk the walk by faith. But we each have to be willing to learn and not hinder the growth process by our pre conceived ideas about Jesus. We should be learning more and more every day about His Person and what it means to be IN Christ. And yes., that understanding will and should be growing as He is revealed in and through us by His Spirit.

 

[miknik5]

If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? if the whole were the hearing, where were the smelling? But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it has pleased him. . . . And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of you: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. . .

It is God who energizes each believer. In the church, God may energize someone to prophesy . . . someone to heal . . . someone to speak in tongues and interpret, . . . ONE will not be ENERGIZED to do it ALL - that is why he says are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? - It is the Lord who distributes and energizes as it pleases him. That is why we need each other as a whole.

So you agree?

that GOD will "energize" as HE chooses so that "someone" will do this and "someone" will do that?

 

[miknik5]

Do all speak in tongues?
Should all speak in tongues?
Will all speak in tongues?

 

[plainguy]

Judging one another for the gifts or lack of the gift is both wrong. As one believer said this morning in one of these threads .,.. IT'S TIME FOR US TO GROW UP!!!

Interestingly enough, this is exactly what Paul was telling the Corinthians who were given and misusing the gift of tongues during the apostolic era. Respectfully .. to all pentecostals and charismatics, .. I do not believe that what we see today in regards to tongues is the work of God's Holy Spirit. None will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

All that is happening here in this thread is the same thing that happened in the Church at Corinth


glorifying gifts suggesting because they can do this and another in the BODY can't do it that they were somehow better

It is not true that all in the BODY are an eye or an ear
of that were the case how could it be a BODY (of many diverse parts) all working together for the whole of THE BODY?


thats what Paul was saying in this above chapter

May I ask where is the "glorifying gifts"? Where has anybody "bragged" that they can do this or that and others can't; or that they are better than anyone else?

Some poster popped in and said "where is the love" he couldn't see that part

and he was right

all this has become is the tearing down of the BODY
Not building it up


we are not a body apart from even the least member of THE BODY

Abd in fact it is the least of the member whom we are called to serve until we all reach the unity of FAITH

Which by the way, is not based on our receiving the full manifestation of the gifts of THE SPIRIT but our keeping our eyes on THE LORD and HIM alone

I apologize but I do not see any tearing down of the body . . .

 

[joaniemarie]

I believe every gift has a benefite. God doesn't give anything unnecessary. Many thing need really to be prayed but we do not know. Speak in tounges, are prayers that we do not know that it is necessary

i read a story, a girl in Central Java was very sad, worry for her mother who was mentally ill. She learn mysticism hope to help cure her mom. It fail, her friend invite her to Jesus. Her friend prayed for her, and the lord give her a gift of speake in tounge

while she was in her room, she speak in tounge, out of the blue, her roomed cray, she do not speak Chinese, her roomed does, and she do not know what she talking about.

her roomed told her on her prayed she speak Chinese in 3 dialect that her roomed understand, and in her prayed she declaring her past sins and invite her to repent and accept Jesus.
She repeat it 3 time the same prayed but in 3 dialect.
what amazed her roomed was, her roomed know she do not speak Chinese, and how she know her past sins, while she was from another island. It make her roomed accept the Lord.

her roomed ask her to prayed for her, but because she herself was new Christian and did not know what to do, she call her pastor and ask if she can bring her friend to him, her pastor agree, she went there, forget she had appointment with her boy friend. Amazingly on the way to her, her non Christian boy friend saw a vision instructed him to go to that address. He follow that instruction and they meet them in the pastor house, 3 of them amazed what happen and ask pastor to be baptized

Just goes to show the Holy Spirit is working in the lives of the church even today just as amazingly has He did when the church was first starting. He does miracles all the time all over the earth but only those who believe that will see it. To the others this story means nothing but a bunch of earthly coincidences.

 

[miknik5]

May I ask where is the "glorifying gifts"? Where has anybody "bragged" that they can do this or that and others can't; or that they are better than anyone else?

I apologize but I do not see any tearing down of the body . . .

You don't see this as carnal bickering and tearing down of the BODY

Conaider the weaker members who look to you as the stronger member
Here you are implying that the weaker member is not where he/she should be in CHRIST's BODY. That he must exhibit the fullamifestations of the gifts of THE APIROT (as some sort of indicator of what? Faith?)

As if he/she must work to build up his/her stature in CHRIST by asking for manifestations of THE GIFTS of THE HOLY SPIRIT
CHRIST gives and enables and prepares those whom HW prepared in advance for HIS PURPOSE

These babies, if they are IN CHRIST, are where they should be if indeed they are baptized into CHRIST and have HIS SPIRIT living in and directing them as HE chooses


the stronger members are supposed to look out for the weaker nembwrs

Not cause them confusion or doubt that their faith is faith because they don't have the same visible signs as their older stronger brothers seem to have

HE gave some to be teachers, some to be apostles, for the purpose of building up HIS BODY until we all reach the UNITY of daoth

agaon, not directed in the gifts but rightly directed in HIM

 

[miknik5]

Just goes to show the Holy Spirit is working in the lives of the church even today just as amazingly has He did when the church was first starting. He does miracles all the time all over the earth but only those who believe that will see it. To the others this story means nothing but a bunch of earthly coincidences.

This story means more than speaking in tongues when there is no one to interpret what is being said (for the benefit of the whole body) because we are publicly speaking about tongues therefore there should be at least one to interpret what is being saidif not, then it is private, personal edification


thos story means that possibly one beloeved and was saved

especially if the one who propecird at least went further and gave the glory to CHRIST as the ONE who had given him this information

 

[miknik5]

No one said you can't speak in tongues
but no one is allowed to tell others that they have to

 

[peacefulbeliever]

So you agree?

that GOD will "energize" as HE chooses so that "someone" will do this and "someone" will do that?

1 Cor. 12 Now concerning spiritual gifts . . the word gifts has been added (also in 1 Cor. 14:1, 13:2a, 14:12, 14:37a). There are a wide variety of spiritual matters being discussed not just spiritual gifts - so it's speaking of spiritual things or things of the Spirit . . . 1 Cor. 12:4 "gifts" . . . 1 Cor. 12:5 "service" . . . 1 Cor. 12:6 "working" or "energizings" . . . 1 Cor. 12:7-10 "manifestations"

I believe that every born again believer can manifest the gift of holy Spirit - 1 Cor. 12:7

I believe that every born again believer has a function within the church; i.e. the body. - we are members in particular and God has set us in the church as to our abilities - some are stronger in some areas than others - some are weaker in some areas than others - BUT one cannot do without the other.

I believe that the manifestation of the Spirit are listed in 1 Cor. 12:8-10.

that GOD will "energize" as HE chooses so that "someone" will do this and "someone" will do that? . . . probably not in the way YOU mean it . . . Each believer has been given the gift of holy Spirit - no believer is left out. The gift of holy Spirit has nine manifestations. Each individual believer manifest that gift in nine different ways - ALL are energized by the Lord. We all have the ability to manifest the Spirit that is born within us.

I believe that it is God who energizes whom he will at any given time to operate said manifestation BUT that doesn't mean that ALL are not able to manifest. If God energized us all at one time . . . nothing would be done decently and in order.

 

[wolfwint]

. . . the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man for the common good . . . .

Every believer is born again of the Spirit - correct?

God is Spirit - correct? His Spirit communicates with my spirit - correct? Then God will aid me in discerning spirits as he will everyone born of his Spirit.

Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ and you shall receive the gift of holy Spirit . . . so everyone who repents and is baptized receives the gift of holy Spirit - correct?

Then everyone who has been born of the Spirit can manifest the manifestations of the Spirit - 1 Cor. 12:7-10

Some will utilize the gift God has given them - some will not . . . because they can't? Nope - because they do not know they can and some believe the things listed are "special" gifts for only a select few . . . That is the problem.

You don't have to believe me . . . just read what is plainly written.

This I do and I dont come to your concluSinn. When Paul wrote about gift lists as he did also in Romans 12 and ephesians 4 it is clear that not the same Person get all the gifts ore the same gifts. IT makes no sense if we read that Paul compare sich the church with a human body, if everybody can have all gifts. The ear can be eye and leg and arm to the same time. There is a purpose when Paul compare sich the church with the human body. Which purpose? To show that all are needed to work together and that all gifts have the same worth in Front of God. Nobody should be proud to have a better gift then the other.
Exactly this we found today in the church! And a special role we find in the so called sign gifts. This is going so far that some Christians claim to more spirituell because they have this gifts. Others telling without the gift of speaking in tongues and Christian is not a real Christian.
For to proof that all christians can have the gift of speaking in tongues you have to ignore scripture and create a new doctrine.

 

[miknik5]

And churches speaking in tongues with no one to interpret what is being said shouldn't be doing that

 

[plainguy]

And churches speaking in tongues with no one to interpret what is being said shouldn't be doing that

They aren't speaking in biblical tongues of old. They just think they are.