Bible Violence vs the Quran

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eternally-gratefull

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from all the responses, I have to assume no one has actually read the article. I have yet to see a response that deals with the article.

There are some good points in it. And the persons main point is realistic from the world view. If Christians who are told to love even enemy, go to war. why would a christian blame islam? it makes us hypocrites.

My response. Rome was not christian. They also were not fighting under Gods command, or by order of the scripture. Where Islam was.

The problem is I think that christianity is such a broad term..
 
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kaylagrl

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eternally-gratefull said:
from all the responses, I have to assume no one has actually read the article. I have yet to see a response that deals with the article.

There are some good points in it. And the persons main point is realistic from the world view. If Christians who are told to love even enemy, go to war. why would a christian blame islam? it makes us hypocrites.

My response. Rome was not christian. They also were not fighting under Gods command, or by order of the scripture. Where Islam was.

The problem is I think that christianity is such a broad term..
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The author is not a Christian,I figured that was obvious. He made some good points and I assumed people would take it for what it was worth and open a discussion on the subject.Thanks for taking the time to read the article.
 
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kaylagrl

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lastofall said:
Wherefore would you be interested in the secular world's view about anything? or anything other than the Word of God as your interest?
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Sheesh ! Folks post all kinds of articles that are secular.Did you read any of the article? I wanted to discuss the ideas in it.If you didn't read the article then you cannot discuss it.Please read it before making comments.
 
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BeyondET

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eternally-gratefull said:
from all the responses, I have to assume no one has actually read the article. I have yet to see a response that deals with the article.

There are some good points in it. And the persons main point is realistic from the world view. If Christians who are told to love even enemy, go to war. why would a christian blame islam? it makes us hypocrites.

My response. Rome was not christian. They also were not fighting under Gods command, or by order of the scripture. Where Islam was.

The problem is I think that christianity is such a broad term..
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I've read it, and my view of the article differs than your view of it,, that's about it.. lol
 
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kaylagrl

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BeyondET said:
What do I disagree, well I don't agree in killing folks, sure the bible has stories of folks killing others but muslims want to kill you plain and simple today,, how many Christian do you know of that are hell bent on killing you.

I get the author is expressing the fact that there are accounts in religions of violence but that's about it,

what other message I'm I missing in the article??
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He said that the violence in the Bible was limited to that time and place. Christians are not commanded to commit jihad because others don't believe the way we do.Muslims are commanded to make war against infidels continually. Ask your average Christian to explain the difference between the violence in the Bible vs the Koran and they are stumped,they have no answer.The author makes good points considering he isn't a Christian. I find it hard to believe you read and understood the article.
 
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kaylagrl

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BeyondET said:
I've read it, and my view of the article differs than your view of it,, that's about it.. lol
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Ok,well thanks for giving it a read and your opinion. That is what I asked for. :)
 
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kaylagrl

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PrynceNY said:
Wonder if the person who wrote that is a muslim themselves. it's pretty common for muslims to try to make islam not seem as bad as it really is. They also try to depict muhammad as some kind of saint & he was far from it
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No,he's not a Muslim,if you read the article you'll know that he clearly isn't.
 
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BeyondET

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kaylagrl said:
He said that the violence in the Bible was limited to that time and place. Christians are not commanded to commit jihad because others don't believe the way we do.Muslims are commanded to make war against infidels continually. Ask your average Christian to explain the difference between the violence in the Bible vs the Koran and they are stumped,they have no answer.The author makes good points considering he isn't a Christian. I find it hard to believe you read and understood the article.
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Well I doubt the average Christians are stumped, this maybe your personal opinion of Christians. but I don't think the author is being straight forward.

I do believe most Christians know the difference between Paul killing people and God helping people win battles.
 
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kaylagrl said:
No,he's not a Muslim,if you read the article you'll know that he clearly isn't.
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Why are you getting offended over a simple statement? Yes I read the article & have heard muslims speak the same way. Perhaps you "clearly" haven't spoken to many muslims.
 
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BeyondET

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I'd say stay far away from trying to understand the Quran, it's evil junk.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
Well I doubt the average Christians are stumped, this maybe your personal opinion of Christians. but I don't think the author is being straight forward.

I do believe most Christians know the difference between Paul killing people and God helping people win battles.
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The only battle God ever fought was the battle to take over Canaan from a people who rejected God (he waited 400 years even, to make sure the last one who would receive God was dead)

God destroyed soddam and Gomorrah.. He would have destroyed ninivah if they did not repent. God fights his own battles..
 
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BeyondET said:
Well I doubt the average Christians are stumped, this maybe your personal opinion of Christians. but I don't think the author is being straight forward.

I do believe most Christians know the difference between Paul killing people and God helping people win battles.
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Hey! What happened after the 8th Crusade? I think that history shows that Islams unchanging goal is conquering the world. And I will say this. Although I agree the European Christians of the time weren't exactly what Christianity is all about, if they didn't fight Islam at every step, the New World would have been muslim, with no U.S.A. or freedom.
 
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kaylagrl

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BeyondET said:
Well I doubt the average Christians are stumped, this maybe your personal opinion of Christians. but I don't think the author is being straight forward.

I do believe most Christians know the difference between Paul killing people and God helping people win battles.
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No,its not my personal opinion of Christians. I have friends and family in Canada right now that are arguing with me on this very subject. Ive had to block a cousin who was hateful over the subject. She says she feels bad for Muslims and thinks America is awful for vetting them. This is why I brought the subject up. Its what Im dealing with right now.Christians no nothing about Islam and they are accepting it. Right now in Canada they are pushing a law where you will not be able to say anything against Islam.
 
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kaylagrl

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PrynceNY said:
Why are you getting offended over a simple statement? Yes I read the article & have heard muslims speak the same way. Perhaps you "clearly" haven't spoken to many muslims.
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Im not offended. Read his other articles,he's not a Muslim.
 
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kaylagrl

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BeyondET said:
I'd say stay far away from trying to understand the Quran, it's evil junk.
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No,I disagree. We ought to know what they teach.Christians are being deceived by this religion. We ought to know the truth about Islam.
 
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BeyondET

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eternally-gratefull said:
The only battle God ever fought was the battle to take over Canaan from a people who rejected God (he waited 400 years even, to make sure the last one who would receive God was dead)

God destroyed soddam and Gomorrah.. He would have destroyed ninivah if they did not repent. God fights his own battles..
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Clearly you haven't read much on that..

2 Sam 8
While David was king of Israel, he won many battles over the Philistines. He brought them under his control. He took Metheg Ammah away from them.
 
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BeyondET

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PennEd said:
Hey! What happened after the 8th Crusade? I think that history shows that Islams unchanging goal is conquering the world. And I will say this. Although I agree the European Christians of the time weren't exactly what Christianity is all about, if they didn't fight Islam at every step, the New World would have been muslim, with no U.S.A. or freedom.
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Indeed thank God for men like Charles the hammer who pushed back Islam in those times. :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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BeyondET said:
Clearly you haven't read much on that..

2 Sam 8
While David was king of Israel, he won many battles over the Philistines. He brought them under his control. He took Metheg Ammah away from them.
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That does not say God had him take those two places.

God told them to take canaan, and if they did not kill all who lived there, they would never have peace..

Israel caused those wars. not God. Because they disobeyed him.
 
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kaylagrl said:
No,I disagree. We ought to know what they teach.Christians are being deceived by this religion. We ought to know the truth about Islam.
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Hang on here, Christians disagree on the bible - how are Christians going to come to a consensus on Islam, the three sects of Islam can't agree - good luck with your quest.

I don't think Christians are being deceived by Islam, neither are they being deceived by modern Judaism.

Christians need to get their own "house" in order, all else is in Allah's providence.

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BeyondET

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kaylagrl said:
No,I disagree. We ought to know what they teach.Christians are being deceived by this religion. We ought to know the truth about Islam.
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How in the world does a Christian get deceived by what the Quran says, that makes no sense, unless a Christian is not a Christian and is trying to convert to Islam. What is the point in knowing something that your not going to follow, just drop it and walk over it.

Only truth needed is Islam isn't A religion it's a cult.
 
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