Billy Graham, Charles Finney and Pelagius
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You are wrong, my Brother. The laws written on their heart shows them that murdering, lying, cheating, stealing, sleeping with your neighbor's spouse is wrong, but it does not explain to them that God sent His Son the live and die as a man, rose from the dead three days later, and ascended to the Father. Those laws written do not explain the gospel.
Apostle Paul was a mission minded as they got and this is what he wrote...
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.[Romans 10:8-17]
How can they call upon the Christ if they do not know He exists? They can not. How can they have faith, when faith comes from hearing the message about the Christ? They can not. Seeing we are justified by faith[Galatians 3:8, Romans 4:3 & 5:1], if ppl do not hear the gospel, they have no faith. No gospel = no faith = no salvation.
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.”For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?”Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.[Romans 10:8-17]
How can they call upon the Christ if they do not know He exists? They can not. How can they have faith, when faith comes from hearing the message about the Christ? They can not. Seeing we are justified by faith[Galatians 3:8, Romans 4:3 & 5:1], if ppl do not hear the gospel, they have no faith. No gospel = no faith = no salvation.
i have a different, and what i consider a bigger issue with Finney, and it's one with which i think we ought to all see an immediate correlation with Graham. for some of you reading this, my post may sting. sorry.
the idea that salvation is accomplished by the recitation of a magical set of words ((i.e. the 'sinner's prayer')) in response to an emotional 'altar call' after a sermon purpose-built to manipulatively tug at the heart-strings of attendees at a large meeting. and the idea that the size of a list of names which responded in this way to this kind of event constitutes 'revival'
the whole idea of an emotional 'altar call' and subsequent formulaic verbal agreement constituting a 'salvation event' either originates with or was first popularized by Finney. travelling 'revival' shows. well-rehearsed speeches designed to elicit emotional response. the idea that men and women can be deliberately manipulated into saving faith by clever, silver-tongued, practiced evangelists.
the idea that salvation is accomplished by the recitation of a magical set of words ((i.e. the 'sinner's prayer')) in response to an emotional 'altar call' after a sermon purpose-built to manipulatively tug at the heart-strings of attendees at a large meeting. and the idea that the size of a list of names which responded in this way to this kind of event constitutes 'revival'
the whole idea of an emotional 'altar call' and subsequent formulaic verbal agreement constituting a 'salvation event' either originates with or was first popularized by Finney. travelling 'revival' shows. well-rehearsed speeches designed to elicit emotional response. the idea that men and women can be deliberately manipulated into saving faith by clever, silver-tongued, practiced evangelists.
J
BG espoused mysticism and Schuller amened every bit of it. That's a mystic having another mystic agreeing with his mysticism. Try saying that 5 times real fast. 
this is what a great number of "sermons" in America are patterned after. the faith, the church, Christianity was not always this way. they called it the 'great awakening' -- and IMHO it was a great falling asleep. now, some people recognize that we are one of the most, if not the most Biblically illiterate generations of believers since the crucifixion and resurrection. that's the fruit. and it's not just 'we don't know the scripture' - it's 'we don't see Christ in the scripture' and worse, we don't even look for Him. hundreds of thousands of people in this country think they are 'saved' because they gave a verbal assent to something never adequately explained & repeated a scripted statement during an emotionally charged moment once in their life, and 'redemption' to them means little more than as much self-imposed behavior modification as their willpower allows.
that's the legacy of 'the great awakening' in America, to my eyes.
is that good?
that's the legacy of 'the great awakening' in America, to my eyes.
is that good?
this guy, you know.
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this guy, you know.
cool and froody
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Christian Chat Rooms & Forums - View Profile: Yet
cool and froody
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you can see it in his post history, tho - a complex guy, with an unwavering purpose, who declared God is holy and salvation is free.
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posty this really made me laugh. i remember everytime a post was made about prosperity preachers there would be people chiming in with stuff like "cant wait to see what Yet has to say on this". because you knew he was gonna say something and you knew it was gonna be good.
and for my ole pal Yet if your watching, i saw a preacher the other day driving in a 77 ford pickup with the tailgate missing, a wooden tire and duct tape holding in the back glass and it just made me sick, we know that preacher could have got around just fine on a bicycle!
and for my ole pal Yet if your watching, i saw a preacher the other day driving in a 77 ford pickup with the tailgate missing, a wooden tire and duct tape holding in the back glass and it just made me sick, we know that preacher could have got around just fine on a bicycle!