Book of Enoch, chapter 6

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There's no book of Enoch in the bible!
well I do appreciate the 66 Books that we currently consider the Bible.
However, it seems that Rome had a lot of influence on which Books were chosen.
Something to think about.
Do you trust the RCC? I do not.
 
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Chapter 9...

And now, behold,
the souls of those who have died are crying and making their suit to the gates of heaven,
and their lamentation have ascended:
and cannot cease because of the lawless deeds which are wrought on the earth.
Enoch 9.10
 

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And the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them [daughters of men],
and said one to another:
Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
and beget us children.
Enoch 6:2

(your thoughts?)
I am a little 'perplexed...
why are you quoting from and discussing 'the Book of Enoch' ???
Which holy scripture is this to be part of ? It certainly is not included in my KJV.
 

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well I do appreciate the 66 Books that we currently consider the Bible.
However, it seems that Rome had a lot of influence on which Books were chosen.
Something to think about.
Do you trust the RCC? I do not.
Just read this post and see where you are coming from.
The RCC did seem to run the show but overall GOD is in charge and has the final word. Would HE leave His people 'without knowledge and instruction which could save them ?
IF there is any 'shortfall in the Bible I'm sure God Himself can fill it in, make it up through His Holy Spirit. WE should not literally add to it....is my ho.
 
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Just read this post and see where you are coming from.
The RCC did seem to run the show but overall GOD is in charge and has the final word. Would HE leave His people 'without knowledge and instruction which could save them ?
IF there is any 'shortfall in the Bible I'm sure God Himself can fill it in, make it up through His Holy Spirit. WE should not literally add to it....is my ho.
God indeed gives us all we need.
However, there are things coming to light now, that were really not needed a thousand years ago.
People are learning deeper things now. Daniel said knowledge will increase.

The Book of Enoch says it is for a distant generation.
Very interesting information in this book.
Don't count it out.
 
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I am a little 'perplexed...
why are you quoting from and discussing 'the Book of Enoch' ???
Which holy scripture is this to be part of ? It certainly is not included in my KJV.
sister, i hate to tell you this but Paul and Peter never heard of KJV.
Although they did know the Book of Enoch.
 
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#47
well I do appreciate the 66 Books that we currently consider the Bible.
However, it seems that Rome had a lot of influence on which Books were chosen.
Something to think about.
Do you trust the RCC? I do not.
The test brother, is to see if these books are contradicting the word of God.

I have red through the book of Jasher but the book of Enoch was difficult for me to read and that is why I stayed away from it :)

Don't confuse the confused :)
 
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Hello GandalfTheWhite,

I have a copy of Ethiopic Enoch and find the opposite, that it fills in a lot of the details that the Genesis does not go into, mentions the son of Lamech, Michael, Gabriel, the flood and a host of other related items. It gives a much better understanding of why God flooded the earth. As far as its credibility, if God put Jude's quote of Enoch in His word, then that speaks for itself. The popular understanding of this is that, Satan through those angels attempted to corrupt the blood line in order to interfere with the prophecies regarding the Messiah who would come into the world in the flesh. I have not done my own personal studies on this, so I will not elaborate any further. I would say this, since Jude quoted from the prophecy of Enoch and it is in the word of God, I would not be referring to the prophesies of Enoch as Satanic.
I will try to get hold of a printed copy because the internet can't be trusted :)
 
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If the book is demonically inspired how come Jude quotes from it? Apart from that the book of Jubilees also mentions them. God uses other writings to get his message across. He would use the Telephone Directory if he thought it necessary. Truth is not confined to the Bible although the Bible is the standard other things should be measured against.
Just because Jude quoted from the book of Enoch doesn't mean that the book we have currently is the same one Jude quoted from, not does it mean it is inspired from God. Paul quoted the poets of Athens, but no one goes about trying to create doctrines from their poems.

If you want to add "the book of Enoch" and other Gnostic text found in the dead sea scrolls or other resources, that is your choice. However, you walk down the same misguided road they did and that Paul warned against in his many letters.

Historical documents show what people believed at the time, not what God inspired people to write.

Your name is tanukh...if God intended us to have the book of Enoch why wasn't it included in the tanukh?
 
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Playing on people's distrust of the RCC isn't logical since the book of Enoch was suppose to have been written preflood....therefore should have been sacred text in the Old testament/Jewish texts.
 

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Just because Jude quoted from the book of Enoch doesn't mean that the book we have currently is the same one Jude quoted from, not does it mean it is inspired from God.
Well, I can read the same prophecy in my book of Enoch that I find in Jude. Also, do you actually believe that God would allow anything in His word that he didn't want in there? Remember:

"All scripture is God breathed and is useful for teaching, training and correcting, so that the man of God may be perfectly equipped for every good work."

Men wrote it, but the Holy Spirit is the author. Therefore, to say that Jude's quote from Enoch is inspired from God would be saying that God's word is corrupted.
 

Ahwatukee

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I will try to get hold of a printed copy because the internet can't be trusted :)
I got my copy a long time ago from, I think the publisher was "Delores Press." I will have to check on that. The preface tells how that the book of Enoch would be better referred to as "the books of Enoch." It tells how the manuscript was obtained and that it itself was apart of the scriptures up to the 3rd century, which would support Jude's quoting from it. There is both a Slavonic and an Ethiopic version. It goes into much detail regarding those angels that sinned, which I believe who both Jude 6 and 2 Pet.2:4 are referring to regarding those angels that were put into chains of darkness until the day of judgment. It also tells how these angels taught mankind the divining of roots and trees, sorcery, astronomy, the motion of the moon, how to make weapons of war, the beautifying of the eyebrows (make-up) and a number of other things. It is a very interesting collection of information and has that same feel of being God-breathed as with the Bible.
 
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Maybe it's miscommunication....if you write book of Enoch on a phone directory....does it then make the phone directory the book of Enoch?

If you are going to instill false doctrine, the easiest way is to pretend to be a book quoted by authors of the Bible.

Satan quoted directly from the Bible and twisted those verses to tempt Jesus. You don't think Satan wasn't trying his hardest to pervert the message?

Take some truth, mix it with lies, slap a label on it and see who wants to eat the candy coated dung.

There distinct but notable differences between the book of Enoch and the Gospel message found in the Bible.

However it does give the illusion of having " more knowledge" and "secret" knowledge.
 

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Maybe it's miscommunication....if you write book of Enoch on a phone directory....does it then make the phone directory the book of Enoch?

If you are going to instill false doctrine, the easiest way is to pretend to be a book quoted by authors of the Bible.

Satan quoted directly from the Bible and twisted those verses to tempt Jesus. You don't think Satan wasn't trying his hardest to pervert the message?

Take some truth, mix it with lies, slap a label on it and see who wants to eat the candy coated dung.

There distinct but notable differences between the book of Enoch and the Gospel message found in the Bible.

However it does give the illusion of having " more knowledge" and "secret" knowledge.
Forgive me, but you're missing the point. If it is in God's word, it cannot be misinformation and that because it is in the word of God. If what you were claiming was true, then we could not no what was of God and what was not inspired. But regarding this, scripture states the following:

"We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."


You should just read the preface of how it came about and how it was once apart of the scriptures and also how you feel about what is said in it.
 
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And the angels, the children of heaven, saw and lusted after them [daughters of men],
and said one to another:
Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men
and beget us children.
Enoch 6:2

(your thoughts?)
My thoughts are that they went against what they are allowed to do. Angels are masculine. Because of that issue we are supposed to cover our hair (woman) because its the God given veil and they find it attractive. And I guess we know about the nephilim and the casting down etc.
 

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sister, i hate to tell you this but Paul and Peter never heard of KJV.
Although they did know the Book of Enoch.
No matter if they did or not - GOD knew !
 
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God indeed gives us all we need.
However, there are things coming to light now, that were really not needed a thousand years ago.
People are learning deeper things now. Daniel said knowledge will increase.

The Book of Enoch says it is for a distant generation.
Very interesting information in this book.
Don't count it out.
Don't count it out as what, false prohecy?
 
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As I understand it the book of Enoch was corrupted by man at some stage and the scholars left it out because some of it was in direct contradiction with the Bible.

Satan will try to corrupt the truth.
Make no mistake about it, God's will WILL be done. God chose what books would be in the bible, not scholars. The reason the books are in there is because there were way more copies of the bible found than any other ancient manuscript. And these were the books found in it.

But even better, we can KNOW that God chose these books because Jesus quoted from each Old Testament book, except Song of Solomon- which was found within these books. And we know the New Testament is God's word because it was written through Christ's apostles.

I mean think about it, God created this whole complicated world flawlessly, carried out Old Testament prophesies flawlessly, had His Son die, etc. Do you think He would make a mistake in setting forth His plan to bring us the bible? I do not.

Yes, Satan has tried many times to destroy the bible, but just as in the case of Job, God decides what He allows Satan to do or not do. The Catholics used to kill people for owning even one page, but we still smuggled God's word out to people, in the English language, inside bags of flour shipments. Just as God did not allow Satan to kill Jesus before His time, He makes sure His word is protected.
 
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well I do appreciate the 66 Books that we currently consider the Bible.
However, it seems that Rome had a lot of influence on which Books were chosen.
Something to think about.
Do you trust the RCC? I do not.
I refer you to my quote in #58 post. (This is #59, so the one above this one).
 
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sister, i hate to tell you this but Paul and Peter never heard of KJV.
Although they did know the Book of Enoch.

There is no reason to believe either Jesus or the disciples quoted a book called Enoch . Its simply a private interpretation of someone who wanted to make giants aliens possessed by angel-body snatchers through procreation. Good Hollywood stuff.