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Billyd

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Hi all,
Like I have said in previous posts I am not the most knolagable christian, but I am daily improving and studying the bible..

My question
I have been a boxer for many many years, and I feel it has done me alot of good - kept me away from drugs etc, many of my christian friends from church have told me to stop boxing, and studying mma (which I have been doing more recently this last year)

What is a biblical perspective on this?
I dont see boxing as violent as it has helped me in many ways avoid confrontation and not drink drugs etc, given me a purpose when going abroad etc, but ultimatley it is an art that can hurt people...
I don't believe that you will find a scripture that will directly support a yes or no to MMA or boxing. I don't believe that God is in any way glorified by one who inflicts pain on another.

I will say that you need to pay close attention to what God is telling you. The fact that you are questioning your current practice, may be God leading you into a new form of ministry.
 
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JesusIsAll

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I don't believe that you will find a scripture that will directly support a yes or no to MMA or boxing. I don't believe that God is in any way glorified by one who inflicts pain on another.

I will say that you need to pay close attention to what God is telling you. The fact that you are questioning your current practice, may be God leading you into a new form of ministry.
As long as he is actually in doubt, and not for some Pharisees of legendary holiness on some message board. The legalists, the bondage people here, are legion.
 

LEPIDUS

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lol JesusIsAll I am amazed of your persistence. You have some grudge issue you need to work on.
 
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Hi all,
Like I have said in previous posts I am not the most knolagable christian, but I am daily improving and studying the bible..

My question
I have been a boxer for many many years, and I feel it has done me alot of good - kept me away from drugs etc, many of my christian friends from church have told me to stop boxing, and studying mma (which I have been doing more recently this last year)

What is a biblical perspective on this?
I dont see boxing as violent as it has helped me in many ways avoid confrontation and not drink drugs etc, given me a purpose when going abroad etc, but ultimatley it is an art that can hurt people...


There is nothing wrong with being a fighter. I am 11+ yrs. retired from mma, IKF, along with boxing. I was 6 months away from my first title fight (super middleweight) I was undefeated. But God got a hold of me and told me to quit. Because the fight He wanted in me wouldn't work with this fighting. So what it boils down to, if God is calling you away from this to take you down another path and you don't listen, than it's wrong. But until then, there's nothing wrong with it. But you do have to ask yourself one question. If you're walking in God and desire to be an example of Him with your life, if Jesus came to hang out with you, would you want Him to come and see one of your fights? Would you want Him to see you try and knock someone out? (rhetorical question) Just something to ponder on. Blessings
 
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Question: "What does the Bible say about extreme fighting / violent sports?"

Answer:
Extremely violent sports, such as MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) and UFC (Ultimate Fighting Championship) are greatly increasing in popularity. Many people, Christians and non-Christians alike, struggle with whether or not to support and enjoy these sports. Some wonder if it would be allowable for a Christian to participate in sports that involve an extreme amount of violence. What guidelines does the Bible give?

Genesis 32:24-25 mentions Jacob wrestling with the angel of the Lord. In an athletic analogy, in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27, the apostle Paul possibly uses terms related to what was essentially "boxing" in that time period. The Bible nowhere explicitly condemns sports that involve violence. Does this mean that enjoying/participating in extremely violent sports can be biblically allowable and/or God-honoring? Not necessarily. Just as the Bible nowhere explicitly condemns violent sports, neither does it condone violent sports.

Nearly all sports contain a measure of violence. Most competitive sports involve one person or team exerting physical superiority over another person or team. So, while boxing, MMA and UFC are more violent than other sports, they are not the only sports that contain or involve violence. Gridiron football, for example, can be very violent. At the same time, there is an important difference. While other sports can be violent, boxing, MMA, and UFC are, in their essence, focused and/or centered on violence. Violence itself is the sport; it is not just a matter of the sport sometimes being violent.

While many would place boxing on a different level than MMA and UFC, the general concept of the sports is the same. In extreme fighting, the specific goal of the competition is to physically harm/injure the other person to the point that he/she is knocked unconscious or injured to the extent that he/she can no longer continue. There is nothing in the Bible which indicates that intentionally injuring another person can, in any way, be glorifying to God.

There have been many Christians who have participated in boxing. Surely, there are also genuine Christians who are involved in MMA, UFC, kickboxing, and other violent sports. Biblically speaking, though, this should not be. In no sense can intentionally pummeling and injuring an opponent in an athletic competition be glorifying to God. While the "what would Jesus do?" saying is overused and sometimes misapplied, the question "can I really picture Jesus participating in extreme fighting?" is very relevant to the question of whether a Christian can participate in or enjoy extreme fighting, MMA, UFC, and other sports that are focused on physical violence.

Recommended Resources: Excellence: The Heart and Soul in Sports by Fellowship of Christian Athletes and Logos Bible Software.

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KohenMatt

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I suppose, but fighters generally shake hands or hug after a fight, so their intent is generally to outscore, not to intentionally harm. As I've counseled, I think it would be wise to do something else before a physical injury occurs, but anyone who feels as you do should refrain from going to hockey games.
I agree with the Hockey bit. I feel the same way about Baseball fights and pitchers hitting batters as retaliation.

It's all very childish IMO.
 
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"Sport" is one thing.
Doing intentional bodily harm to someone is different, IMO.
Football is when they tackle people, and the physical and even brain damage being done through this 'sport' is quite substantial and increasing. Players know this, yet they continue playing knowing the long term physical damage being done to themselves and others? How comes that's ok?
 

KohenMatt

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Football is when they tackle people, and the physical and even brain damage being done through this 'sport' is quite substantial and increasing. Players know this, yet they continue playing knowing the long term physical damage being done to themselves and others? How comes that's ok?
Yeah, the brain damage that's happening in football is a problem as well.

The one difference I would say between boxing and football is 50% of the game of football isn't about trying to hurt someone. Even the Defense should not be (and I emphasize the word should) trying to hurt the offense, although Ndamukong Su might disagree.

Again, the difference I see between boxing and football is the intent. In football, you're trying to get past a defender to score.
In boxing, you're trying to hit a person enough times that you win, and if you knock them unconscious, even better.

If boxing is truly only about the point system and making contact, then all boxing should have the helmets they use in the amateurs, as well as chest protectors.

But as someone mentioned earlier, this isn't a topic covered in Scripture and can be answered with any degree of certainty.
As someone who has had some brain trauma in the past, I'm a lot more strict in my opinions on fighting.
 
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I agree with the Hockey bit. I feel the same way about Baseball fights and pitchers hitting batters as retaliation.

It's all very childish IMO.
I would eject pitchers who throw at batters. Also, eject players for fighting in hockey or other sports.
 
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TheClimaxWarrior

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Hi all,
Like I have said in previous posts I am not the most knolagable christian, but I am daily improving and studying the bible..

My question
I have been a boxer for many many years, and I feel it has done me alot of good - kept me away from drugs etc, many of my christian friends from church have told me to stop boxing, and studying mma (which I have been doing more recently this last year)

What is a biblical perspective on this?
I dont see boxing as violent as it has helped me in many ways avoid confrontation and not drink drugs etc, given me a purpose when going abroad etc, but ultimatley it is an art that can hurt people...
I am a Professional Boxer 102F Amateur, Muay Thai 78F and MMA 27F Athlete. I have always been involved in combat sports since I was 8yrs old. I'm now 41yrs and will be making another run for a Muay Thai title again next year.

Muay Thai is steeped in Buddhism, however I don't go down the Buddhist aspect of the sport. I am a 'Child of the way'. Many...many...many a times. I have had extremist Christians telling me it is wrong. I says,'If it is then, who is going to help those in the sport to believe in Jesus. Are you? They won't listen to a Bible thumping Christian on the street. They won't go into a Church to listen. The majority of martial artists believe in themselves as a god. Who is going to reach out to them by sharing the Gospel'. Then he says he could tell about Jesus and then he would walk away after he leaves. I says,'That is not worth nothing at all. I do what I do as I have been put there for a purpose. To share the Gospel with kindred spirits because the Lord said,'Let your light shine before men, so they can see your good works'. A lot of Christians cannot do what I do nor teach how I teach to the lost in the world of Martial Arts'.

I'm being currently trained as a Marketplace Minister. My Church are brilliant and support me in everything that I do. They want me to bring home the fruits back to the Holy Divine whom is known as the Vine. The Lord Jesus. A Marketplace Minister is a Christian who shares the Gospel with those either in his or her work place, community outlets, and sports & leisure facilities. You could also be a Caddy of a Golf Club and be an effective Marketplace Minister.

Do not excuse the pun. Beat yourself up over it. Ignore and do what the Lord wants you do. Ask personally for the Holy Spirit to guide and illuminate your path. My tip is ensure you teach the true word of GOD of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit as One GOD revealed in Three Persons. Always, in everything you do in sports, give thanks and reverence to GOD. I live in Phuket, Thailand. And have told the camp I cannot do the traditional Wai Kru and so I created my own. There are three bows in the Wai Kru or Ram Muay. One for your belief, One for your trainer and One for your family. I don't. I do One for the Father. One for the Son. One for the Holy Spirit. If I'm asked to do the dance. I do so for the love my Lord and my GOD. It is my chance to show Jesus how much I love Him. This is my outward witness to those in attendance. I got the idea from king David when he danced for GOD but of course I'm not naked. I then proceed on one knee. My left hand placed on my heart. My right held palmed facing towards me up high. I then pray the 'Our Father who art in Hallowed. Thy kingdom come...'.

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread.

And forgive us our sins, as we forgive as we forgive those who is sin against us.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, are yours now and forever. My Lord and my God. Amen.

Then I perform the sign of the cross to show those I'm a Christian. I have been jumped on by people in the audience Catholics saying it's good to know that I'm a Catholic. This is my chance to say. 'I'm not. I'm a monotheist trinitarian Christian. I believe Jesus is the way the truth and life. The second person of the Godhead bodily in fullness. I do not pray to any other no man, woman or saint. Including Mary. For He gave me life'. Then they freak and sometimes cause a bitter argument. Then I says,'You realize I just won and can fight right? So don't argue with me I don't want to get into another one unless you wanna pay me'.

Whether, I win by KO or not again on one knee and look up to GOD and announce the battle was won but the victory, power and glory is yours now and forever my Lord and my GOD. I will express do not for one second be after the traditions of men and the rudiments of the world. Always, I mean always give reverence and glory to GOD first and only. This I have adopted after Samson killed over 1,000 Philistine army men. Though Samson was the only superhuman to have ever lived on the earth in recorded true fact history. After the battle Samson realized he was dying of thirst and came to the understanding it is not of himself but of GOD Almighty. That is what people miss out on the Samsons life story. His incredible faith but lack of obedience.

If I'm too lose again on one knee and look up to GOD and announce the battle was won but the victory, power and glory is yours now and forever my Lord and my GOD. I still win for GOD because I was able to show the world that I have an identity. I am a child of GOD and I'm not ashamed of it. Remember, the martial arts is a cruel world. Men will revile you and persecute. But, blessed are they who do hunger and thirst for righteousness for they shall be filled.

Do not listen to people in this matter. Listen to the heart of our Lord and our GOD. We must all remember that we are the last messengers for Jesus. We are the Fifth Gospel. Don't give up and don't give in. What will you say when you are judged by Him when He asks,'Why did you not teach those who I am in the sport I personally place you in?'. What will you say? Probably, 'I was told not by Christians'. He will more likely say,'What did I write on your heart?. Do you know I lost many as you did not do what I asked of you?'. We have meaning and purpose. That is to love GOD and love others first before we love ourselves, to share His loving Word. Christians who stick within their own confines of the Church expect a certain group of people to preach and teach to. Have you seen a Church actively going around to martial art stables to preach the Word of GOD. No you don't and you won't ever because they are either gutless scared, or don't know how to go about it. So they make up such a lame excuse as 'It wrong'. That is pathetic and weak and absolutely wrong! Who is going to save those in the martial arts if there is no Christian mixed in? Jesus save any because of Christians damning those involved in the sport therefore damning the lost entirely because we are told not to. Well, we are commanded to so we can bring home the fruits of our labor so Jesus can only do the saving but it must start with us first. We cannot save no one only Jesus can.

I'm quite intimidating in front and I use it to my advantage. When a Christian tells me it's wrong and not to do it. I stop put on my fight face stare real hard at them to get in them and say with meaning, conviction and passion 'Who is going to help save them, are you?'. They look for a moment and out comes a whimper 'No'. 'Good let me deal with it. Move on!'. I'm covered in tattoos and I'm rather magnetic. People of all walks of life in the martial arts train with me, talk with me, eat with me, laugh at me and with me and cry with me. Christians who stick within their safety net restrict not only themselves but also ultimately our Lord and our GOD.

I wrote an article about 7yrs ago and it follows. Be strong. Be passionate. Be determined for our GOD.

Add me on here and when I fight next year. I will link you to the video. Lastly, go through and see how many Christians are Champions in the UFC and on TV. Someone is obviously winning. JESUS!

GOD BLESS YOU HAVE A BROTHER IN ARMS.

'Not all Christians are given the gifts to be a Roger Federer, a Tiger Woods, a Christiano Ronaldo, a NFL Quarterback, a NBA player who saved the game on the final buzzer, or the greatest of them all Muhammad Ali.

Martial Arts is heavily involved in the media mainstream, reaching out to the millions. Through the Silver Screen, Pay Per View, Sitcoms, Martial Art Documentaries, Martial Art Magazines etc.

However, when it is revealed that a Christian competes in an extreme martial art such as, MMA, Muay Thai, Boxing, Kyokushin Karate, Savate, Escrima etc. People are quick to act as to how, we as Christians can be involved in a sport that inflicts pain upon people. But, the ones who act the quickest are other Christians, whom has every right to voice their opinions but to judge a Christian Champion is wrong.

There are Christians in the Armed Forces which inevitably are trained to kill. The millions will argue that it's for self defense, then what about an invasion of another country? Who are they then defending?

Everyday Christians hurt people and people hurt people, physically, mentally and emotionally with intent and conviction. Are they a whole better than the Christian Champions whom compete? Still Christian Champions give thanks and praise to God despite a loss. Is it not a good idea to show humility?

Do Buddhists, Taoists and Muslims receive unfair judgement because they are extreme fighters?

That's the cross, we as Christian Champions have to carry. A burden where we are judged by non-believers and Christians a like.

But Jesus truly knows the identity of our heart not man.

Ultimately, we as Christian Champions have work to do. Remember we as Christians don't save, Jesus does. We only need to plant the seed. We may not save millions but if we can help the Lord save at least one, it becomes a victory truly won.

We can inspire. We can become role models. We can breathe the word of God through the power of the Holy Spirit to speak through us.

God gave us all the gifts you have. Use them well and share His love while you do

"And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love." - 1 Corinthians 13:13

The battle is won but the Power the Glory and the Victory belongs to...GOD!'
 
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TheClimaxWarrior

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I don't agree with that article. I think it was Stephen who wrote for gotquestions.org on that one. He forgot to mention the Spirit of GOD has His way of the way of GOD. The Comforter is doing His work within us all right now. We are His Children, what the allows, does. We cannot deny that very fact.
 
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P.S. I have still have my brains and can speak and write with intellect. The Lord is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
 
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Hi all,
Like I have said in previous posts I am not the most knolagable christian, but I am daily improving and studying the bible..

My question
I have been a boxer for many many years, and I feel it has done me alot of good - kept me away from drugs etc, many of my christian friends from church have told me to stop boxing, and studying mma (which I have been doing more recently this last year)

What is a biblical perspective on this?
I dont see boxing as violent as it has helped me in many ways avoid confrontation and not drink drugs etc, given me a purpose when going abroad etc, but ultimatley it is an art that can hurt people...
It was nothing wrong when Saul, in ignorance to the coming MESSIAH, and according to the Law of Moses, stoning the Christian for spreading heresy among his fellow Jews. What was the written punishment according to the Law of Moses towards spreading heresy/strange teachings against what Moses gave to their ancestors, causing divisions among their community?

So after hearing from JESUS on the way to Damascus, he became a new man named Paul and stop harming people in any way and by any possible means and rather now let people, even his enemies to harm him instead, for the Gospel sake. Instead of taking lives for a Good cause, as he and others placed in authority presumed, as doing a favor for GOD by obeying the Law of Moses, he now gave his own life like JESUS and the Apostles, by lay it down in order to win many for the Kingdom of GOD. This is 'Agape' of GOD, in order to save many.

Ask your 'self', do you love your opponent boxers, so that they will not sin in vengeful towards you when you win? Unless you take all the beatings and let them win all the time and confess to them, you did for JESUS who loves them. This sound like a fake Gospel.

Peter, Andrew, John and James were fishermen and Peter led them to go back fishing, when the MASTER was away for a short moment. When the MASTER returned and called, HE instructed them to become 'fishers of men' and HE will show them how.

These are all written until our present age to witness their mistakes and act wiser in order to make them proud of their afterwards labor to establish and built up the church, 'a gathering' called the body of CHRIST.

we are the new creation, a new creature, set apart/sanctified, should be alien to the pattern of this world in 'self' achievements, for us 'not' to be conformed to, even though they may seem harmless, but at the beginning, but then again a devourer at it's heights.

We know from many famous celebrities who came from a Christian background, used their blessed talent because of their parent and came out and sown them to the pattern of this world, thinking doing Good to change the world and make it a better place, for you and me and the entire human race. Sadly, what happened to them, that stabbed the hearts of their parents. The prodigals that did not return and they all are a reminder and a stir up of our memory not to mess around, thinking it is okay to compromise and 'test the LORD thy GOD' because of HIS Grace and Truth, LORD JESUS CHRIST.

HE is not only the 'Loving GOD' but also the 'Consuming Fire'. 'HE have no favorites, nor respective of men'. They all have to welcome and honor the New Covenant in 'abiding', as to honor HIS SON's words of spirit and life redemption in practical and witnessing to a perishing world, condemn to hell. Because of being in ignorance of the Gospel to warn them and rather join them to fix things in this world without CHRIST, then be ready to be 'spit out' by the MASTER as 'lukewarm' generations.

According to CHRIST chosen instrument Apostle Paul, the Power and Wisdom of GOD is in the Gospel. Please spend time in becoming spiritual by welcoming the written Gospel, even in practices in our own lives and witness them to the world, without using any of their patterns or wisdom in mix matching witnessing.

Be encouraged to become as a spiritual boxer, like Apostle Paul proclaimed, that his labor was 'not just punching the air', rather than a physical boxer punching others in further bruises, cuts, glory of T.K.O. or K.O. and title belts. Because JESUS of the Gospel taught disciples, from ordinary physical fishermen became chosen spiritual trained instruments of 'fishers of men' for the Kingdom of GOD, honoring CHRIST's words of spirit and life.

You and i who have surrendered to GOD because of CHRIST, have no rights anymore, but submission and obedience to the New Covenant in learning them in whole and practicing them and witnessing them, when once we were lost and now have been found and in gratitude witnessing to the ignorant, earning Grace and showing Grace in repentance.

It is better to thrust forward, seeking Help and finding help in all our weakness, to 'comply with' and to 'conform to', the New Covenant generation, rather than looking back and turning back, to flesh/carnal that we have supposedly buried. Sadly, 'It will be worst off for such person that better he or she shouldn't have come to know CHRST and accept first of all'.

This Prophesy is to build up those who are lacking in the New Covenant Spiritual sound doctrine knowledge and heading towards the wrong way and not at all to stir up debates or arguments or to destroy. Each must distinguish themselves 'the road' we are called to walk on and the direction is the New Covenant and the HOLY SPIRIT as our 'Teacher' and 'Comforter'.
 
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"Sport" is one thing.
Doing intentional bodily harm to someone is different, IMO.
I think throwing christians to lions was a sport in Rome at one time...
it all boils down to....
Luke 12:34
For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
 
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Lets look at the first murder that was done in the bible.
What were the actions of his behavior?
And where can they lead us?


Cain

The first child born on earth to the original human pair, Adam and Eve.
Following the birth of Cain, Eve said: “I have produced a man with the aid of Jehovah.” (Ge 4:1) Did she have in mind that she might be the foretold woman who would produce the seed by means of which deliverance would come? (Ge 3:15) If so, she was greatly mistaken. However, she could validly say that Cain was produced “with the aid of Jehovah” because God had not taken away the reproductive powers of sinful Adam and Eve and because, when passing judgment on her, God had said that she would “bring forth children,” though it would be with birth pangs. Ge 3:16.

Cain became a cultivator of the ground, and at the expiration of some time, he, as well as his younger brother Abel, brought offerings to present to God, feeling the need to gain God's favor. Cain's offering of “some fruits of the ground” however was not looked upon with any favor by God. (Ge 4:2-5; compare Nu 16:15; Am 5:22.)

While some point out that Cain's offering is not said to be of the choicest fruits whereas Abels offering is specified to have been of the “firstlings of his flock, even their fatty pieces,” the problem was not in the quality of produce that Cain offered. As Hebrews 11:4 points out, Cain's offering lacked the motivation of faith that made Abel's sacrifice acceptable. The fact that God did not view Cain's offering with favor may also have been because his offering was bloodless, whereas Abel's represented a life poured out.

The manner in which the distinction between the approved and the disapproved offerings was made is not stated, but it was undoubtedly evident to both Cain and Abel. God, who reads the heart of man (1Sa 16:7; Ps 139:1-6) knew the wrong attitude of Cain, and His rejection of Cain's sacrifice resulted in that wrong disposition being made clearly manifest. “The works of the flesh” now began to be openly produced by Cain: “enmities, strife, jealousy, fits of anger.” (Ga 5:19, 20) God showed the sullen man that exaltation could be his if he would simply turn to doing good. He could have humbled himself to imitate his brother’s approved example, but he chose to ignore God's counsel to get the mastery over the sinful desire that ‘lurked at the door,’ craving to dominate him. (Ge 4:6, 7; compare Jas 1:14, 15.) This disrespectful course was “the path of Cain.” (Jude 11) Too bad for them, for they have followed the path of Cain and have rushed into the erroneous course of Ba′laam for reward, and they have perished in the rebellious talk of Kor′ah!

Subsequently, Cain said to his brother: “Let us go over into the field.” (Ge 4:8) In the field Cain attacked Abel, killing him, and thereby becoming the first human murderer. As such he could be said to have “originated with the wicked one,” who is the father of manslayers as well as of the lie. (1Jo 3:12; Joh 8:44) Cain's callous response to God's inquiry as to Abel's whereabouts was further evidence of his attitude; it was not an expression of repentance or remorse but a lying retort: “I do not know. Am I my brother’s guardian?” Ge 4:9.

God's sentencing of Cain to banishment from the ground evidently meant his eviction from the neighborhood of the garden of Eden, and the curse already upon the earth would be increased in Cain's case, the earth not responding to his cultivation of it. Cain expressed regret over the severity of his punishment and showed anxiety as to the possibility of Abel's murder being avenged upon him, but still no sincere repentance. God “set up a sign for Cain” to prevent his being killed, but the record does not say that this sign or mark was placed on Cain's person in any way. The “sign” likely consisted of God’s solemn decree itself, known and observed by others. Ge 4:10-15; compare vs 24 where that decree is referred to by Lamech.

(Genesis 4:10-15) At this He said: “What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood is crying out to me from the ground. 11 And now you are cursed in banishment from the ground that has opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood from your hand. 12 When you cultivate the ground, it will not give you back its produce. You will become a wanderer and a fugitive in the earth.” 13 At this Cain said to Jehovah: “The punishment for my error is too great to bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your face; and I will become a wanderer and a fugitive on the earth, and anyone who finds me will certainly kill me.” 15 So Jehovah said to him: “For that reason, anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times.” So Jehovah set up a sign for Cain in order that no one finding him would strike him.

(Genesis 4:24) If 7 times Cain is to be avenged, Then La′mech 77 times.”

Cain went into banishment in “the land of Exile to the east of Eden,” taking with him his wife, an anonymous daughter of Adam and Eve. (Ge 4:16, 17; compare 5:4, also the much later example of Abraham's marriage to his half sister Sarah, Ge 20:12.) Following the birth of his son Enoch, Cain “engaged in building a city,” naming it for his son. Such city may have been but a fortified village by present standards, and the record does not state when it was completed. His descendants are listed in part and include men who distinguished themselves in nomadic stock raising, the playing of musical instruments, and the forging of metal tools as well as those who were known for their practice of polygamy and their violence. (Ge 4:17-24) Cain's line ended with the global Flood of Noah's day.

Our imperfect nature can distort our thinking and cause us to go down a path that eventually leads to disaster.

Psalm 11:5 states:Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.”

(Isaiah 59:6, 7) ....Their works are harmful, And deeds of violence are in their hands. 7 Their feet run to do evil, And they hurry to shed innocent blood. Their thoughts are harmful thoughts; Ruin and misery are in their ways.

(Prov. 14:12)There is a way that seems right to a man,But in the end it leads to death

No matter what way you look at it, It promotes violence. One day Isaiah 2:4 will be fulfilled. We will Not have any need of these types of things so why waste you time when it can be spent doing godly things. Yes they have pros and cons but does the con out weigh the pros. And what behavior can it lead too? Remember cain and his choices where they lead him.

(Isaiah 2:4) He will render judgment among the nations And set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares And their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, Nor will they learn war anymore.

Keep busy in the works of God and then you will see that you will have no time for such things. More importely the works of sinful flesh are contrasted with the fruitage of the spirit, at:

(Galatians 5:19-23) Now the works of the flesh are plainly seen, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, brazen conduct, 20 idolatry, spiritism, hostility, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, dissensions, divisions, sects, 21 envy, drunkenness, wild parties, and things like these. I am forewarning you about these things, the same way I already warned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 22 On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
 

KohenMatt

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Just some boxing on TV.......

Yep, it's as ridiculous and pointless as I thought.
 
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Ambi3333

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Thankyou for all the replies