Calvinism Refuted

[ChosenbyHim]

John 3:15-16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Acts 10:36-45

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all 37 that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Romans 9:33

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33 as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Romans 10:8-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




1 Timothy 2:1-8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.



1 John 5:1

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5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.




2 Peter 3:9

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9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


[HR][/HR]

Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, while only electing and ordaning some to eternal life.

Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect.

God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God chooses to elect those who are in Christ.

No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ is, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ.

And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved???

So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

 

[maxwel]

You didn't seriously just create another thread to debate Calvinism?

I'm sure the Calvinists will all just surrender this time.

: )

 

[cxjonz]

You didn't seriously just create another thread to debate Calvinism?

I'm sure the Calvinists will all just surrender this time.

: )

A Calvinist can't surrender. For the Calvinist judges that it is everyone else who is totally depraved, but he has only judged himself by the measure he has used.

 

[crossnote]

A Calvinist can't surrender. For the Calvinist judges that it is everyone else who is totally depraved, but he has only judged himself by the measure he has used.

not true. to be fair, the Calvinist holds that depravity extends across the board...including himself.

 

[cxjonz]

not true. to be fair, the Calvinist holds that depravity extends across the board...including himself.

Nope. Nope.

 

[Mammachickadee]

not true. to be fair, the Calvinist holds that depravity extends across the board...including himself.

If the whole point of Calvanist-type teaching is that God is supreme and sovereign, why are there so many posts saying it's so horrible. I doesn't say man isn't accountable or that God's a bully. I pragmatically states the obvious... that if God is for you, who can be against you: be it in salvation or simple ministry and daily living. Remind me again how putting the entire focus of time on a sovereign God is wrong?
True, though... many claimed Calvanists become fatalistic... but that's no different from a believer becoming willful and self-focused. There's plenty of room for love in the doctrines that PEOPLE term Calvanism. lol Augustine himself was a Calvanist...

 

[crossnote]

If the whole point of Calvanist-type teaching is that God is supreme and sovereign, why are there so many posts saying it's so horrible. I doesn't say man isn't accountable or that God's a bully. I pragmatically states the obvious... that if God is for you, who can be against you: be it in salvation or simple ministry and daily living. Remind me again how putting the entire focus of time on a sovereign God is wrong?
True, though... many claimed Calvanists become fatalistic... but that's no different from a believer becoming willful and self-focused. There's plenty of room for love in the doctrines that PEOPLE term Calvanism. lol Augustine himself was a Calvanist...

Ya got me. There's lot's about Calvinism I agree and lot's gives me indigestion.

 

[crossnote]

Nope. Nope.

What book is that in?

 

[Mammachickadee]

Ya got me. There's lot's about Calvinism I agree and lot's gives me indigestion.

That's how I feel about the entire Bible given my walk with the Lord. Guilt gives a lot of indigestion... as does disappointment. I challenge that if you can't undeniably refute it you categorize it as "Maybe" rather than "nauseatingly faulty"

 

[Yahshua]

I can almost guarantee that there are a few deceptions wormed into every denomination by the adversary...but to call one denomination out as Satanic is a little unfair.

The fact of the matter is, Christ's body was prophesied to be broken for the salvation of many.

Again, the body of Christ was broken (into many denominations) for the salvation of many. Like with the bread that fed the multitude, every time the body was broken it grew; multiplied. And also in fulfillment of the feeding of that multitude, the bread that was broken & shared was "leavened bread" (not unleavened, pure bread)...but wasn't it more important at the time to *keep people alive* (i.e. to "save" them)?

It's only *after* people are saved (i.e. kept alive) that they are in a position to be purified; to accept the pure bread that would later be offered to them. But the question is, will many accept the pure bread...or will only a few accept it?

John Ch 6.

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Calvinism is but one of a multitude of denominations that have a bit of leaven in their daily bread, but they're no less part of this body that was broken for the salvation of many. There is - however - coming a time when many must choose to accept the pure bread over the leavened bread their bellies are used to eating, in fulfillment of John 6.


2 times Christ fed the multitude...but he did not offer them the same bread a 3rd time.

2 days Christ stayed with the Samaritans (i.e. gentile believers)...but he did not stay with them a 3rd day.

2 thousand years the body of Christ has grown into many denominations...but will those denominations remain during the next millennium?

 

[cxjonz]

If the whole point of Calvanist-type teaching is that God is supreme and sovereign, why are there so many posts saying it's so horrible. I doesn't say man isn't accountable or that God's a bully. I pragmatically states the obvious... that if God is for you, who can be against you: be it in salvation or simple ministry and daily living. Remind me again how putting the entire focus of time on a sovereign God is wrong?
True, though... many claimed Calvanists become fatalistic... but that's no different from a believer becoming willful and self-focused. There's plenty of room for love in the doctrines that PEOPLE term Calvanism. lol Augustine himself was a Calvanist...

Why are the doctrines of little lord Johnny Calvin horrible?
"For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous." Rom. 2:13 NIV To any Calvinist that man's statement is the most reprehensible idea that could has ever been thought of much more that it is has been written in the scriptures. Every Calvinist to be a Calvinist is totally depraved against that apostle's expressed idea of the only Way anyone can be declared righteous by God.

 

[crossnote]

That's how I feel about the entire Bible given my walk with the Lord. Guilt gives a lot of indigestion... as does disappointment. I challenge that if you can't undeniably refute it you categorize it as "Maybe" rather than "nauseatingly faulty"

it's more like, 'she loves me, she loves me not'.

 

[Mammachickadee]

John 3:15-16

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


15 that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.




Acts 10:36-45

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all 37 that word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. 39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. 42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. 45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.



Romans 9:33

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


33 as it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.



Romans 10:8-11

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. 12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.




1 Timothy 2:1-8

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


2 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 for kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.



1 John 5:1

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.




2 Peter 3:9

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


[HR][/HR]

Bottomeline: do not fall for the wicked and satanic system of Calvinism where Calvinists are teaching that God has pre-ordanined some to damnation, while only electing and ordaning some to eternal life.

Anyone can get saved. God chooses to save those who believe. Anyone can become part of the elect.

God's will is that ALL should come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).

God chooses to elect those who are in Christ.

No lost person at the Great White Throne Judgment will be without excuse. Every single damned and lost person will know that they COULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. But that by their own wicked rebellion and refusal to believe on and trust the Lord Jesus Christ is, they will know that it was this decision of theirs that damned them. They will know that they will be cast into the Lake of Fire for all of Eternity because they chose and decided to reject the Lord Jesus Christ.

And the very fact that there is a Judgment also refutes the dumb system of Calvinism. I mean why judge someone if he never had a change to get saved???

So, if you have gotten caught up in the Satanic system of calvinism, simply forsake it, repent and start believing God's word, the Authorized King James Holy Bible.

If you say Calvanism in its entirety is bunko just because it paints salvation as exclusive you have to ignore God's sovereignty and place the entire power unto salvation into the hands of sinners incapable of having the mind of Christ. No bones about it, there is no good thing done by a man apart from what God foreordained for that person to do. Without Christ weare dead in our sin, which means GOD has to make the first move.

 

[cxjonz]

I can almost guarantee that there are a few deceptions wormed into every denomination by the adversary...but to call one denomination out as Satanic is a little unfair.

The fact of the matter is, Christ's body was prophesied to be broken for the salvation of many.

Again, the body of Christ was broken (into many denominations) for the salvation of many. Like with the bread that fed the multitude, every time the body was broken it grew; multiplied. And also in fulfillment of the feeding of that multitude, the bread that was broken & shared was "leavened bread" (not unleavened, pure bread)...but wasn't it more important at the time to *keep people alive* (i.e. to "save" them)?

It's only *after* people are saved (i.e. kept alive) that they are in a position to be purified; to accept the pure bread that would later be offered to them. But the question is, will many accept the pure bread...or will only a few accept it?

John Ch 6.

-----

Calvinism is but one of a multitude of denominations that have a bit of leaven in their daily bread, but they're no less part of this body that was broken for the salvation of many. There is - however - coming a time when many must choose to accept the pure bread over the leavened bread their bellies are used to eating, in fulfillment of John 6.


2 times Christ fed the multitude...but he did not offer them the same bread a 3rd time.

2 days Christ stayed with the Samaritans (i.e. gentile believers)...but he did not stay with them a 3rd day.

2 thousand years the body of Christ has grown into many denominations...but will those denominations remain during the next millennium?

The only reason that there are denominations is because of the wolves who have scattered the flock. There is not a single preacher in any contemporary church's pulpit who is not a wolf.

 

[crossnote]

That's how I feel about the entire Bible given my walk with the Lord. Guilt gives a lot of indigestion... as does disappointment. I challenge that if you can't undeniably refute it you categorize it as "Maybe" rather than "nauseatingly faulty"

Let me try this another way. There are parts I categorically agree with and parts I categorically reject.

 

[faroukfarouk]

If you say Calvanism in its entirety is bunko just because it paints salvation as exclusive you have to ignore God's sovereignty and place the entire power unto salvation into the hands of sinners incapable of having the mind of Christ. No bones about it, there is no good thing done by a man apart from what God foreordained for that person to do. Without Christ weare dead in our sin, which means GOD has to make the first move.

...which is exactly what the opening verses of Ephesians chapter 2 say.

Blessings.

 

[maxwel]

Calvinism is but one of a multitude of denominations that have a bit of leaven [/SIZE]in their daily bread, but they're no less part of this body that was broken for the salvation of many. There is - however - coming a time when many must choose to accept the pure bread over the leavened bread their bellies are used to eating, in fulfillment of John 6.


2 times Christ fed the multitude...but he did not offer them the same bread a 3rd time.

2 days Christ stayed with the Samaritans (i.e. gentile believers)...but he did not stay with them a 3rd day.

2 thousand years the body of Christ has grown into many denominations...but will those denominations remain during the next millennium?

1. Calvinism isn't a denomination.
Calvinism is a theological view which can be held by people in virtually any denomination, and which is usually associated with reformed theology.

2. Although I disagree with Calvinism, there is NOT coming a time when they "must choose" to change ANYTHING!. They believe in salvation by grace through faith... they are saved, and they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. When we all get to heaven, God can straighten out all of our little differences in theology.

 

[cxjonz]

If you say Calvanism in its entirety is bunko just because it paints salvation as exclusive you have to ignore God's sovereignty and place the entire power unto salvation into the hands of sinners incapable of having the mind of Christ. No bones about it, there is no good thing done by a man apart from what God foreordained for that person to do. Without Christ weare dead in our sin, which means GOD has to make the first move.

God has made the first move. He added a law. And it is that law you've got to have the faith to obey or not be declared righteous by God. There are no exceptions regarding that God does not respect persons. The Calvinist, however, insist that he is an exception.

 

[ChosenbyHim]

If you say Calvanism in its entirety is bunko just because it paints salvation as exclusive you have to ignore God's sovereignty and place the entire power unto salvation into the hands of sinners incapable of having the mind of Christ. No bones about it, there is no good thing done by a man apart from what God foreordained for that person to do. Without Christ weare dead in our sin, which means GOD has to make the first move.

Man's free will does not at all negate God's sovereignty and power.

God does not ordain some to believe and others not to believe. God in His foreknowledge; knows already who will believe on Him and those who will not believe on Him.

 

[Yahshua]

The only reason that there are denominations is because of the wolves who have scattered the flock. There is not a single preacher in any contemporary church's pulpit who is not a wolf.

Saying that suggests God isn't fully in control of the situation. Even the beast that goes out to devour are loosed by our Sovereign God himself. There are denominations because God ordained satan to have his day. And eventually those denominations will be purged when God ordains satan to be bound.

Isaiah 56:9-11
All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest. His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.