Calvinism vs. Arminianism: Good article

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I don't think you've connected Gnosticism at all with Calvinism. If you can list the points of connection, I'd appreciate seeing them.
What is the Calvinist position on total depravity? Totally depraved until death, or totally depraved until regeneration by the new birth? From comments made here, some people seem to think that regenerated man is totally depraved. Is that a Calvinist position?
 

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Hi, HeRoseFromTheDead.

Radical corruption, or total depravity put in a nutshell shell means man's inability to do good (that is morally good). He sins because his nature is radically corrupted by the sin nature. That is why the new birth is so essential.

I think you should do a little more 'learned' research on reformed theology before you make any more comments. In other words go and find out what reformed theologians actually say. As for your Gnostic theory of calvinism, I can honestly say that what you are saying is fiction and erroneous.
 
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"Calvinism vs Arminianism"= "isms" =man vs man...Christians should look to God's perfect Word to find all truth not the opinion of man!

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39
 
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Hi, HeRoseFromTheDead.

Radical corruption, or total depravity put in a nutshell shell means man's inability to do good (that is morally good). He sins because his nature is radically corrupted by the sin nature. That is why the new birth is so essential.

I think you should do a little more 'learned' research on reformed theology before you make any more comments. In other words go and find out what reformed theologians actually say. As for your Gnostic theory of calvinism, I can honestly say that what you are saying is fiction and erroneous.
Per the above, does that continue to be man's state after regeneration?
 

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"Calvinism vs Arminianism"= "isms" =man vs man...Christians should look to God's perfect Word to find all truth not the opinion of man!

"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." John 5:39
Don't you see the irony of your post roaringkitten? Your saying you point of view is better. Yet, would you not agree that both Calvinists and arminians are trying to search the scriptures?
 

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Per the above, does that continue to be man's state after regeneration?

Do you understand 'New Birth' as in John 3 - and Pauls wonderful descrition in Eph 2?

Again rather than debating, I think you need to do some learning on the subject first!!!
 
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Do you understand 'New Birth' as in John 3 - and Pauls wonderful descrition in Eph 2?

Again rather than debating, I think you need to do some learning on the subject first!!!
I'm not debating. I am trying to learn the Calvinist position. I asked the question because I haven't been able to extract from reading what that position is on this one point. Does regenerated man remain in a totally depraved state? What is the Calvinist position?
 

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Let us keep track, you have posted against SDA, and now you have added two more.

As I advised in your SDA post, learn just what or who is the Great Whore on seven hills.

The Great Whore is covered with names of blasphemy, her daughters.

Now, understand what whoredom is as taught by the Word throughout.

Having mastered these simple lessons, perhaps the realization that the faith of Abraham, our father historically iw the only faith that is of the Holy Spirit and true.

Now, take those names of blasphemy and see if they are listed in the Word anywhere.

Our Heavenly Father will be calling His children out of that Great Whore so as not to suffer her punishments with her. It stands to reason, sense, that God will call His children out of her daughters also.

In attacking these names of blasphemy one at a time, you are wasting the time of all. Be content with the faith of Abraham as taught by our Savior, Jesus Christ. It is time consuming and wasteful to go through the names one at a time.
 

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Please provide Scriptural evidence that predestination or election has anything to do with the salvation of the soul.
 

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HeRoseFromTheDead

Again what is New Birth? what does Paul say in Eph 2? the once 'dead man' is now alive'
 

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According to Calvin, the saved where chosen before the foundation of the world. Wouldn't this mean that God's wrath was never against you to begin with?
 

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Please provide Scriptural evidence that predestination or election has anything to do with the salvation of the soul.

Are you actually being serious?
 

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According to Calvin, the saved where chosen before the foundation of the world. Wouldn't this mean that God's wrath was never against you to begin with?

According to the bible ;) Calvin would have been using scripture for his point.

Ephesians 1:4

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love,.


Are you saying scripture is wrong somehow?
 
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HeRoseFromTheDead

Again what is New Birth? what does Paul say in Eph 2? the once 'dead man' is now alive'
What does that mean to a Calvinist? Is the alive man totally depraved? Is the body totally depraved?

What is the Calvinist position on total depravity of a regenerated man?

Unless Calvinists really don't understand what they believe, this should be an easy question to answer.
 

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Am I missing something here? Don't send me to a video or website, send me to Scripture.
Yes I think you are.. no need for videos or debates..just read your bible.
 

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Who did God choose in this verse...those in Christ. Don't twist it to say God chose us to be in him. Before the foundation of the world, God chose Christ and those that would be found in Him. Christ is the means. We must get into Christ to be a part of this promise.

According to the bible ;) Calvin would have been using scripture for his point.

Ephesians 1:4

For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love,.


Are you saying scripture is wrong somehow?
 

phil36

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What does that mean to a Calvinist? Is the alive man totally depraved? Is the body totally depraved?

What is the Calvinist position on total depravity of a regenerated man?

Unless Calvinists really don't understand what they believe, this should be an easy question to answer.

I think I have answered it well enough.... John 3; Eph 2; Romans 6;7;8.

Anyhow, I was more worried about you have been posting..esecially this fiction of reformed theology being Gnostic?
 

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Who did God choose in this verse...those in Christ. Don't twist it to say God chose us to be in him. Before the foundation of the world, God chose Christ and those that would be found in Him. Christ is the means. We must get into Christ to be a part of this promise.
Yep, God certainly chose His Son for that special redemptive work that only God could do. He also chose you to be in His Son -did he not?
 
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DeSario doesn't understand the covenant or grace.
Yes, this is what happens when a person doesn't understand or agree with imputed righteousness..the righteousness that they think they need is practical righteousness..actually doing good, instead of receiving the gift of Christ's perfect righteous life. It also forces the person into the sinless perfectionist camp.

At least Calvinists and Arminians (and all evangelicals) both agree with justification by faith alone and imputed righteousness.

With me, I wouldn't want to attend a church that doesn't teach eternal security as well, but election and the other points of Calvinism are not a necessity if I couldn't find some other place that was more in agreement.

Note that I don't hold to antinomianism; the kind of faith that saves produces good works as a fruit of the salvation. But, righteousness is definitely is imputed and forensic in nature and is a gift.